MadPlanter
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Sorry messed last post up. 
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Poorly understood family of AYAHUASCA vines
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Would you mind labeling what you posted? That would be much appreciated 
MadPlanter
plant enthusiast
Yes sir sorry it took so long to label them. I became distracted by my wife. The butterfly shaped seeds are black ayahuasca or Alicia anisopetala. The club like ones are white ayahuasca of a species not specified. Not a true caapi so to speak either I don't believe but I have seen these exact seeds before online labeled as white aya but don't remember where I found that. The winged seeds like a maple seed are B. muricata or red aya.
Would you mind telling us how was the identification done? Was it the vendor? Is it frmo kiwi?
MadPlanter
plant enthusiast
Yes from the vendors word. I know from much research that the seeds are legitimate aya vines but not sure they are of correct identification. Yes from the vendor you mentioned above. I know some question their company but I cannot complain as I got what I ordered in a timely manner and was informed of everything well. However I have talked with people who don't like them for things and stuff.
Good thing is the herbarium specimens and descriptions seem to match these seeds and plants so I think it's quite probable the ID is right (though I'm no expert)
MadPlanter
plant enthusiast
Would you kindly tell me the species of the white aya. I'm fairly sure due to seed shape that it isn't a caapi like the black aya. I have searched around but I only find info on caapi species that is called white. I'm believe there is several true caapi species that all have like shaped seeds. I ran into pics of the seeds of my white along time ago and it was called white aya but I cannot locate it again.
Sorry I dont know about the white aya one.
MadPlanter
plant enthusiast
True man thanks anyway. I was excited to see them look like that when I opened the package. I expected both other than the black aya to look the same. I think it is cool to grow this unknown species. Somebody probably knows but I couldn't find the name. The vendor wasn't sure the white was viable but that is OK because its an honor to try. I have thus far two black aya seedlings which are only a few days old now. No red or white so far but they have only been planted for around a month total.
MadPlanter
plant enthusiast
A pic of a small emerging black ayahuasca seedling. Its very exciting to have the chance to grow such a sacred plant. I really want a white to sprout though.
dooby
Rising Star
BecometheOther said:
I found this on a vendor website, I have never ordered from them, but a friend who's been to Brazil a couple of times met some of the people behind the site, and he speaks very highly of them...
Diplopterys Cabrerana is a liana from the tropical parts of South America. This liana looks like the Banisteriopsis caapi and was formerly known as Banisteriopsis Rusbyana. Diplopterys is favored by shamans in Amazonian Ecuador and western Colombia, whereas in Brazil and Peru Psychotria Virdis is the preferred admixture plant. The leaves of Diplopterys are known as Chagropanga and Chaliponga and commonly used as an additive to Ayahuasca brews. The brew with Diplopterys is generally known as Oco-yage, (water-yage). The Sionas, for example, use this species to “enhance the visions” to “bring them into focus and bring about longer duration”...
Could this then be the "real" chaliponga you mentioned?
MadPlanter
plant enthusiast
There are so many interesting species mentioned in this thread. These species need to be collected live and brought to somewhere they can be propagated massively and spread world wide amongst the community. Its the only means of insuring that all these species survive with the rainforests being cut down and governments cracking down on stuff. Its not too late but that time may approach quickly.
zincsulfate
Rising Star
very interesting.I even can't believe my eyes.
AlchemicalGnostic
Rising Star
TN said:
Go ahead man, All perspectives are welcome.
The entire forum is alive, friend. 
Digging up old threads can be engaging.
Digging up old threads can be engaging.
TN
Rising Star
I Loved this thread so much guys. It was found when I was ready to add important information that you, we all are searching for. Let's start/proceed from two pages I took from James A. Duke' Handbook of Medicinal Plants of Latin America (2009), pp. 90-91 on B. caapi and its synonyms. Plan to post pictures from my garden where different aya vines are growing in.Cognitive Heart said:The entire forum is alive, friend.
James A. Duke. Handbook of Medicinal Plants of Latin America (2009), page 90.jpg[img]
[img]James A. Duke. Handbook of Medicinal Plants of Latin America (2009), page 91.jpg[img]
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Nope, not seeing any pictures...
TN
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Nothing changed. What's the problem guys?
Nothing changed. What's the problem guys?
I Loved this thread so much guys. It was found when I was ready to add important information that you, we all are searching for. Let's start/proceed from two pages I took from James A. Duke' Handbook of Medicinal Plants of Latin America (2009), pp. 90-91 on B. caapi and its synonyms. Plan to post pictures from my garden where different aya vines are growing in.Cognitive Heart said:The entire forum is alive, friend.
