Post journey amnesia?

[Bartacus]

I've been slowly working my way into the spice,and I've had some amazing experiences,the problem I have is the inability to recall of the journeys. Other trip reports I've read are incredibly detailed,I don't seem to remember much at all. I've been using "electric sheep" at a 1-1.5 ratio,and smoking 50-60mg(20mg spice) in a small glass bong.I'm able to clear the bowl in one hit quite easily. I did this last night and by the time I put the bong down I was well on my way. I had the "carrier wave' sound too. When I came back down I felt great and had a wonderful afterglow but as the seconds passed memory was fading and I can hardly remember anything now. I seem to enter a very Escher like world,I can make out entities,they seem to be female and constructed from geometric spirals.

So,do other people experience this poor recollection too? I guess this needs practice,or maybe I just need to smoke more??!!

It's probably worth pointing out that I'm on an SSRI too at the moment. I'm in the process of stopping it,but it will be several weeks before I finish taking them completely. I don't know if this can have an effect too. My memory in general has suffered I think,so there could well be a link there.

Any thoughts?

Bartacus

 

[Shamasi Wiz]

I'm still pretty inexperienced with smoking the spice, but the amnesia seems to be a really common problem. From reading, it seems like most people get better at bringing back more with each trip. It may have something to do with part of you that's still integrating the intense degree of the experiences, like perhaps there are things you're not quite prepared to fully bring back consciously, even though the teachings may be working on other levels? It also might have to do with dosage. A lot of people find their "perfect dose" after a lot of trial and error. I would highly recommend trying ayahuasca if you haven't already. The slower come-up lets you integrate each level better as it's happening, and the slower come-down gives you more time to think about and remember what's happened. Even then, "slower" is a relative term, as a wave of ayahuasca energy can sweep you up before you can catch your breath, as well. My guess is the more you form a relationship with the spice, and the more you think about it between trips, the more you'll start to remember. I hope you get to start opening all the gifts you're receiving. Good luck, and Godspeed!

 

[Global]

The amnesia can be trouble to some degree to most everyone including those with florid accounts. The way I go about retaining as much in memory as possible is that while you're there, if you see something special/important/significant that you'd like to keep in memory, you better start pooling all your cognitive resources to
(A): label what you're seeing (hard to remember something without a label) and
(B): start paying attention to detail and focus.

Even if what you're looking at defies all proper labels, come up with a poor one. Come up with anything. It may only poorly resemble a parrot, but if you label it as a parrot anyway, now you have a tag to retrieve your file (a subject for recall). The thing is that you don't really remember half as great as you think you do in normal every-day consciousness. The benefit is that you're surrounded by mostly familiar things which your brain can tack labels on for future recall. In hyperspace, the objects of reference are quite unfamiliar, and even as one builds familiarity with these things through repeated voyages, you still don't usually have the luxury of a parent/teacher figure in hyperspace that is going to tell you what these things are called.

Also, imagine going to see a sci-fi movie. When you leave the theater, you try and recall as much detail as you can from one of the scenes. You may come up with a very rough oversimplification of what you saw, and you'll likely only remember a handful of the macro details of an intricately composed scene, and should someone ask you what happened in that scene (which we'll assume has no dialogue), I'd bet you'd find yourself a bit hard pressed to create an accurate verbal representation of exactly what it is you saw. That's human memory and language for you. The other problem with DMT of course is that you can't turn to the guy sitting next to you and say, "hey, you remember that really weird big green glob thing?" That would make it so much easier wouldn't it?

Last tip I have for trying to remember what's happened in hyperspace is listening to music. As I've said, one of the most difficult part of the recall is not having a label or description under which to recall, but if you're listening to music, the music starts to do the job for you. You see, let's imagine you're looking at that parrot-looking thing as mentioned above, and you have no idea what to call it, or even what it resembles. If you're listening to music while you see the "parrot" and then when you're out of hyperspace, you go back and listen to that same music, the part in the music when you were looking at the parrot the first time, could very well start triggering memories of it later. Like "oh yeah, when I heard that, I was seeing..." In this case, it's almost like the music is your recall label.

 

[Bartacus]

Shamasi Wiz : That makes sense about the integration and adjusting to the intensity,I have had strong emotional effects without really being able to attach them to specific events. I will try ayahuasca but at the moment I'm taking an SSRI so that will have to wait, I want to make changa with caapi too,but enhanced leaf is what I'm using now until I'm safe to take an MAOI.Thanks for the reply.

Global : I'll try to concentrate on paying attention to details,actually fragments of the trip are beginning to come back over the last couple of days,not much but progress nonetheless. I do usually have music playing,I'm still trying to find the ideal playlist.The music threads have been very helpful. Complete silence doesn't really work for me,so low chilled sounds are what I'm looking for.I appreciate the response,thank you.