Pots?

[Iforgotmyface]

So I'm preparing for my first Mimosa/ Syrian Rue experience and I've read that stainless steel pots should only be used as opposed to teflon or anything else. Can anyone explain this to me? I don't have any stainless steel pots, I have a few steel pots but they have a black inner layer that doesn't appear to be steel. And since stainless steel pots cost a fortune these days, could I get away with using teflon/ regular steel to brew my concoction?

 

[Thesmorphia]

You'll probably get a variety of responses on this, but my opinion is- yes, you can use other kinds of pots. Since Mimosa has such a short brewing time, it's not really a problem, in my experience.

Alternately, you could cold-brew it- chuck the Mimosa in a container (say, a glass bottle) with water, keep it in the fridge shake the container every day, and give it a couple of days (or at least twelve hours). Then the brew can simply be poured off and consumed (along with the Rue).

If you do cold-brew it, dose a little higher. 6 grams is probably a good starting point.

 

[Iforgotmyface]

You'll probably get a variety of responses on this, but my opinion is- yes, you can use other kinds of pots. Since Mimosa has such a short brewing time, it's not really a problem, in my experience.

Thanks! So have you personally tried using pots other than stainless steel?

6 grams is probably a good starting point.

Seeing as how I'm pretty experienced when it comes to psychedelics and want to fully undergo the whole spiritual/ mental breakthrough experience, I had planned on using a dose of 6 or 7 grams of mimosa with the normal boiling method. Would you say this is a sufficient dose? I think 8-10 might be a little too much from the experiences I've read. What are your thoughts?

 

[rjb]

Seeing as how I'm pretty experienced when it comes to psychedelics and want to fully undergo the whole spiritual/ mental breakthrough experience, I had planned on using a dose of 6 or 7 grams of mimosa with the normal boiling method. Would you say this is a sufficient dose? I think 8-10 might be a little too much from the experiences I've read. What are your thoughts?

The human body is completely inhibited by 2-3-4 grams of rue. More than that is just waste, IMO. Unless you have some unusual resistance to this stuff, I recommend going with 3 grams. Or, boil more, and drink less, so that if you're still not inhibited after the first dose, you can dose again. Wait 15-20 minutes to feel the effects.

 

[Iforgotmyface]

The human body is completely inhibited by 2-3-4 grams of rue. More than that is just waste, IMO. Unless you have some unusual resistance to this stuff, I recommend going with 3 grams. Or, boil more, and drink less, so that if you're still not inhibited after the first dose, you can dose again. Wait 15-20 minutes to feel the effects.

Thanks for your reply, I actually had planned on using a dose of 3g of the syrian rue. As I said earlier, I wish to experience the breakthrough experience in a sort of barrier breaking "initiation" if you will, and I have pretty clear intentions set for myself as far as the trip goes. Do you think 6-7 g of mimosa powdered root bark would be enough for the full experience without being too overwhelming. I hesitate to go 8g, but I feel like 6 or 7 would be a decent dose from what I've read.

 

[Thesmorphia]

If you're boiling it and using acids to extract the alkaloids, 6 or 7 grams will probably be quite intense.

If you're cold-brewing it, you could probably go 8 without too much difficulty.

 

[rjb]

Thanks for your reply, I actually had planned on using a dose of 3g of the syrian rue. As I said earlier, I wish to experience the breakthrough experience in a sort of barrier breaking "initiation" if you will, and I have pretty clear intentions set for myself as far as the trip goes. Do you think 6-7 g of mimosa powdered root bark would be enough for the full experience without being too overwhelming. I hesitate to go 8g, but I feel like 6 or 7 would be a decent dose from what I've read.

From what I gather, you just want to be stoned really hard and good, rather than work with the medicine. I'd rather investigate some more about that rue...8g is enough to trip on its own, leave alone the fact that you'll add some mimosa as well AND it's your first time with this combination. But hey, that's just me...wanted to give you a friendly warning.

Check out this link for more info, especially the bottom comments: Erowid Online Books : "TIHKAL" - #13 HARMALINE

 

[Iforgotmyface]

If you're boiling it and using acids to extract the alkaloids, 6 or 7 grams will probably be quite intense.

If you're cold-brewing it, you could probably go 8 without too much difficulty.

Okay thanks, Perhaps I'll stick with five then. Does five grams mimosa three grams rue sound like a good starting dose?

From what I gather, you just want to be stoned really hard and good, rather than work with the medicine. I'd rather investigate some more about that rue...8g is enough to trip on its own, leave alone the fact that you'll add some mimosa as well AND it's your first time with this combination. But hey, that's just me...wanted to give you a friendly warning.

I appreciate the warning, but this is really not true at all. I understand the incredibly intense and overwhelming effects that compounds like this can have and I've had some pretty terrible experiences with dosing too much with salvia. I really don't want to scare myself off and definitely don't expect to be "stoned" from this mixture. I simply wish to experience this medicine fully without scaring myself off or overwhelming myself too much. I actually have much respect for the spirit of these plants and Im going to begin a strict dieta four days before the trip as well as giving thanks, love, gratitude and prayer into my brew when I actually make it. I must just be a bit misinformed with my doses. I really hate to give off an impression that puts the spirits of these plants in such a disrespectful light. But again, thank you. I really didn't understand how powerful the harmalas could be by themselves.

 

[rjb]

5g is better, that's still a strong dose, mind you. There's also a rumor according to which in some cases the potency can range from 1x to 3x. Not sure how much of that is true, maybe a chemist could help with info about that. Also, Syrian Rue is considered toxic in very large amounts (not applicable to this case, but still good to keep in mind).

When ever you're unsure, check out Erowid. That's a great place for info on those substances. Also, how much DMT are you thinking about taking?

 

[Indoril_Nerevar]

I think people are missing the topic...can we get more opinions on the pots? Has someone tried non-stainless steel pots and failed?From what i've read in guides everyone says "I suggest you use stainless steel" but they never elaborate.So anyone with experience in this?

 

[Iforgotmyface]

5g is better, that's still a strong dose, mind you.

5g is a strong dose with Mimosa Hostilis root bark? Yeah, I guess I didn't have as clear of a picture of the mimosa doses as I thought I did.:?

Also, how much DMT are you thinking about taking?

I believe you may be mixing up the 5g dose I was talking about earlier as the Syrian Rue dose I was planning on using. I don't plan on going any higher than probably 3g on the Syrian rue. Im only looking for enough of a dose to properly inhibit myself. I really don't want to go too overboard. I understand the power of these things.
So basically my plans go as follows:
1: 5..? grams of mimosa hostilis powdered root bark boiled separately in 3x 1 hour washes with a single 1 hour 3g syrian rue wash by itself.
2: reduce down
3: refrigerate overnight to separate the impurities
4: take rue and observe/ wait for the signs of the maoi's to kick in
5: drink tea

So to clear this up, 5 grams of pure mimosa powdered root bark with lets say about a 1% yield will be a sufficient dose to experience the healing visionary effects of the DMT? From what you've been telling me I feel like 5 - 6 grams is about as high as an inexperienced person should go starting out. Would you agree?

 

[Iforgotmyface]

I think people are missing the topic...can we get more opinions on the pots? Has someone tried non-stainless steel pots and failed?From what i've read in guides everyone says "I suggest you use stainless steel" but they never elaborate.So anyone with experience in this?

I've been straying off topic a lot with this one. haha. Sorry about that but thankfully most of my questions have been answered. But I am still curious as to why anything other that stainless steel is usually not advised. I don't want to have to blow forty+ bucks on a couple stainless steel pots if It's not completely necessary.

 

[flouro]

I think people are missing the topic...can we get more opinions on the pots? Has someone tried non-stainless steel pots and failed?From what i've read in guides everyone says "I suggest you use stainless steel" but they never elaborate.So anyone with experience in this?

Better go safe than sorry and get a stainless steel ceremony preparing tool.

Pots lined with teflon is not a good idea. Check this Teflon Safety

Aluminum is kind of dubious chemical also Aluminum Health Concerns Also it has been said that lye eats aluminum but right now this late I am too tired to search for an source to back this claim up. You might be able to research this though to get the facts about possible chemical interactions with your cookwear

In the metal department it kind of leaves stainless steel as a suitable material to use. Also the pot size with mimosa and rue would not have to be big at all. Lasts also a very long time! Will not break. Easy to wash. Also if you still cook your food then you have really good cooking device also.

Clay pots lined with nontoxic natural glazing could be tried, have not personally but they might be quite nontoxic although I do not know about the chemical resistance. Might want to go ask local small potteries for an opinion?


Stainless steel just seems to be the most suitable for the task, better be safe than sorry?

 

[Iforgotmyface]

Thanks Flouro, that was a perfect response. I suppose it's off to the store! And for anyone reading this in the same situation as me, I found a few really good deals on stainless steel saucepans if you have access to an Ikea.

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[flouro]

Thanks Flouro, that was a perfect response. I suppose it's off to the store! And for anyone reading this in the same situation as me, I found a few really good deals on stainless steel saucepans if you have access to an Ikea.

You'll have to check store availability, but these so far are the best prices I've come across.

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Quality one. No coating what so ever as one of those has non-stick coating. Also better to be all stainless steel without glass or plastic parts due to possibility of glass breaking and plastic giving leaches.

Check this thread, it really is that important:

Phthalates: Warning to those using plastic containers/instruments in extractions - Health & Safety - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Types of stainless steel a lot of different types of stainless steel.

Different steel has different composition, different properties. On some stainless steel there is more nickel than in others.

Chow Down | ehow

Stainless steel pots and pans are divided into three categories or grades: 18/0, 18/8 and 18/10. This means the cookware has 18 percent chromium and is made up of either zero, 8 or 10 percent nickel.

Nickel is not really food safe on its own. I have no data in hand to show if any nickel actually leaches from stainless steel cookwear. Might want to research that one from the internet if you go with steel that has nickel in it.

Get the best you can. Will be reliable for a long time for all sorts of use.


Happy brewing

 

[Iforgotmyface]

Quality one. No coating what so ever as one of those has non-stick coating. Also better to be all stainless steel without glass or plastic parts due to possibility of glass breaking and plastic giving leaches.

Check this thread, it really is that important:

Phthalates: Warning to those using plastic containers/instruments in extractions - Health & Safety - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Types of stainless steel a lot of different types of stainless steel.

Different steel has different composition, different properties. On some stainless steel there is more nickel than in others.

Chow Down | ehow

Stainless steel pots and pans are divided into three categories or grades: 18/0, 18/8 and 18/10. This means the cookware has 18 percent chromium and is made up of either zero, 8 or 10 percent nickel.

Nickel is not really food safe on its own. I have no data in hand to show if any nickel actually leaches from stainless steel cookwear. Might want to research that one from the internet if you go with steel that has nickel in it.

Get the best you can. Will be reliable for a long time for all sorts of use.


Happy brewing

Good information. I'll have to look into it a bit more. Thanks for everybody's help.
I'm really looking forward to this experience, as is my girlfriend.
Each of our experiences will be documented and shared.
Thanks again nexus friends.

 

[rjb]

3g/5g is a good ratio, on the moderate scale, but good for a first time, because you don't know before hand how hard it will hit you or how good your mimosa/rue is. Sorry, I was under the impression that you were referring to the Rue with the 8g. Still, 8g of Mimosa is too difficult, I consider, for a first time. Make sure you boil the plant material well, and you'll be just fine

I also use stainless steel pots, and I haven't had any problems. No coating here, and no teflon in the composition. Just 100% stainless steel pots. Don't boil too hard, simmer.

Good luck in your endeavors Let us know how it went.

 

[Indoril_Nerevar]

Thanks Flouro, that was a perfect response. I suppose it's off to the store! And for anyone reading this in the same situation as me, I found a few really good deals on stainless steel saucepans if you have access to an Ikea.

You'll have to check store availability, but these so far are the best prices I've come across.

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Quality one. No coating what so ever as one of those has non-stick coating. Also better to be all stainless steel without glass or plastic parts due to possibility of glass breaking and plastic giving leaches.

Check this thread, it really is that important:

Phthalates: Warning to those using plastic containers/instruments in extractions - Health & Safety - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Types of stainless steel a lot of different types of stainless steel.

Different steel has different composition, different properties. On some stainless steel there is more nickel than in others.

Chow Down | ehow

Stainless steel pots and pans are divided into three categories or grades: 18/0, 18/8 and 18/10. This means the cookware has 18 percent chromium and is made up of either zero, 8 or 10 percent nickel.

Nickel is not really food safe on its own. I have no data in hand to show if any nickel actually leaches from stainless steel cookwear. Might want to research that one from the internet if you go with steel that has nickel in it.

Get the best you can. Will be reliable for a long time for all sorts of use.


Happy brewing

The info you provided really says nothing about the question...Just says that teflon and plastic might be dangerous for humans,but doesn't say if it would affect mimosa brewing in any way...I really don't see why it would tbh,but want someone's experience that has tried this

 

[flouro]

Thanks Flouro, that was a perfect response. I suppose it's off to the store! And for anyone reading this in the same situation as me, I found a few really good deals on stainless steel saucepans if you have access to an Ikea.

You'll have to check store availability, but these so far are the best prices I've come across.

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Quality one. No coating what so ever as one of those has non-stick coating. Also better to be all stainless steel without glass or plastic parts due to possibility of glass breaking and plastic giving leaches.

Check this thread, it really is that important:

Phthalates: Warning to those using plastic containers/instruments in extractions - Health & Safety - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Types of stainless steel a lot of different types of stainless steel.

Different steel has different composition, different properties. On some stainless steel there is more nickel than in others.

Chow Down | ehow

Stainless steel pots and pans are divided into three categories or grades: 18/0, 18/8 and 18/10. This means the cookware has 18 percent chromium and is made up of either zero, 8 or 10 percent nickel.

Nickel is not really food safe on its own. I have no data in hand to show if any nickel actually leaches from stainless steel cookwear. Might want to research that one from the internet if you go with steel that has nickel in it.

Get the best you can. Will be reliable for a long time for all sorts of use.


Happy brewing

The info you provided really says nothing about the question...Just says that teflon and plastic might be dangerous for humans,but doesn't say if it would affect mimosa brewing in any way...I really don't see why it would tbh,but want someone's experience that has tried this

Yes, while we wait for user stories of teflon or aluminum pots used with brewing. May I ask you have you ever used cooking ware that has nonstick coating or is made from aluminum? If you have then what are your personal experiences of those types of cooking equipment? Also do you have personal experience with using 18/x stainless steel cooking ware? If yes then how would you compare those to the nonstick and or aluminum?

Also the information is there for the purpose of the person choosing the pot to make an educated choice based on the scientific data about the materials used in the various pots and may then him/herself decide what kind of materials she/he may wish to incorporate into his/her own brewing equipment.

(*SEE EDIT AT THE BOTTOM* Actually I have one experience. I brewed my first batch of banisteriopsis caapi with my 6L aluminum pressure cooker. Did the mimosa with 18/8 stainless steel pot. Did I sense any difference? Hard to say since it was my first time doing so and have not yet aquired the taste for the substances. Would I now brew again with the aluminum pressure cooker? No I would not. Why? I do not like the specs of aluminum based on the scientific information available on aluminum. Would I choose something else, if yes then what? I would choose 18/0 stainless steel given the information that I have absorbed and integrated into my mind. *SEE EDIT AT THE BOTTOM*)

You may do otherwise but now you just can not say that you were not informed about the subject of teflon and aluminum.
It comes down into personal preference based on the data available on the moment of choosing.


*EDIT: I WAS WRONG! I did not brew the caapi with the PC I did it with other pot that is 18/10 (not 18/8 as I previously stated). I have done cactus with PC and I found about in the internet that yes, that one was stainless steel too. Magnet sticks to the bottom but no to the sides which says it has steel bottom for sure and can be used with induction stove most likely, just do not know what type of steel it is as magnet does not attach to 18/10 either while it is steel for example. Same with the 18/10 pots no magnetic attachement. No magnetism other than the bottom of one that is specially for induction stoves. So DISCLAIMER DISCLAIMER do not do the same mistake and go telling stuff without not being sure especially if you suffer from bad memory, at least without being able to change previous statements

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

I don't want to have to blow forty+ bucks on a couple stainless steel pots if It's not completely necessary.

i looked around at nearby second-hand stores and found 2 stainless pots for $3.50 and $4.50 respectively.

they are worn and one of the pots has a broken handle, but they get the job done.