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SWIM has a friend who has a brain tumor that cant be cured and is curious if anyone has heard of an adverse reaction to DMT or Psilocybin with such a condition. SWIM is aware of medications and adverse reactions and thats not the concern here it is the growth itself. SWIM is really only concerned because it messes with the CNS causeing numbness, vertigo and things of that nature. THANX for takin the time to read!
 
This really isnt the place to give such serious medical advice. Its kind of frowned upon here. Im sure his doc would know better.
 
Not really looking for medicle advice just hoping somone out there might have had expierence with such a thing is all.
 
Could you please elaborate on what you feel McKenna have said about this subject?

I can't see why a brain tumor automatically would create any adverse reaction to DMT or mushrooms. Where the brain tumor is located and individual differences does of course have very much to say, so there is no one here that can say a definite no or yes to your question. Personally I can't see why it would be a problem, but still it may be a problem.
 
Talk to the doctors, they will be compassionate about his/her situation. There's a patient-doctor thing I forget the name of it but it's safe to ask.
 
Thank you Evening Glory for your insight. I was thinking along the same lines just wanted another opinion or two or like i said somone with similar expierence.

As far as McKenna goes, its not so much what he has said but the fact that he died of a brain abnormality in his 50s. Being such an illness that has no cure and you can have it and not even know it he seemed ok. But for him to have survived as long as he did then i can only hope that A. there is something he was ingesting that prolonged his life, such as cannabis, psilocybin/psilocin, DMT, ayauasca or any other of a number of natrual chemicles psychoactive or not. and B. it obviously had no adverse affects on him. At least it would appear that way. But none the less its all speculation and ill just have to do more research befor allowing somone to subject themselves to a possible harmful expierence. :0)
 
I agree wholeheartedly, Metta. I love smoked spice, but I feel the real potential for healing lies within longer durations, such as Ayahuasca/Pharmahuasca/mushrooms/cactus. Even though I have seen the wonders on smoked spice, it is only with way longer durations I really can integrate these wonders well into my life.
 
I think Evening Glorys post is your best answer here.

The potential for brain tumours to cause seizures depends on a number of known (and almost certainly, some unknown) factors.

These include:

1.Is it a primary brain tumour or a cerebral metastasis?If metastatic ie spread to the brain from another site, whats the nature of the primary tumour?

2.Whats its location ie cortical/subcortical or indeed elsewhere?

3.Its size and whether or not its compressing surrounding tissues ie causing mass effect?

4.Whats its histology?

5.Is it causing secondary electrolyte abnormalities such as hyponatremia (for example low plasma sodium through inappropriate Anti Diuretic Hormone release)?

6.Is the patient on any medications for any purpose which can alter the seizure threshold? This includes fairly commonly used medications such as ibuprofen,penicillins and ciprofloxacin.


Do bear in mind that our understanding of much of the central nervous system, its correct functioning and indeed its behaviour in disease is pretty crude;its also the case that one persons ailments will not always follow a set textbook pattern.

Psilocybin has been shown to cause seizures in children who have taken it inadvertently;this may simply reflect the fact that the immature brain responds in a different fashion to that of adults but it cannot be stated conclusively that the brain when suffering a disease process will behave exactly the same as an undiseased brain when exposed to exogenous substances.

I may be wrong here but hasnt 5 meo-DMT been responsible for seizures,admittedly when taken beyond the standard dose range?

Im sure a neurologist would advise against taking something the effects of which cannot be predicted with any firm degree of accuracy.This is (in part) to cover their ass so theres no Tribunal/Hearing assessing their fitness to practise somewhere down the line but also to live up to the spirit of the Hippocratic Oath (ie do no harm).But whether or not it would cause a problem in any particular patient, I dont think anyone can say for sure.

But there are potentially bigger problems than a seizure to bear in mind.For example, certain secondary tumours in the brain (such as metastatic malignant melanoma) are highly vascular but the vessels wall are weak and prone to spontaneously rupture (known as apoplexy)-this can occur for no observable reason or as a consequence of fits resulting in all the problems which can come from a cerebral hemorrhage.

Sorry for the grim nature of this post but I do love neurology!!!!
 
Well now there we go. Corpus Callosum thank you much for your insight.

what i know............

1. I wana say malignant. I say this because im told it cant be removed and it can grow at a rapid rate. At current it is 2 cm and im told if it swells due to stress and anxiety it will contiue to swell rapidly. At 5 cm im told she can die.

2. Not sure which it is, ima go with sub cortical but i really dont know.

4. Ima get some more infor on the things i cant ansewer.

5. Not sure

6. No although the tumor does cause brain seizures and she has had at least 2 in the past.

To Metta i do see what your saying as all the times ive smoked DMT while it is a tool to use Mushrooms are a much better learning tool. Unfortunatly i have not had the time to brew but soon i will get to enjoy the spirit of Ayausca.
 
Ok back to Corpus. The actual diagnosis, it is a colloid cyst. From what she has told me is the symptoms she gets are caused by pressure from the cyst against her brain. and that also in some cases it can block spinal fluid from the spine and cause it to go elsewhere in her body. Dont know if that is helpful or not. And the only meds she takes is a Xanax when she starts to have an anxiety attack.
 
Ah, a colloid cyst!

A colloid cyst is a developmental anomaly and exerts its effects by obstructing the flow of the cerebrospinal fluid and thus causes raised intrcranial pressure.Raised intracranial pressure can be fatal but pleasingly, the colloid cyst is actually benign (as opposed to malignant).Its often the case that they are effectively inoperable simply by virtue of their location.
 
Corpus, your exactly who i was reachin out too. Thanx for your input, you seem to know what your talking about. So with it being a cyst and not actually part of the brain my friend should be good to voyage i hope? Dont have to say yes or no a simple "if it were my cyst ...." will do lol i know some people dont like giving an opinion like that sooooooooooo THANX!
 
Strictly speaking, colloid cysts are part of the brain but usually they are in the ventricular system where they obstruct the flow of the cerebrospinal fluid.

Your last post puts me on the spot a little bit.

IF.......I had a colloid cyst in my skull and

1.The CT or MR head showed my ventricles were not enlarged AND

2.I didnt need a shunt in my head AND

3.I had never had seizures then........I would go for it but I would favor the oral route and start off with a low dose and then build it up if I wanted to go further.

You mention your friend has had seizures-are these blamed on the cyst or is there another reason for the 2 seizures they have had?
 
Well i know for a fact that where the cyst is it can eventually, if it got bigger (it is at current 2cm), block the spinal fluid. no shunts or enlarged ventricles. We can only assume that they were brain seizures and id have to say if i wasnt there either of the times it could have gone bad, both times it was during sleep but hasnt happened in a few years and seems to be caused by stress and anxiety. Thanx for the advice but as usual with anything i do start small and see what kinda reaction the body gives off.
 
Welp the verdict is in and SWIMs friend did just fine on a moderate dose of smoked. Had such a beautiful expierence she cried many tears while laughing with her face in her hands. Most Awsome Thank you to any and all who so bravely gave thier "OPINION" they were all very helpful to me in making our decision. Much Love and Thanx again!
 
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