Please qualify my first time experience.

[ogcricket]

Hello, greetings and thanks for reading.

Where to begin. Well, I'll describe the experience as they go hand in hand for those interested then pose the question.

I decided to try some white DMT in a dry herb vape that is also made for concentrates (a POTV One if anyone is interested, I posted about it's effectiveness in the vape guide).

First time, decided to be wise and tried ~15mg perhaps.

I let the crystals melt onto the concentrate pad at 350F, closed the vape and took 2 hits with 10 second holds.

By the time I released the 2nd pull:
1) body load was wonderful and intense, I moved from a chair to the floor
2) my visuals were the equivalent of 4G of mushrooms
3) my shadow began to take on an interesting presence
4) my vision in totality began to take on a frame of reference

it was all over in 2 min.

based on the way my vision felt like it was on the edge of "breaking away" (#3 above) so to speak, it seems like a 3rd pull would have gotten me very close to breakthrough.

But hold on, 2 hits at 15mg accomplished this? That has me curious. Please advise, I've considered the following:
1) Low Tolerance. No pride here, happy to be a cheap date with this beautiful substance.
2) my scale is supposedly accurate to mg, but I've always known that below 20mg is sketchy but it will "reliably" read 20mg or so. I measured 3 times, I believe it was 15mg but you get the idea. I do not have any notion that it was 20mg+, it was below 20mg but could be 15-18mg for sure.
3) I got lucky with a combo of a good technique and a very efficient device.

It could simply be a combination of all 3 but I would love some feedback if this was typical of 2 good vaped hits (not combusted at all) at 15mg or so.
What an amazing substance.

 

[Transform]

When vaped efficiently you will indeed get noticeable effects from surprisingly small amounts of DMT.

It does sound like you've a fair amount of headroom before you reach breakthrough levels - although things could get "interesting" for you but a little above 20 mg…
Sensitivity can be something of a money-saver at the very least - there's no shame in being a 'lightweight' here. Happy travels!

 

[ogcricket]

When vaped efficiently you will indeed get noticeable effects from surprisingly small amounts of DMT.

It does sound like you've a fair amount of headroom before you reach breakthrough levels - although things could get "interesting" for you but a little above 20 mg…
Sensitivity can be something of a money-saver at the very least - there's no shame in being a 'lightweight' here. Happy travels!

Thank you, after reading so many reports elsewhere regarding dosage I was pleasantly surprised. What an astonishing compound.

 

[Transform]

Thank you, after reading so many reports elsewhere regarding dosage I was pleasantly surprised. What an astonishing compound.

There's still possibly the influence of old data, so to speak, where 30 - 50 mg was considered a usual breakthrough dose. Since more effective means of administration have been developed (and maybe because people have learned how to work with the molecule) doses of just over half that amount have proven to be effective.

Given the popularity that DMT appears to have gained, we can only hope as many as possible of its users focus on efficiency of dosage.

 

[FlagellaStink]

Dosage can be a pretty unreliable means of assessing what type of experience you'll have (very important to pay attention to though). Some are more sensitive while others much less, and even the headspace you're in at that time can change how deep into the trip you'll be taken. Everyone is unique. It's good to start low though, so you can know how your body interacts with it and go from there.

Obviously device used and the burning technique can lead to a person inhaling less than they put in as well, but it sounds like you got all 15 mg out of that experience!

 

[ogcricket]

There's still possibly the influence of old data, so to speak, where 30 - 50 mg was considered a usual breakthrough dose. Since more effective means of administration have been developed (and maybe because people have learned how to work with the molecule) doses of just over half that amount have proven to be effective.

Given the popularity that DMT appears to have gained, we can only hope as many as possible of its users focus on efficiency of dosage.

For my part I don’t smoke at all, I started vaporizing my cannabis flower 15yrs ago so I had good options on hand; I think that really makes a difference in efficiency. The recommended 10-15mg in the vaping guide is good advice for a test in that case. I don’t follow the circles where it took off recently but I’m thankful that it is legal where I live.

It's good to start low though, so you can know how your body interacts with it and go from there.

Obviously device used and the burning technique can lead to a person inhaling less than they put in as well, but it sounds like you got all 15 mg out of that experience!

Oh yes lol I’ll just say that it is RIGHT up my alley. Presses all the right buttons so far. Slept like a babe last night and I always get a great afterglow from tryptamines so today was nice.. Really looking forward to more experiences when the time is right.

 

[Exitwound]

You are quite there by the looks of it. Efficiently vaped 15-17mg used to be a pleasant recreational trip for me. You can combine it with good music and friendly atmosphere and enjoy
I have friends who never dared to go past 15-20mg and my scale is reliable.
I advise to use better reliable scale.

 

[pantostao]

I've never used more than 20mg in the e-mesh. If the ROA is efficient, this is a pretty strong trip, maybe not a breakthrough, but a pretty strong trip nevertheless. There is a lot to explore in those doses.

Lately, I've been enjoying the 10mg realm more frequently than deeper areas of hyperspace. There is a lot to explore in there too.

So, as everybody said before me, your ROA does seem pretty efficient, and your experience does seem to match the dose. The 2 minutes lenght is on the (very) short side, but there are a lot of factors that play into that. I've had 3 - 15 minutes experiences on the same(ish) dose, but trips do lenghthen a bit with higher doses.

 

[ogcricket]

So, as everybody said before me, your ROA does seem pretty efficient, and your experience does seem to match the dose. The 2 minutes lenght is on the (very) short side, but there are a lot of factors that play into that. I've had 3 - 15 minutes experiences on the same(ish) dose, but trips do lenghthen a bit with higher doses.

I’d say the whole experience was 15min or so but I was past anything resembling a peak in 2min.

I hope my language makes it clear that I respect and cherish this substance.

I’ll continue to naturally progress towards breakthrough. I’ve been humbled by ego death with other tryptamines on several occasions. I’ve also met entities and machine elves within the salvia realm. Regarding that I can vividly recall the infinite unzipping on salvia as you leave your body which has been described as more uncomfortable than a dmt breakthrough. Is that subjectively accurate though?

 

[Exitwound]

I’d say the whole experience was 15min or so but I was past anything resembling a peak in 2min.

I hope my language makes it clear that I respect and cherish this substance.

I’ll continue to naturally progress towards breakthrough. I’ve been humbled by ego death with other tryptamines on several occasions. I’ve also met entities and machine elves within the salvia realm. Regarding that I can vividly recall the infinite unzipping on salvia as you leave your body which has been described as more uncomfortable than a dmt breakthrough. Is that subjectively accurate though?

It varies greatly, the definition and description of breakthrough, I'd say do not chase it but rather work with different levels, increase if you feel like it and enjoy every level.
I myself, would gladly return to "felling loved and flying through unimaginable spaces while everything is dancing to music" levels, rather than dancing with lord Shiva.
I think most of users tend to not chase BT that very often after actually achieving some experience with that.
There is no ultimate truth by definition in BT levels, some BTs will leave you with 0 memory, except maybe "wtf" feeling
You can see this from variety of experience reports. Some find God, some darker side of it, some - aliens and some remain atheists

 

[ogcricket]

It varies greatly, the definition and description of breakthrough, I'd say do not chase it but rather work with different levels, increase if you feel like it and enjoy every level.
I myself, would gladly return to "felling loved and flying through unimaginable spaces while everything is dancing to music" levels, rather than dancing with lord Shiva.
I think most of users tend to not chase BT that very often after actually achieving some experience with that.
There is no ultimate truth by definition in BT levels, some BTs will leave you with 0 memory, except maybe "wtf" feeling
You can see this from variety of experience reports. Some find God, some darker side of it, some - aliens and some remain atheists

Thank you, this speaks to me and I can tell a lot of us are aligned in our thoughts and respect for this journey.
For my part I'll never forget Shiva, when I met her she was kind and benevolent. However, I do not feel the need or see the value in returning to that place for me.
I like how naturally regulating this seems to be, I think with all of the Pihkals/Tihkals self evaluation and timing is key. In other words, do it the right time, not just because it's possible.

I advise to use better reliable scale.

I have one of the highly rated amazon ones **sigh**
But as noted I do not like it's performance sub 20mg.
If there was a reasonable option available I would be very appreciative. Feel free to DM if links are not allowed, etc.

 

[fractals4life]

Have you tried avoiding the tare, preloading with a few grams (like a small coin plus the weighing boat), then add your crystals until the weight given is 10mg (or whatever dose you want) more than it was reading with the preload? That can often put the scales into a more stable, linear, part of the response curve and give much better accuracy.

I'm not entirely sure why tare seems to be considered a bad idea, but I've seen that mentioned in several places. I guess some scales use an analogue method of zeroing rather than just doing maths before it hits the display?

 

[ogcricket]

Have you tried avoiding the tare, preloading with a few grams (like a small coin plus the weighing boat), then add your crystals until the weight given is 10mg (or whatever dose you want) more than it was reading with the preload? That can often put the scales into a more stable, linear, part of the response curve and give much better accuracy.

I'm not entirely sure why tare seems to be considered a bad idea, but I've seen that mentioned in several places. I guess some scales use an analogue method of zeroing rather than just doing maths before it hits the display?

Yes, thank you for the suggestion; the community reports on this one recommend the same, it's not surprising really considering a strong air current can register mgs if not careful. I'll double check on what's recommended the most for this model.

 

[pantostao]

Regarding that I can vividly recall the infinite unzipping on salvia as you leave your body which has been described as more uncomfortable than a dmt breakthrough. Is that subjectively accurate though?

I'd say the salvia breakthrough was way more uncomfortable than DMT. But when I had my first Salvia breakthrough I was 18 years old, very naive, and I was in a pretty bad setting, so who knows? My DMT trips were always better than that, but I had 10 years of experience since first trying Salvia, and I had learned to respect the set and setting.

Regarding the scale, I've (probably) had the same scale, and I'd follow fractals4life recommendation. If the scale has a range of, let's say, 50g, the most precise readings are on the mid part of that range, so, around 20-30g. Load something that's around that weight, and then measure your spice, it will be pretty precise.

And avoid air currents