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Physical effects of too much dmt?

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I was wondering about the physical effects of too much oral dmt. More concerned about oral because it lasts so much longer than smoked. Any studies or knowledge on what happens to a person physically if they take too much dmt?

I heard that if you take too much, you develop some kind of alergic reaction or something? Something to do with too much serotonin the system? And this causes a swelling of air ways and a lot of mucous production or something. Can someone clarify this, or what really happens? Also, what's the remedy if this does happen?

Also, I've heard no one's ever died from taking too much dmt. Well what if someone did like a gram or two of it? What would happen to them physically?

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NOTE: THE WORDING OF THIS POST HAS BEEN EDITED BY THE POSTER IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT ANYMORE APPEAR TO REFLECT HIS ORIGINAL INTENTIONS
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What is your motivation for doing this, out of curiousity?

I overdid it once, and I experienced near complete ego dissolution. ..... unable to recall much of the experience, other than that I forgot I existed for several minutes.
 
Are you being serious?

You sound like you're taking the piss.

Why would you plan to take a "monumental dose"?

Why would you trust the expertise of unknowns on an internet forum to supply you with definitive safety advice on a drug whose effects on the human body are poorly known, especially in the event of (in your case deliberate) overdose.

Grow up. Wake up.
 
fnog9 said:
Hello! I am planning on taking a monumental oral dose of white spice. Other than possibly passing out and barfing, what are some other risks of taking too much?

I heard that if you take too much, you develop some kind of alergic reaction or something? Something to do with too much serotonin the system? And this causes a swelling of air ways and a lot of mucous production or something. Can someone clarify this, or what really happens? Also, what's the remedy if this does happen?

Also, I've heard no one's ever died from taking too much dmt. Well what if someone did like a gram or two of it? What would happen to them physically?
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Oral doses of 1-2 grams of dmt are uncharted area. You could even die. People do not usually take at this range, so be very careful.

Better is to start low and increase the dosage progressively. SWIM would suggest taking 100mg to test the waters. 100mg (as the freebase) is already too much for some people or too little for others. But it is a physically safe dosage.
 
What is happening lately with with all those people who want to use a monumental or heroic (yuck) dose? Did you ever slowly tried to increase the dosage? Believe me, when you take too high a dose two things can happen: or you get a horror journey or you just black out and cannot recall much of it.

I can understand that when you slowly increase the dosage that you finally reach your monumental/heroic dose so you know your limit. But without those intermediate dosages how can you know that those dosages aren't your sweet spot?

If you want to increase the oral dosage then I want to advice you to use DMT-fumarate. DMT-fumarate is absorbed much faster in your body as compared to freebase, this way you will get a much less stretched increase of DMT in your bloodstream and your peak will be reached faster. For me an oral dose of 100mg freebase was my sweet spot, when I took 100mg DMT-fumarate it was way too much!

So I state it again: slowly increase your dosage to find your sweet spot, if you grow into a grandpa within a second you miss all the childhood/teenager/adult parts of your life and that would be a big shame.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
fnog9 said:
Well what if someone did like a gram or two of it? What would happen to them physically?
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wow:? :? , please dont be taking so much, that would not be good for your health.
 
to the OP: whats the largest dose you've taken orally? and indeed, you should take a good look at yourself and question your motivations for this.

Even considering taking a gram or two seems VERY irresponsible, specially not raising the dosage gradually over subsequent sessions! I would strongly recommend against it! If you wanna have a high dose, as people said, gradually go up from, say, 100mg, with 50 or 100mg increases at most! Chances are you'll get a hyperspacial ass kick way before you reach a gram.
 
As a result of a scale error and then the worry that I had underdosed, I had a pharmahuasca experience that included somewhere around 425mg of dmt. You can read about it here. This was a beautiful experience that thoroughly kicked my ass. I'm still unpacking things from this experience, and at this point it's been close to 6 months since the journey. I really don't get what you're looking for with a gram or two or even a "monumental" dose, do you? If you come at the molecule with that kind of challenge/intentions, it WILL kick your ass, make no mistake about it. Others have already commented on better doses to try out with oral dmt and I must say they arequite right, imo, to suggest the doses the have.

I would ask you to stop and think about this. Maybe ask yourself why you are doing this. Are your intentions pure? Have you taken oral dmt before? Are you prepared to potentially forget that you have any other way of experiencing reality? There are a host of issues that you should consider beyond "will this dose kill me", that just doesn't seem like a very healthy way to approach these substances. Is there something in your life that has made you feel compelled to take such a high dose? I would humbly ask you to consider set and setting, and if there's anything you need to talk out please feel free to do so, we are here to help and support you. This does not sound like a wise or safe endeavor you plan on undertaking; seriously, if there's anything we can do, please let us know, we are here for you.

peace
SB
 
What an awful idea. What a waste of spice. Just enjoy the spice, without burning your ego out of your brain smartypants. No reason to go so far into hyperspace that you dont remember anything, then why did you do it in the first place?

This is suppose to be a molecule that allows you to REFLECT on what you just saw, and bask in the glory of it, not OD for kicks.

-gir.
 
Listen to these guys and heed their advice. Read some overdose trip reports. Here's mine. (Skip the first trip and go to #4 if you just want to read the ass-kickin...) Really through (sic!) me for a loop and "kicked my ass", and it was only 80-120mg. (edit - which is 2-3 times what i had taken to that point. The error was from eyballing the spice, which had crushed down in tin foil in a book after a previous eyeballing of 40mg...)

If you had spiced up before, you'd know this. I hope you're not trolling, cause posts like this could give other impressionable minds some VERY bad ideas. I am assuming you're not, so I repeat what others have written and VERY VERY strongly advise you against heavy uncharted doses. Like the Traveler said, work your way up. Pay your dues. Check the depth of the water before you dive in head first.

It's only prudent.
This is serious stuff.

'Nuff said.

good luck and be safe, cautious and respectful,

JBArk
 
also notice that, if something bad happens (you freak out, go hospital, news find out, etc), it can endanger not only you but us all too! so do reconsider this. I promiss you, if you raise slowly you're gonna find your dosage and get the ass whooping you want without needing to be so reckless and putting yourself and us all in danger.
 
A good thing about working with psychedelics is that they're relatively safe physically... the LD50's are through the roof, but there are lines and limits to what we can do safely and practically. Taking amounts like that aint gonnae do anyone any favours man.

Stay safe bro
peace!
 
I'm pretty sure that this was a hypothetical question, not what they are planning to do.

That being said:
Probably a lot of really intense and scary-intense experiences that would likely be very hard to recall. Maybe something different happens after the super-strong doses into the ultra-intense doses.
Wouldn't want to test that theory myself.

edit: sorry misread the post, this seems to be happening a lot lately.... I knew that I had poor reading comprehension, but this is getting odd, almost like reading-hallucinations...
 
polytrip - thanks a lot, now I am thinking of giving up all this spice nonsense and taking up the adventure filled risk taking lifestyle choice of chartered accountancy!! And I blame you! And John Cleese, of course. 😉

JBArk
 
Are you are talking about dmt & a maoi? Otherwise 1 g orally may be not that much.

A very hard-headed friend has taken 210 mg of white spice on top of ~400 mg of rue extract. While peaking in 2 hours he begged his sitter to kill him out of mercy.

I believe nothing useful could be learned from such a massive OD as 1-2 g. Also bear in mind that oral spice is very unpredictable because its efficiency depends on the current condition and pecularities of your digestive system. Even if you increase your dose gradually, do so by relatively small increments (~30%). Because if you go by 50% and one dosage does not work for some reason, next time you will be takin twice as much and that may be way too much.

Keep safe. Do not go for the Darwing Award.
 
q21q21 said:
I'm pretty sure that this was a hypothetical question, not what they are planning to do.

That being said:
Probably a lot of really intense and scary-intense experiences that would likely be very hard to recall. Maybe something different happens after the super-strong doses into the ultra-intense doses.
Wouldn't want to test that theory myself.
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q21, please explain why you think this is merely a hypothetical question given the OP:
fnog9 said:
Hello! I am planning on taking a monumental oral dose of white spice. Other than possibly passing out and barfing, what are some other risks of taking too much?
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This part clearly states an intention to take a "monumental" dose and the evidence this is NOT a hypothetical is bolstered by his concern of the potential risks.

fnog9 said:
I heard that if you take too much, you develop some kind of alergic reaction or something? Something to do with too much serotonin the system? And this causes a swelling of air ways and a lot of mucous production or something. Can someone clarify this, or what really happens? Also, what's the remedy if this does happen?
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More concern with potential risks of dosing very high followed by a request for information on what to do if such risks are encountered, could be hypothetical, but given the first part, it seems more of a request for real information by someone who may encounter these suspected risks that may be associated with dosing so high.

fnog9 said:
Also, I've heard no one's ever died from taking too much dmt. Well what if someone did like a gram or two of it? What would happen to them physically?
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This could be hypothetical and is much more likely to be so than the initial parts of this post, however given the first two parts, the hypothetical nature of this section is pretty much irrelevant as fnog9 has already indicated a clear intent to take a ridiculously high dose. If it is hypothetical, he can take a ridiculously high dose without a gram or two and should be warned. If it's not hypothetical and this is the range of the "monumental" dose previously mentioned, it most definitely needs addressing.

q21q21, you consistently display, imo, a blatant disregard for many safety protocols and I find this troubling. I am not attacking you, merely calling something I have noticed into question. Why do you tend to air on the side of recklessness? This post presents a situation that could possibly harm both fnog9 and potentially the community, yet you basically say, "Don't worry about it, it's just hypothetical, nothing bad will happen" and if you are right, then sure, nothing will happen. But if you are wrong, very bad things could happen. If, however, you approach it as though it is a real issue and it is purely hypothetical, no one is harmed and if it is not hypothetical, you may be able to prevent harm.

I would ask publicly, right here and right now, that you stop handing out potentially unsafe advice, it's beginning to seriously worry me.

peace
SB
 
You wouldn't enjoy it and you wouldn't remember it. The mind is a powerful tool and frequently filters sensory information that is unessecary. In the cases of potent psychedelics the input may be too strenuous for it to comprehend and so I theorize your brain blacks it out so that you dont have to walk around for the rest of your life with those images floating around in the back of your mind.

With that kind of dose I would imagine the chemical would overpower you brain's natural function and you would be considered schizophrenic by most observes for quite some time (months?).

Theroy of course. Regardless, I would never get close to that dose until the day I lay dying and my brain opens up the flood gates. Possible side affects you say? Shitting violently all over the floor. :?
 
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