phluxs vs 69rons mesc tekz.

[oneistheall]

If you know what you are doing, both teks can be fairly safe. Even if you use xylene and HCl. Also i am under the impression (threads) that both teks can yield a satisfying amount of mesc.

Imo mixing the cactus-lime-water (69ron) is more practical than obtaining a small volume of clear tea (Phlux-).
But maybe this is different for you.

You have other considerations?

 

[soulfood]

phlux's tek requires less limonene and for me is much less messy and gives cleaner results.

I find it to be more efficent as long as it is performed thoroughly.

 

[Jumper]

Swim has performed the 69ron tek many times, and it does work, if one is careful. With the right type of french press and other utensils, it will go smoothly. I can see how it can get messy, especially with limonene. If done with patience, it can turn out really good. Both teks have their pros and cons.

 

[bluntmuffin]

My plan is to use elements of both, as some chemicals are a bit harder to come by here. Can someone check it please?

1) Pulverize dried or fresh cactus (prep according to phlux). Probably a freeze/thaw in there too.
2) So with my ~100g dry cactus, add 50g (more? less?) of NaOH (in water) to cover the cactus. (I think HDPE is a good container, concentrated lye might be bad for my beakers?)
3) Stir the cactus and lye-water thoroughly.
4) Add 300mL d-Limonene. Shake periodically for 2 hours (or some time anyway)
5) Pipette off all d-Limonene, and place into a beaker.
6) Add 25mL of white vinegar (tek follows rons from here, although I also have HCl, will try both eventually, but will start with acetate), shake for 15 minutes, and pipette water layer from under d-limo layer.
-Repeat steps 5 and 6 twice more.
-Repeat from step 4 twice too.

So essentially using fresh cactus with lye, and then extracting with d-limo and acetic acid (Or HCl or citric, in due time) as per rons tek.

Did I miss anything?

 

[bluntmuffin]

oneistheall: What do you mean do 69rons first? I don't have hydrated lime, so I can't use it - so NaOH is the next option. I know where to find calcium hydroxide, but not pure in quantities under 25kg. But thanks for the tip off with the vinegar. I wouldn't have known.

 

[Virola78]

phlux's tek requires less limonene and for me is much less messy and gives cleaner results.

I find it to be more efficent as long as it is performed thoroughly.

Yea i have noticed you prefer the Phlux- tek. Would indeed be a good idea if you write down how you see them do it.
If you feel like it, and have the time to do this of course..

Wanna do it together? We can do it with the people posting in this thread for example... And of course others would be welcome too, to share their ideas and offer critique. Would be nice experience i think. How about it?

 

[SomeoneWhoIsMe]

69rons tek says to add your CaOH and cactus with water, stir five minutes, then pull with limonene (tho I'm planning on using xylene). Surely you have to wait longer than five minutes for it to basify if it's STB? I usually wait four hours after I add my CaOH to a mimosa brew...And is heat not required for a STB mescaline extraction?

 

[bluntmuffin]

But what is wrong with lye? Is it just the toxicity and corrosivity? Or does it lead to inferior yields? If that's the case, how come Phlux's tek can get great yields using lye?

 

[Infundibulum]

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[SomeoneWhoIsMe]

oneistheall, thanks for the tips. In my trawling of the forums I've seen your questions and comments regarding mescaline extraction come a long way, sounds like you've got a bit of experience under your belt with this...
Well, the cactus came in this morning so I'll get crackalacking. There's so much discrepency over resting times during mescaline extraction, I'll just do what feels/looks right and document my results carefully. Hopin to have a big pile of white crystals to show y'all tomorrow!