Pre-flight check: I'm scared, but I am I ready?

[FiniteFox]

I've never done any psychedelics, alcohol, tobacco ... I don't drink coffee or soda. My only experience was with two failed aya brews; the syrian rue made me nauseated and gave me a headache, but it wasn't a deal-breaker.

I've used q21q21's tek pretty spot on to extract 170 mg of dark orange goo from 65 g of ACRB (second set of pulls/evaps later).

My plan is to parachute 3.5 g syrian rue, wait 20 minutes and then drink 40 mg of the goo dissolved into lemon water. At 40 mins in, if nothing is happening, I'll follow it up with 1 g syrian rue an an extra 10 mg of dmt.

I feel like I'm on the edge of a cliff. My mind is racing. I'm a perfectionist and just need a warm hug before I swan dive off the edge - can you just reaffirm what I think I know prior to the plunge?

Do you think I have the dosing right? I have a firm constitution and stout will power - I don't need to have my mind/ego obliterated, but I do want to break through.

I've read that oral consumption like I'm doing can last 3-4 hours. Does that jive with what you know?

I don't have anyone who can be a sitter. I feel like I can handle things on my own, but I do live with my spouse who is not "supportive" of my endeavor ("Can you do it outside? I don't get why you really need to do this in the first place."). I'll just do it in my meditation spot downstairs while the family sleeps. I'm bugged that I have to do it in mild secrecy, but going solo is ... comforting in its privacy, you know? Should I write a note just in case? Or am I being over the top?

Thanks for reading, forgive my impetuousness.

I'm not confident but I am resolute. Wish me luck.

- FF

 

[Poads]

I think you're on the right track. I have a few bits of advice.

I've never used the q21q21 tek myself, but if I'm not mistaken it's a freebase extraction. I think you would be better off using fumarate. I believe dissolving freebase in lemon juice will work fine, but it might be harder on your stomach.

Instead of parachuting 3.5g syrian rue, make a syrian rue tea. It's easy to make, and it works better. I would also wait 30 minutes instead of 20 before taking the DMT.

The "breakthrough" is considerably different when using oral DMT than it is smoking DMT freebase. I don't think 40mg will get you there. You will certainly "feel" 40mg, but I think you will be let down. It will probably take ~100mg oral DMT if you really want a pharmahuasca "breakthrough". Don't do anything you aren't comfortable with, but I think 60mg might be a good starting point.

You lack drug experience, and you're jumping right into DMT. I took the gateway drug route and started with marijuana giggles as a teenager, messed around with stuff like alcohol and DXM, before working my way to natural psychedelics like LSA and psilocybin. I spent some time growing my own mushrooms (see my avatar) and working with those. Only then did I start doing my own DMT extractions.

There's no reason or rule that you can't go right to DMT. I personally feel that nobody is ever ready for DMT. But you seem like you're taking a cautious approach, and you're starting with a low dose. I personally feel like ACRB is much weaker compared to MHRB because of the NMT content in ACRB. Others can speak for themselves, but my MHRB experiences have been MUCH stronger than my ACRB experiences. Perhaps my ACRB was weak. Whatever. Regardless, if anything, I think you'll be underwhelmed. But I think you'll be fine without a "sitter".

Just don't be too disappointed if your experience is underwhelming at this low oral ACRB dose. Don't do anything drastic like take a massive dose. I think your current plan will allow you to "get your feet wet". If you really want to "breakthrough", it's much easier by smoking DMT freebase than it is by taking pharmahuasca. That said, pharmahuasca can be more beneficial because you actually get time to reflect upon yourself and do personal healing. The smoked experience is just rushed.

I'm sorry that I typed alot, but I hope I've been somewhat of a help. Good luck!

TL;DR: You're good to go, just make some minor tweaks to your plan.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

q21q21 is acetate, if you do the limonene tek

 

[Beyond Me]

Sounds like a plan. Do everything you can to keep that syrian rue down. Capsules have been the way to go for me personally.

My gf had also had zero experience with any mind altering substance. We parachuted about 31/2 grams syrian rue (taken 40 minutes before the spice in a gelcap) and then 68 mg spice. I had 1 g cap of syrian rue and another cap of spice (60mg freebase just in case that you feel nothing after about 35-45 minutes you can take another dose.) washed the freebase caps down with a tiny cup of orange juice (to ease the nausea).

And during the 15 minutes nausea state eating some ginger greatly facilitated the process of digestion.

I've lived with Mormons my whole life so I can completely understand the whole "I don't approve of how you're going about this.." mentality.
The truth is --you have taken great care and consideration every single step of this process-- if possible proceed with love an kindness in expressing your desire to know the truth to your spouse. Be genuine, your desire to know the truth of existence (or whatever has intrigued and led you to this sacred spice; the spirit molecule) led you here!

Truly a Christmas miracle

 

[ColorfulColorado]

I've never done any psychedelics, alcohol, tobacco ... I don't drink coffee or soda. My only experience was with two failed aya brews; the syrian rue made me nauseated and gave me a headache, but it wasn't a deal-breaker.

I've used q21q21's tek pretty spot on to extract 170 mg of dark orange goo from 65 g of ACRB (second set of pulls/evaps later).

My plan is to parachute 3.5 g syrian rue, wait 20 minutes and then drink 40 mg of the goo dissolved into lemon water. At 40 mins in, if nothing is happening, I'll follow it up with 1 g syrian rue an an extra 10 mg of dmt.

I feel like I'm on the edge of a cliff. My mind is racing. I'm a perfectionist and just need a warm hug before I swan dive off the edge - can you just reaffirm what I think I know prior to the plunge?

Do you think I have the dosing right? I have a firm constitution and stout will power - I don't need to have my mind/ego obliterated, but I do want to break through.

I've read that oral consumption like I'm doing can last 3-4 hours. Does that jive with what you know?

I don't have anyone who can be a sitter. I feel like I can handle things on my own, but I do live with my spouse who is not "supportive" of my endeavor ("Can you do it outside? I don't get why you really need to do this in the first place."). I'll just do it in my meditation spot downstairs while the family sleeps. I'm bugged that I have to do it in mild secrecy, but going solo is ... comforting in its privacy, you know? Should I write a note just in case? Or am I being over the top?

Thanks for reading, forgive my impetuousness.

I'm not confident but I am resolute. Wish me luck.

- FF

The very first sentence is what concerns me the most. If you don't have experience with something as simple as alcohol, or cannabis, why would you jump headfirst into something so earth-shattering?

It is my personal opinion that a large part of the DMT experience is integration, that is far more important than the visions, or the psychedelic nature of the journey. I am under the belief that without a minor psychedelic experience, psilocybin or LSD come to mind, you will very much struggle to even put words to what it is that you see/feel/hear/taste/smell whilst in Hyperspace, let alone integrating it into your day-to-day life. I think your dosage is probably spot on for someone with lack of experience, meaning you will probably get next to nill. I wouldn't push it much further than that either, DMT isn't something that you take for fun, it's an absolutely amazing teacher, however these teachings only seem to come through when The Spirit Molecule is used in the right context.

Also, you lack a trip sitter, and are completely against asking a friend or someone close if you can journey over to their place for your experience. I can tell you from personal experience that even being in the presence of someone who is against a psychedelic journey, will have a MASSIVE effect on your set, so don't take it in the presence of your wife, don't even do it at home. Leaving a note is an even worse idea, what happens when you're 2 hours deep into a vision, and she sees the note, comes screaming down the stairs, finds you 'unconscious' & calls 911? Then what?

Set/Setting are by far the most important part of it all, and too me, your set and setting are off. Don't do it.

Continue to do your research, find someone who is comfortable with your intent for the journey, explain to them what it is, why you want to partake, and how they will be of assistance. A trip sitter can be trained, but you can't come down once you go up, so make sure everything is ready & there will be no issues during the experience.

Again, this is all personal opinion, but to me, looking from the outside in, you're either preparing for no experience at all, or a very lacking one. Neither of which I would ever want someone to experience their first time with.

'I'm not confident.' You need to be. Ego death is a very real & very powerful experience, and without ANY prior experiences to 'compare' too, your ego is literally going to go tumbling head over heels. Continue to read up on the experience, keep checking out dosages, find a solid trip sitter, someone with experience(shrooms, LSD, LSA, even Cannabis). Just please, don't journey like you're planning too, call me crazy, but I have a notion that things will end badly.

 

[divine_sage]

You have definitely researched well and appear to have good intentions.. but I would also be wary of doing it at home with your wife. A negative energy about it can be horrifying.

Going from no alcohol to something like DMT will be very difficult but it could of course be done (disclaimer I have not done DMT, but salvia and LSA).

That said, I am also a perfectionist. Realize that you can always do more later - is there a specific reason that you don't want to try cannabis and then mushrooms or LSD?

As a perfectionist, that seems like "wanting to get the perfect experience" and not wanting to waste your time. Rest assured that no psychedelics are a waste of time, and you probably have 40+ years to deepen your experience and not be so terrified.

I do the same thing (with nutrition, working out, any kind of project I become interested in) but I feel I should warn you that some caution here is more important than most areas of life (just for your happiness, not necessarily health).

Peace to you, hope you have an amazing DMT or other experience.

 

[FiniteFox]

Thanks everybody for your comments. Can anyone speak to the length of the trip?

 

[HumbleTraveler]

I'd second the fact that you could set yourself up negatively if there's someone present that youre not comfortable with knowing about what youre doing. Do it with an empty enviornment and a clear head. It's much easier on yourself.

Also, DMT was my first altered consciousness experience. Ive never been drunk, smoked cannabis or taken any other substances.

Im a foot wetter myself, I didnt jump in on my first experience. I bought a GVG for the simple fact of its efficiency being second to none, and my first few experiences were just textbook perfection. Life changing.

Ive never done pharma and would love to for the simple fact that, as stated, smoked experience really is like being shot out of a railgun. It can get pretty chaotic and heavy very quickly and thats shaken me up a good few times. Before pharma though I plan on attempting enhanced leaf or changa.

I only use ACRB and Ive never had any experience with MHRB, I always purify out any goo just because Ive found it to absolutely wreak havoc on my throat terribly, its a horrible feeling that vaped/smoked goo can provide. A pain thats lasted me over a day.

And one more thing, and this is my take really, I wouldnt so much aim for the breakthru on the first dance. Take it a little slower. Sub-breakthrus can be even more profound and outstanding just being able to interact with this substance on a level that youre basically still present "here". Again, I have no experience with pharma and how exactly it responds and if there even is subbreakthru territory with pharma, but its just something to think about.

With that said though, if you become familiar with sub-breakthru territory and expect breakthru realm to be similar or alike, no number of sub-breakthrus will prepare you for a breakthru.

Good luck!

 

[ColorfulColorado]

Thanks everybody for your comments. Can anyone speak to the length of the trip?

Pharma can last anywhere from 2-6 or even 8 hours, I believe it can be 'extended' much in the same way an Aya journey can as well. Definitely not something you want to leave a note & disappear for, people might get worried. Have you considered a vaporized dose? You have ~3 shots to hyperspace if standard dosing rules apply with your goop, why not mix up some changa & go that route? You'd probably have a better time, could dose small to get a feel, and then titrate up as you feel necessary, or until you breakthrough, whichever comes first

There are plenty of tek's on this website pertaining to production of changa, it's a very easy process & using 'goop' is actually ideal. I'd suggest giving it a go before doing Aya. A vaped or smoked dose lasts ~10 minutes, an Aya journey lasts 4-6 hours. You pick which is better for the first timer, because it's personal preference. If you're hellbent on doing DMT with no experience, I say go for it, obviously you think you're capable of handling it, I'd just make sure you know what you're getting into beforehand, and make sure that your SET/SETTING are PERFECT before your first journey. Don't allow the experience to be tainted by nasty thoughts of a loved one who disagrees, or work the next day. Do everything in your power to make damn sure your subconscious can't wreak havoc on your conscious, because it can, and will.

Best of luck with your journey! Please tell us all about it when you come back home!

 

[Poads]

I agree with ColorfulColorado. A vaporized trip is a great way to start. It can be extremely shocking the first time and very intense, but it has a very short duration. It can help prepare you for the longer trip that comes with pharma/ayahuasca. I also believe that considering your circumstances a vaporized trip might be ideal.

 

[Global]

If you've already gone through the trouble of extracting the DMT, then it is in ideal form to be smoked/vaporized. You can reduce the nausea by eliminating the harmalas, and by putting yourself on the relatively shorter and less intense time-clock, it renders the psychological conditions of the situation a bit safer, as you can remind yourself that however bad it is at the moment, you've only got a few minutes left with whatever you've managed to conjure.

 

[FiniteFox]

Going in. Just took 3.3 g syrian rue and some candied ginger. I had a decent meal at T = -2 hours.

Update: 30 mins, the rue hasn't kicked in. I parachuted it. At 40 mins, I took 1 g extra.
IIRC, last ayahuasca attempt I didn't feel the rue for 40 mins.

Update: + 40 feel a bit of rue sluggishness, but not much. I take 100 mg of jungle spice with a coca cola.

Update x 2: Sad news, nothing happened. I'll have to go back to the drawing board. The rue never got to that stage where I feel heavy, lethargic, loopy ... drunk? At first it seemed it would turn into that but it backed off.

I'll have to analyze my dmt and my actions.

I planned and studied and worked so long to buy ingredients and extract them. Maybe I do need to fast prior to going in. Maybe I should vape the remaining 70 mg of what I thought was spice. Maybe its me?

I'm a tad bit at a loss as I though for sure I'd feel something.

Thanks for being supportive. I'm giving you all a warm virtual hug right now.

I'll need to scrape some cash together over the next few months to get the things to try again.

 

[Poads]

That's too bad. It can be very frustrating when a trip doesn't work like you expected it to. It's hard to say where you went wrong.

Next time don't parachute the rue. Make a tea instead. Or get some rue extract or something. And I wouldn't do a complete fasting, but 2 hours after a "decent meal" is too early to take DMT in my opinion. I'd eat light meals throughout the day and nothing except water for 3-4 hours before the actual trip. Also stop drinking Coke. That stuff is terrible for you.

Of course those suggestions don't explain your lack of a trip.

Was your DMT from ACRB? If it was, I've tried DMT from ACRB and found it to be VERY weak. Others will probably give you a different story. But it could explain why you were disappointed with the results. You might want to try MHRB instead if you can.

And yeah I'd go ahead and try vaping the remaining DMT. Maybe in 2 separate uses. That's the best thing you can do with it now.

Don't give up!

 

[FiniteFox]

Thanks for the suggestions. I decided that vaping would be okay after your advice, but couldn't dial in on the method and equipment. Generally, I need a good amount of time and research before pulling the trigger. I'm thinking about doing the 2 litre bottomless with tin foil method. Thoughts?

A couple notes of explanation / correction:

I have had the rue work before when parachuted , so I decided to go with that.
I read that the Coke would help the dmt, instead of drinking orange juice. Normally I never drink it.
I miss typed when I said two hours , I actually waited 3 1/2 .
And yeah, it was acrb.

One final question, how much do you have to feel the rue to get it to work or will it be effective at the proper dosage without much feeling?

 

[Entheogenerator]

The 2-liter and tin foil method is just awful... I really can't recommend it to anyone, under any circumstances. The reasoning for this is explained, in detail, in many threads throughout the forum.

Your best bet would be to use a vaporizer that utilizes convection rather than conduction to heat the spice. After trying probably 20-25 different vaporizing methods in the past, I have had fantastic results with The Machine which were only surpassed by my experiences using the GVG. :thumb_up:

 

[Bancopuma]

I would like to echo making a tea from the rue seeds, it is much more effective, easier on the stomach and very quick and easy to do. Just because you can feel the rue working on you doesn't necessarily mean it is working at a level that can result in viable MAO inhibition to allow oral DMT activity. I've had a number of past pharma experiences but my last experience just a month and a half or so ago was one of my favourites...half a teaspoon full of rue seeds prepared as a tea (a large dose perhaps, worked well though), with 100mg pure DMT crystals dissolved in a little juice and drank 40 mins later when effects from the rue were beginning to manifest. Was a very nice level of experience, and my friend had a life changing vaped breakthrough. One has the option of vaping some DMT later if the oral dose misfires for whatever reason, the combination of rue and vaping I find to be a very agreeable one and I prefer to have the plant in the background than smoking from a sober state, much less jarring I find, and much more blissful, earthy and slows the experience down and takes much of the fear away. For me anyway.

It might be wise to leave more of a gap between eating and dosing, you don't need to fast or anything but helps if stomach is empty, a four hour gap would be beneficial I think. Don't grind the seeds as makes them harder to filter and is unnecessary, and do three half hour washes in slightly acidified water (tiny drop of distilled vinegar or lemon/lime juice). Then simmer these three combined washed doen to a shot-able amount. Rue tea is bitter but my friend and I mixed it with a little grapefruit juice (also bitter) which worked really well to mask the taste, and worked well when dosing with the DMT. So I would go with something more wholesome like this than cola. I also want to echo the suggestion of a vaping session prior to give you a possible introduction. Personally I don't see your lack of experience with other substances to be a problem as you seem to have a good attitude. Better luck of next time, will be interested to hear how you get on.

 

[Poads]

A vaping method that has worked great for me if you can't get a GVG is the sandwich method. Simply take a bong/bowl normally used for marijuana, fill the very bottom of the bowl with weed/parsley, put in the dmt, then put a thick layer of weed/parsley over it.

I've heard many good things about the GVG, though I personally have never used it. The sandwich method has always worked so well for me that I see no reason to change it.

 

[FiniteFox]

Well that settles it. It definitely was lame acrb batch. I smoked 25 mg red goo from a great machine I built and nothing happened. No tingle, no buzz, nothing.

Now I just have to go through the whole deal of finding another supplier.

Thanks for your support, will try again.

 

[Poads]

Sorry to hear it fox. Do some research and look around. You have a whole lifetime to obtain the right stuff and get the extraction down. Best of luck.

 

[Spindrift]

That sounds disappointing and frustrating after all your hard work and research FiniteFox.

Please dont give up, it will all be worth it. After only just having my first experience I cannot stress enough how much having a trusted companion as a sitter helped me, so i really recommend you find someone before your next trip. good luck.