Physical Discomfort

[Kotori]

Hey guys. So I'm pretty new to DMT, and I decided to start exploring it with very low dosages. I smoked DMT a few times, my dosage never exceeded 10mg.. and to be honest, I'm kinda scared to do so. The thing is, the experiences that I had with the substance were very heavy on the body. I get tachycardia every time (the idea of taking the substance is pretty stressful, but when I actually take it my heart races like crazy), I was about to puke a few times, one time I had a sharp pain in the middle of my chest (what the hell was that), and I got stomach ache when I took it last night. Notably, all of this side effects disappear after about 2-3 minutes and everything goes smoothly after that, but this 2-3 minutes are a nightmare.
The substance itself is synthetic pure white powder, a lot of people have taken it before, and it seems that I'm the only one with this problems. I had a few experiences with other psychodelics (2C-B, a few different NBOMe's), and I usually get a good amount of side effects, even on low dosages. So is this side effects on DMT anything I have to worry about? Is there any way I can make it less painful? Maybe it would be a good idea to take some tranquilizers to make the experience a little less stressful?

 

[TGO]

Hello, welcome to the forum.

Are you sure what you have is actually DMT? You said it was synthetic, so unless you did the synth yourself, you'll likely have no idea what the substance is, let alone the purity. DMT should never cause acute/sharp chest pains, so that seems like a red flag to me (I'm not a doctor, just speculating, btw) especially if it is properly vaporized.

Elevated heart rate due to pre-flight jitters and the actual substance itself, assuming it is DMT, is normal. Nausea can happen too sometimes.

I would suggest getting a test kit and confirming that the substance is DMT. That or extract some yourself from ACRB or MHRB and see if that works for you. Lastly, some people find the lower doses more uncomfortable than a full breakthrough, almost like you are caught between two worlds, trying to desperately cling to this one while DMT attempts to drag you away from it. Of course, it is different for everyone.

Anyway, these are just some things to think about! Good luck!

 

[jma182]

Hey guys. So I'm pretty new to DMT, and I decided to start exploring it with very low dosages. I smoked DMT a few times, my dosage never exceeded 10mg.. and to be honest, I'm kinda scared to do so. The thing is, the experiences that I had with the substance were very heavy on the body. I get tachycardia every time (the idea of taking the substance is pretty stressful, but when I actually take it my heart races like crazy), I was about to puke a few times, one time I had a sharp pain in the middle of my chest (what the hell was that), and I got stomach ache when I took it last night. Notably, all of this side effects disappear after about 2-3 minutes and everything goes smoothly after that, but this 2-3 minutes are a nightmare.
The substance itself is synthetic pure white powder, a lot of people have taken it before, and it seems that I'm the only one with this problems. I had a few experiences with other psychodelics (2C-B, a few different NBOMe's), and I usually get a good amount of side effects, even on low dosages. So is this side effects on DMT anything I have to worry about? Is there any way I can make it less painful? Maybe it would be a good idea to take some tranquilizers to make the experience a little less stressful?

Well if you're 100% sure that you got DMT, then it could be almost like a shock for your body, i got a friend that gets shivers and sweats from substances, weed, LSD, DMT,he feels bad for a few minutes then he's fine for the rest of the ride, MDMA doesnt hit him that hard but he still gets cold. He feels like its his body going like "WOAH!! WTH is going on, theres something new in the system".

I'm not an expert but i've read everywhere that low doses do not feel nice it can be unpleasant for some.

careful with NBOMEs and similar compounds, only tried it once and never again, its like a lame version of lsd for me, and makes my heart race and gives me several body effects that i did not like, there are better substances that take you to the same place, there's not much data to go on with these research chemicals

stay safe and be careful with your own body!!

 

[Kotori]

I'm 100% sure it's DMT...

MOD EDIT: Removed sourcing talk.

 

[jma182]

I'm 100% sure it's DMT, Now I can't really say about the actual purity of the substance, but nobody complained about side effects.

Remeber to avoid discussing were you sourced your substances, i already had a post deleted cause of that!!

But in any case, I heard accounts of people experencing chest and lung pains, might be an unclean batch or something along those lines, lye can screw u up really bad, i hate lye and those heavy chemichals nowdays u can use safer materials to make food grade dmt.

this is a post were a fellow nexian had some angina like symptoms along with lung pains ended up going to see his doctor, please also note that there's a lot of undetected genetical heart conditions and the strain from the substances might take a toll, im no doctor so its best to go see one, please be safe and hope you get better!!

just giving some ideas cause its odd that it last for that little, it would be wise to be attentive to your body the next few days also.

Chest pain/tightness after use - DMT Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[pitubo]

If you have any doubts about the quality or purity of your dmt, you can send a sample to a testing facility such as energy control, or order a tlc separation kit from bunk police and do your own testing.

Based on your description of using 10 mg doses to test the waters, I estimate that your physical discomfort is entirely the consequence of these low doses of dmt. You can vape 3 mg and feel almost nothing (microdosing) or you can vape 30 mg and be catapulted into orbit in hyperspace (if vaped correctly and efficiently). If you vape only 10, you will get stuck halfway, watching your ego entrenching and mobilizing its defenses to hold on to its illusions of control. The tenseness and palpitations is what I would expect from a halfway dose.

You cannot breakthrough with one toe only, you either dive in headlong or you don't breakthrough. Don't worry, you'll come out again at the other end.

 

[Kotori]

Remeber to avoid discussing were you sourced your substances, i already had a post deleted cause of that!!

Whoops, sorry about that. I didn't make any specifics, and I thought it was pretty common knowledge. Won't make the same mistake twice, sry.

Now I did experienced trouble breathing, but I'm pretty sure it was just psychosomatic, and had nothing to do with actual side effects.

I'm not an expert but i've read everywhere that low doses do not feel nice it can be unpleasant for some.

That reminded me of a few of my NBOMe trips. One time I took around 1.5mg, the trip itself was crazy, but the physical side effects were close to nothing, except that maybe comedown was a little rough. And the other time I took half of this dosage (same batch). Trip was mild and pleasant, but the side effects were alot more disturbing.

2pitubo
I wasn't aiming for breaktrough right away. I mean, I'd like to someday, but I don't think I'm ready for such intense exp just yet.
And taking 30mg when I'm having pains and stuff at just 10mg is just downright scary.

 

[pitubo]

I wasn't aiming for breaktrough right away. I mean, I'd like to someday, but I don't think I'm ready for such intense exp just yet.

Your ego defenses will never be ready, I guess. They will forever try to postpone their destruction and keep you distracted with fantasies of "some day..."

And taking 30mg when I'm having pains and stuff at just 10mg is just downright scary.

When taking the plunge, there will be no physical discomfort like with the 10 mg. Trust me.

You'll be too overwhelmed with the experience to be bothered, even if there were any discomfort. Nobody here complains about physical discomfort in hyperspace, only those who do not reach it complain.

 

[jma182]

Remeber to avoid discussing were you sourced your substances, i already had a post deleted cause of that!!

Whoops, sorry about that. I didn't make any specifics, and I thought it was pretty common knowledge. Won't make the same mistake twice, sry.

Now I did experienced trouble breathing, but I'm pretty sure it was just psychosomatic, and had nothing to do with actual side effects.

I'm not an expert but i've read everywhere that low doses do not feel nice it can be unpleasant for some.

That reminded me of a few of my NBOMe trips. One time I took around 1.5mg, the trip itself was crazy, but the physical side effects were close to nothing, except that maybe comedown was a little rough. And the other time I took half of this dosage (same batch). Trip was mild and pleasant, but the side effects were alot more disturbing.

2pitubo
I wasn't aiming for breaktrough right away. I mean, I'd like to someday, but I don't think I'm ready for such intense exp just yet.
And taking 30mg when I'm having pains and stuff at just 10mg is just downright scary.

no apology needed :d i agree it might be common knowledge but still it got my intro essay pulled XD

yeah NBOMES are rough on the body, personally not my cup of tea id rather go with good old LSD, but every single organism reacts different to these substances, my bud didnt even feel the nbome lol.

but considering all you've shared with us, I think low dosing might be part of the problem, never tried low doses like that myself, so i dunno how I would feel on them, but i agree it's better to work on parameters in wich you feel comfortable and then start climbing up, personally i feel very comfortable smoking 25 mg, my body feels really nice i feel it vibrate a lot and my best experience was with a 50 mg dose and it felt even better than with 25mg.

Also I asked around and none of my friends have ever experienced anything phisycal like this while experimenting with DMT.

 

[Jees]

Kotori, was the smoke itself harsh to inhale? It should be not harsh at all, if it does then you're burning the spice instead of vaporizing it. Burned spice smoke is very harsh and there are no benefits at all, just terrible effects. You cannot smoke it like tobacco or weed.
What was the smoking device?

 

[Kotori]

Your ego defenses will never be ready, I guess. They will forever try to postpone their destruction and keep you distracted with fantasies of "some day..."

My fears are not coming out of thin air. My very first psychodelic trip was a disaster, I barely knew anything about it's effects back in the day, overdosed a little and the exp was shocking to say the least. I love psychodelics since that day, but I'm also scared to death of them.

But I think you guys got me convinced, I'll try to increase the dosage next time I'll try it.

@Jess
I'm smoking it through GVG and I don't feel smoke whatsoever tbh. Sometimes I even wonder if I actually inhaled anything.. that is, until I exhale.

 

[○]

The dmt experience can produce a massive variety of feelings and sensations. And those things can sometimes predominate those lower dosage sub-breakthrough experiences, at least ime. If it is indeed dmt, then the experiences can definitely present that.

Once you get over that initial rise and buildup of the experience in those lower levels and burst into the other side, most, if not all those feelings and sensations of physical discomfort will cease, at least to the degree at which they present themselves in the lower dosage realms.

 

[Kotori]

OK. A little bump to this thread.
It took me a while (didn't really had a wish to do dmt tbh), but I actually tried around 15mg this time. Unfortunately, it was even worse. There are two side effects which really got me worried. They appear in every single trip and increasing in it's intensity proportionally with dosage.

1 - It is a strange feeling after I exhale. It's like an elephant has stepped on my chest. Feels like my heart are about to give out and it was almost impossible to breathe this time. It also comes with overall numbness around the body, but it concentrates mainly in the chest. This is what scares me the most, anyone feeling the same thing?

2 - It's a bloody nausea. This time it was very intense. I was trying to puke for around two minutes, but thankfully I didn't(it was early morning, didn't really eat anything). It gets more intense with the increase of the dosage, and I'm simply afraid to lose consciousness and choke on it.

Well guys, any ideas?

 

[Ulim]

Well you cant expect DMT to be free of any body effects.

When I first begun taking it I never had any trouble before taking it.

Now its that I get shivers and my heart starts pounding. No idea where this came from. Also it triggered from my thought of taking DMT. As soon as my vaporizer is loaded I can feel my heart pumping.

The "elephant" stepping on your chest also is something that happends to me.
DMt is the opposite of salvia in this regard. During salvia your body feels extremly light.
During DMT you feel like your are up to your head in some kind of mud that makes it hard to move and kind of "fixes" you in the spot where it started to hit. Usually you can overcome this if it gets to strong by simply moving. It only feels like you cant move when you actually can.

Did the nausea come from the DMT itself or from you looking at the world turning all wobbly? Where are you taking it. Try to smoke it while sitting down in front of a table in a rather dark room with dim colored light (So you see less of wobbly wobbly) And then as soon as you finish the smoking put your head on the tabe with your arms acting as a pillow.

 

[Diazin]

What you are describing seems much like an anxiety crisis, well, an accute one. I used to feel the same with weed for some time, I was having alot of bad trips and would feel very anxious just by thinking of smoking it.

If that is also the case with you, you'll have to work that around if you want to work with this substance. Trying a full breakthrough can be helpful since you will be dissolved into the experience, but then you'll have to raise your dosage to 30-40mg, depending on how skilled you are at vaping. Also, have a sitter, just in case shit happens, you'll most likely feel terribly anxious before breakingthrough anyway.

 

[Asher7]

Edit** n/m, already suggested and I missed it.

 

[Reincarnated]

From my experience the apprehension before launch plays a large part. Most probably more so at smaller doses.

You have to want to travel and truly let go of ego to avoid being stuck between the two.
Spice is awesomely powerful but so is your own mind.

I am not as experienced with spice as many here,having only a handfull of experiences some very strong and others not so but after a couple of launches i still didn't know the true power (thought i did)... but when it comes it comes strong taking you away with it... and if you are trying to hold on, then the experience can become very uncomfortable.
I always collect and centre myself before any experience. I feel you must enter with no fear.
You must do what feels right for you...

 

[Kotori]

Turns out, I have a heart condition. Something called mitral valve prolapse. Guess this may have been the reason behind heaviness on the chest and maybe nausea. Anyone here a doctor or have the same condition? Any chance using DMT further with such condition maybe dangerous in any way? And I know this is a DMT forum, but I'm also curious about threats of using phenylethylamines and other drugs with this disease.

 

[syberdelic]

I'm sorry to tell you this, but until you get actual medical advice, taking DMT with a heart condition may be life threatening. When I dive in, my heart rate always goes up and by the time I start feeling effects, it ticks up around 120-150.

Also, DMT is a 5-HT3 agonist. (5-HT3 = serotonin receptors in the gut that when triggered cause nausea and/or vomiting) Different people have very different reactions it seems. I only get the 5-HT3 response when ingesting orally. I never get any sort of nausea from vaporizing. But it is not uncommon for people to empty their stomach when significant effects are felt from any ROA.

It could be that the tachycardia with your heart condition is a real threat and your body is freaking out with an amplified 5-HT3 response. I was getting something like this from Ayahuasca while having kidney stones and ulcers. Until you get some real medical advice, I would leave the DMT alone.

 

[Kotori]

Heaviness on the chest is completely gone now, nausea level was getting bearable too. That is, until about 30 mins ago. I did a few 15mg and 20mg trip by that time, everything was fine. This time, I decided to try 25mg, and a new method. I pre-heated GVG, loaded the substance, exhaled, and then veeery slowly inhaled vapour, until I could actually feel my lungs being full of it. I started to count. Usually I count until 15, exhale, and after about 2-3 secs effects begin to manifest. This time, however, I started to feel them at 8 seconds, while I was counting. And then, suddenly, counting was not a problem anymore. I usually do about 3-4 hits, but this time I forgot what the hell GVG even was, and how to smoke it. The room completely transformed, visuals became insane, I never seen anything like that before.

I felt like I was about to die. I could not think, like, thinking process was completely blocked. I was trying to vomit my guts out, but it didn't happen. There were a distinct pain in my stomach, that still persists, 50 mins after the beginning of a trip. Just what the hell is that? Is there anything that I can do about the nausea? Maybe some medicine can help? It really hard to concentrate on a trip, when I'm trying to puke for a good half of it.

Edit: I think I also had a strong tremor, but it's very hard to remember anything right now.