^and it looks identical to the vine I have! Problem solved.
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Poorly understood family of AYAHUASCA vines
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Here are some vines I got from wss today.
The first is their Peruvian black caapi.
The second is their Peruvian red caapi.
The black caapi looks a lot like the A. anisopetala Snozz just posted. I haven't tried either out yet so I can't vouch for potency. I just know that the red vine is considerably harder and denser than the black caapi.
The first is their Peruvian black caapi.
The second is their Peruvian red caapi.
The black caapi looks a lot like the A. anisopetala Snozz just posted. I haven't tried either out yet so I can't vouch for potency. I just know that the red vine is considerably harder and denser than the black caapi.
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Im attaching the pictures of what just arrived from the peruvian vendor.. In order, with name as sold:
Grey ayahuasca - Tetrapteris methystica
Black ayahuasca - Alicia anisopetala
Red ayahuasca - Banisteriopsis muricata
Yellow - Banisteriopsis caapi.
They will all be tested and results shared in the next weeks
Grey ayahuasca - Tetrapteris methystica
Black ayahuasca - Alicia anisopetala
Red ayahuasca - Banisteriopsis muricata
Yellow - Banisteriopsis caapi.
They will all be tested and results shared in the next weeks
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Thanks for the photos endless, this clears up some apparent confusion on my end, I had the alecia (black ayahuasca), and b. muricata (red) confused one for the other.
So jamies is indeed the anisopetala. All good to know!
Cant wait to see the results of the grey ayahuasca and get some myself.
Cheers guys, time to start sampling vines!
So jamies is indeed the anisopetala. All good to know!
Cant wait to see the results of the grey ayahuasca and get some myself.
Cheers guys, time to start sampling vines!
Funny though that my black ayahuasca (alicia a..) did not have that color to it, its this typical brown-reddish from caapi...
Also, one thing to note, the cross section of melodic's red ayahuasca seems very different than what we are getting with kiwi...
Lastly, does anybody have any picture of the yellow ayahuasca from kiwi? The red and the yellow seem awefully similar to me, im wondering if Ill see the difference when brewing, with the brew color, or what..
Also, one thing to note, the cross section of melodic's red ayahuasca seems very different than what we are getting with kiwi...
Lastly, does anybody have any picture of the yellow ayahuasca from kiwi? The red and the yellow seem awefully similar to me, im wondering if Ill see the difference when brewing, with the brew color, or what..
I'll post pics of the yellow when I get home.
I have no red, so will refrain from comment for the time being, although by jamie's account, it should be blood red when brewed compared to caapi.
Finally, the brilliant gold color of the alicia, ime, is only in the middle runs of THP. It starts pale yellow and finishes pale yellow and reduces to the muddy yellow/brown. I would therefore assume that when brewed "traditionally" it would only be yellow during the initial stages of brewing and prior to reduction, perhaps jamie can verify?
I have no red, so will refrain from comment for the time being, although by jamie's account, it should be blood red when brewed compared to caapi.
Finally, the brilliant gold color of the alicia, ime, is only in the middle runs of THP. It starts pale yellow and finishes pale yellow and reduces to the muddy yellow/brown. I would therefore assume that when brewed "traditionally" it would only be yellow during the initial stages of brewing and prior to reduction, perhaps jamie can verify?
The yellow is caapi right? So it should make a normal colored caapi brew..the red will be blood red endless..it will be obvious when you start brewing it.
The alicia will start out yellow and then get darker. From the pictures it is obvious that you, me and snozz all have this same "black" alicia vine..for me it starts out yellow and then gets darker.more like yellowish black brown when finished..and the smell is distinct from caapi. This vine also seems to weigh less than caapi because it is less dense.
The alicia will start out yellow and then get darker. From the pictures it is obvious that you, me and snozz all have this same "black" alicia vine..for me it starts out yellow and then gets darker.more like yellowish black brown when finished..and the smell is distinct from caapi. This vine also seems to weigh less than caapi because it is less dense.
The yellow that comes from kiwi is very good standard b. cappi, and most yellow or cielo cappi looks like this.
The following is information a new member to the nexus, marypoppins, pmed me because he/she did not have privilages to post it here.
quote from marypoppins:
I am assuming that marypoppins meant 50 and 25 grams of material instead of milligrams,
Thank you marypoppins!
Im sampling some vines this weekend, i hope to report back something interesting!
The following is information a new member to the nexus, marypoppins, pmed me because he/she did not have privilages to post it here.
quote from marypoppins:
I am assuming that marypoppins meant 50 and 25 grams of material instead of milligrams,
Thank you marypoppins!
Im sampling some vines this weekend, i hope to report back something interesting!
End i really look forward to seeing the results of your tests!
About melodics red cappi. Yeah that definetly looks really different! Did he mention if it was supposed to be b. muricata red, or if it was purchased from a vendor with the label "red ayahuasca". Not all reds blacks and yellows will look like other reds blacks and yellows, thats part of the confusion is this is not an effective naming system.
Is there a way to more specifically classify these vines?
Remember the kinds we are discussing so far is not comprehensive of the full spectrum of the vines available. Theres probably many many varieties. Some probably appear different, but contain similair levels of alks, and some probably contain different alks then the others altogether.
Really looking forward to the test results and more bioassays,
I still want to make this chart as well with pictures and info, once we make some solid conclusions it will be good to have a go to guide to come out of it.
Cheers everyone thanks~
About melodics red cappi. Yeah that definetly looks really different! Did he mention if it was supposed to be b. muricata red, or if it was purchased from a vendor with the label "red ayahuasca". Not all reds blacks and yellows will look like other reds blacks and yellows, thats part of the confusion is this is not an effective naming system.
Is there a way to more specifically classify these vines?
Remember the kinds we are discussing so far is not comprehensive of the full spectrum of the vines available. Theres probably many many varieties. Some probably appear different, but contain similair levels of alks, and some probably contain different alks then the others altogether.
Really looking forward to the test results and more bioassays,
I still want to make this chart as well with pictures and info, once we make some solid conclusions it will be good to have a go to guide to come out of it.
Cheers everyone thanks~
Both of the vines I got were from Wor1d S33d Supply's ebay page and were simply labeled "Peruvian Red" and "Peruvian Black".
Once I received the vines and saw that the black was so similar to the alecia posted here so I emailed them to let them know. I never got a reply back from them though.
I brewed a small amount of the black (5g) just to see if I could feel anything from such a small amount (and I could not). The brew was really golden in color and got darker as it cooled. I'll get some pics the next time I brew.
Once I received the vines and saw that the black was so similar to the alecia posted here so I emailed them to let them know. I never got a reply back from them though.
I brewed a small amount of the black (5g) just to see if I could feel anything from such a small amount (and I could not). The brew was really golden in color and got darker as it cooled. I'll get some pics the next time I brew.
I promoted marypoppins because I am quite sure they are someone else on another forum I have spoken with about muricata not too long ago..anyway they can now post here.
Deulofeu, V. (1979) Chemical compounds isolated from Banisteriopsis and related species. In: D.H. Efron, B. Holmstedt and N.S. Kline (Eds.),
Ethnopharmacologic Search for Psychoactiue Drugs, Raven Press, New York.
Would be wonderful if we could get a copy of this ^ , it might have some relevant info but I cant find it around, just people using that as a refference in their texts
Edit: Its in erowid in PDF: http://www.erowid.org/library/books/ethnopharmacologic_search.shtml
It does not have any info on alicia or tetrapterys but it does on some other banisteriopsis, worth a look and other plants that could be investigatd, worth a look
Ethnopharmacologic Search for Psychoactiue Drugs, Raven Press, New York.
Would be wonderful if we could get a copy of this ^ , it might have some relevant info but I cant find it around, just people using that as a refference in their texts
Edit: Its in erowid in PDF: http://www.erowid.org/library/books/ethnopharmacologic_search.shtml
It does not have any info on alicia or tetrapterys but it does on some other banisteriopsis, worth a look and other plants that could be investigatd, worth a look
marypoppins
Rising Star
my experiences with muricata
micro and macro
are lending me to believe that
some of the alkaloids in the muricata
might be longer acting (?-permanent-?) mao inhibitors ...????
no scientific data
just that the effects are lasting days from macro
and 24 hours from micro ????
micro and macro
are lending me to believe that
some of the alkaloids in the muricata
might be longer acting (?-permanent-?) mao inhibitors ...????
no scientific data
just that the effects are lasting days from macro
and 24 hours from micro ????
flowersniffer
Rising Star
I'm super interested in these vines and was wondering if anyone had any problems with Buying and getting them delivered from kiwi ?
I've been waiting 2 weeks for a reply to an e mail with no response and now when I tried to make an order, for the shipping method I get 2 choices, flat rate...$10 and per item rate...$90...
I live in Asia and doubt very much that a 6 kilo package can come from Peru to Asia for 10 bucks!
I've been waiting 2 weeks for a reply to an e mail with no response and now when I tried to make an order, for the shipping method I get 2 choices, flat rate...$10 and per item rate...$90...
I live in Asia and doubt very much that a 6 kilo package can come from Peru to Asia for 10 bucks!
Best way to contact them in through skype IME. Sometimes they take too long to answer through email. I know some people have hard time contacting them in english, but try it out. Or use google translate and try spanish if you cant speak spanish? Or ask a friend who does speak spanish to talk to them in skype.
Im sure the package will go to asia for 10 bucks, if a package of 3kgs went to europe for around 120bucks!
Expect expensive shipping prices, but even then, due to their ayahuasca prices, it will probably be cheaper than buying elsewhere.
Im sure the package will go to asia for 10 bucks, if a package of 3kgs went to europe for around 120bucks!
Expect expensive shipping prices, but even then, due to their ayahuasca prices, it will probably be cheaper than buying elsewhere.
Melodic Catastrophe's ayas he posted on page 3: Poorly understood family of AYAHUASCA vines - Collaborative Research Project - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
The black pretty clearly seems like the alicia anisopetala black ayahuasca we all have, but his red ayahuasca seems different from the cross section...
M4y4's red ayahuasca did NOT look so red when boiling, and neither did the black look so black after reducing, I suspect its a different plant altogether they have.. They have it sold under the page of "Banisteriopsis caapi". Also they only sell shredded so its impossible to know... I tried to ask them if they had any info how they identified, and they said all the info they had was shared in the plant page, which is absurd because of course they know (either they know it was some specific person who identified that they trust, or they invented the type and its just a marketing ploy, which I wish its not true but it could be, and if they share no info its hard to get to the truth)
The black pretty clearly seems like the alicia anisopetala black ayahuasca we all have, but his red ayahuasca seems different from the cross section...
M4y4's red ayahuasca did NOT look so red when boiling, and neither did the black look so black after reducing, I suspect its a different plant altogether they have.. They have it sold under the page of "Banisteriopsis caapi". Also they only sell shredded so its impossible to know... I tried to ask them if they had any info how they identified, and they said all the info they had was shared in the plant page, which is absurd because of course they know (either they know it was some specific person who identified that they trust, or they invented the type and its just a marketing ploy, which I wish its not true but it could be, and if they share no info its hard to get to the truth)
Parshvik Chintan
Rising Star
probably best just to contact the vendor.rOm said:
though most sites tend to list the botanical name for just about all their products...
Except that many vendors don't necessarily know what they have...and there are no scientifically accepted varieties of B. caapi...meaning that any vendor claiming to be selling a "variety" of caapi (including colored caapi) is using information that is incorrect as far as nomenclature goes.Parshvik Chintan said:
Shipping will be drastically more expensive once you actually talk to him...and actually, if you carry an order all the way through to paypal. You'll discover this before you are charged, when an expensive shipping charge suddenly appears. Contact him through skype for best results, email takes forever.flowersniffer said: