Preparing days/weeks in advance for our first launch

[YogiB]

My partner and I, though not being gifted with the spice yet, are mentally preparing. We have been waking up, doing yoga, meditating, seeing love in the eyes of every passer-by we come into contact, and living life on a regular basis with loving kindness, and complete peace.

My question, as he loves me very much, and wants to do the things I do, (he started meditating with me, and doing yoga after we met because I introduced it to him), I don't know how to be sure if he should do the spice with me the first time. He is seeking love and joy, and GOD, and meaning, just like I am, but it seems that I am his "spark". Should I be his spark into this? He says he is interested, and wants to expand and learn from this, but his drive was because of my interest, and really he isn't very well read on the matter (nor is he on spiritualism, or yoga, but does these things when I do them)

I know, difficult question, but I am sure there are some opinions out there that I would absolutely be very happy to hear, and advice that I'd be incredibly grateful for. Thank you for your time,
YogiB

 

[obliguhl]

I would advise you to try it yourself first before thinking any further at all.
That you want to prepare yourself is certainly honorable, but i wouldn't put a big fluffy cultural cocoon around something i have never experienced before. For instance, i have no clue why someone needs to be well read on spiritualism or yoga to smoke DMT.

 

[sØrce]

I haven't tried it and I can see both sides but I disagree.

I'm also mentally preparing. It seems to me that if a chemical accesses the depths of our consciousness (whether it is our own or consciousness at large will probably always remain debatable) approaching it clear-minded, with intent, and respect for our state of mind overall seems integral to me.

I've seen huge differences in the outcome for a positive, selfless, unattached person taking other psychedelics (LSD, mushrooms) vs. a self-absorbed, egotistical, afraid, materialistic reckless hedonistic preson taking the same chemical.

I've also been preparing by sleeping well, clean diet, exercise, meditation, gaining control and understanding over many aspects of my life, being mindful of my intentions, trying to eliminate any compulsive behaviours, eliminating caffeine and attuning to love and selflessness instead of self-centered egoistic patterns. Eliminating sources of instant gratification, foregoing sexual pleasure, bad habits and promoting clarity. Reinforcing and supporting neurotransmitter health as well, with herbs and holistic approaches that most people aren't aware of.

It seems to me that if a chemical or process acts to unravel egoism then doing that as much as possible ahead of time might progress one to more beautiful, eternal, infinite enlightening aspects of love.

Like the difference between getting hammered and trapped and ground up by Salvia, or her revealing infinity and basking in her compassion and nurturing love, it was in my mindset, approach, and intentions as well as other extraneous factors.

I'd see it more as lifting the cultural cloud/cocoon to promote clarity and purity.

I have a deep background in spirituality that I think will be highly conducive to reaching blissful states.

Oh I might have misinterpreted you- I'm sure anyone can smoke DMT but some might end up benefitting much more than others and affirming their already-discovered notions of what is true and eternal. Half of the banners picture a person in the lotus position, show chakra symbols and such, ganesh is on the forum entrance...

I'd advise anyone to do what they thought was right.

Edit: On a more personal note, I've seen relationship eifferences magnified under the influence of psychedelics to the point where dissolution of the relationship because of the different places they were at in terms of personal and spiritual growth/understanding, as infortunate as that might sound sometimes it seemed inevitable because people had paired up for reasons other than a deeper sense of connection or real relating.

 

[YogiB]

I would advise you to try it yourself first before thinking any further at all.
That you want to prepare yourself is certainly honorable, but i wouldn't put a big fluffy cultural cocoon around something i have never experienced before. For instance, i have no clue why someone needs to be well read on spiritualism or yoga to smoke DMT.

I'm a little confused as to your meaning with this, as I didn't state anything about yoga or spiritualism being a requirement, or "fluffy cultural cocoon's" as you have mentioned, but I do get that your opinion of this is "no, try it first". Thank you for your input!

 

[olympus mon]

Its my opinion from years of helping others and my own work that there are many ways to come to this experience and not all seem the right way to others.

I know people that only did ayahausca ceremony because her boy friend begged for weeks while she patiently waited in their hut for him as he did ceremony after ceremony. She finally did it to shut him up.

Well he has long moved on and she is still there, facilitating the groups now with hundreds of ceremony's and experience and an complete new meaning to life.

Its not as important why we come to the medicine as what the medicine has to show us. As long as he will be accountable for his choice and is ready to accept whatever the experience is, i think its a beautiful thing that he loves you so much he wants to share this experience with you. I'm really moved my this type of love and commitment and it should be honored.

He cant be holding on to your skirt through it, it must be your separate experiences just done together. You are not his life line or guide. He understands this I assume. Yes?

I am also a former skydive and base jump instructor and the exact same thing applies. People only did a 1 time jump because it was for some wedding party stag thing and didn't want to do it at all but then 5 years later are competeing at a pro level and making a living as a full time skydiver.

We all come to the medicines in a different way and I dont see any wrong ones to be honest. If a persons intentions are Fooked, the plants will straighten this out. Its all good. Always all good.

 

[YogiB]

I haven't tried it and I can see both sides but I disagree.

I'm also mentally preparing. It seems to me that if a chemical accesses the depths of our consciousness (whether it is our own or consciousness at large will probably always remain debatable) approaching it clear-minded, with intent, and respect for our state of mind overall seems integral to me.

I've seen huge differences in the outcome for a positive, selfless, unattached person taking other psychedelics (LSD, mushrooms) vs. a self-absorbed, egotistical, afraid, materialistic reckless hedonistic preson taking the same chemical.

I've also been preparing by sleeping well, clean diet, exercise, meditation, gaining control and understanding over many aspects of my life, being mindful of my intentions, trying to eliminate any compulsive behaviours, eliminating caffeine and attuning to love and selflessness instead of self-centered egoistic patterns. Eliminating sources of instant gratification, foregoing sexual pleasure, bad habits and promoting clarity. Reinforcing and supporting neurotransmitter health as well, with herbs and holistic approaches that most people aren't aware of.

It seems to me that if a chemical or process acts to unravel egoism then doing that as much as possible ahead of time might progress one to more beautiful, eternal, infinite enlightening aspects of love.

Like the difference between getting hammered and trapped and ground up by Salvia, or her revealing infinity and basking in her compassion and nurturing love, it was in my mindset, approach, and intentions as well as other extraneous factors.

I'd see it more as lifting the cultural cloud/cocoon to promote clarity and purity.

I have a deep background in spirituality that I think will be highly conducive to reaching blissful states.

Oh I might have misinterpreted you- I'm sure anyone can smoke DMT but some might end up benefitting much more than others and affirming their already-discovered notions of what is true and eternal. Half of the banners picture a person in the lotus position, show chakra symbols and such, ganesh is on the forum entrance...

I'd advise anyone to do what they thought was right.

Edit: On a more personal note, I've seen relationship eifferences magnified under the influence of psychedelics to the point where dissolution of the relationship because of the different places they were at in terms of personal and spiritual growth/understanding, as infortunate as that might sound sometimes it seemed inevitable because people had paired up for reasons other than a deeper sense of connection or real relating.

WOW, and WOW! Thank you so much for paying attention to the depth of my question. You have answered a lot more than expected and I really appreciate it! I have such an incredibly honest relationship with him that we will discuss it much more in depth before either of us take that step, and together. Your opinion on this is invaluable!

I see life, and everything in it as being a part of a larger more spiritual purpose. From the mundane ego, to looking at others selflessly, to making mistakes, all the way down to taking a shit, it's all a path we are on, every step of the way. My being not "in control" but not "OUT of control" is something I have totally allowed myself to be present in. But, being imperfect, I would hate to make a mistake and take someone on a journey naively because they say they "want to". I now understand why this should not be spread to the masses, as I never having done it, am already aware of, or have a feeling, of some of the repercussions.

 

[YogiB]

Its my opinion from years of helping others and my own work that there are many ways to come to this experience and not all seem the right way to others.

I know people that only did ayahausca ceremony because her boy friend begged for weeks while she patiently waited in their hut for him as he did ceremony after ceremony. She finally did it to shut him up.

Well he has long moved on and she is still there, facilitating the groups now with hundreds of ceremony's and experience and an complete new meaning to life.

Its not as important why we come to the medicine as what the medicine has to show us. As long as he will be accountable for his choice and is ready to accept whatever the experience is, i think its a beautiful thing that he loves you so much he wants to share this experience with you. I'm really moved my this type of love and commitment and it should be honored.

He cant be holding on to your skirt through it, it must be your separate experiences just done together. You are not his life line or guide. He understands this I assume. Yes?

I am also a former skydive and base jump instructor and the exact same thing applies. People only did a 1 time jump because it was for some wedding party stag thing and didn't want to do it at all but then 5 years later are competeing at a pro level and making a living as a full time skydiver.

We all come to the medicines in a different way and I dont see any wrong ones to be honest. If a persons intentions are Fooked, the plants will straighten this out. Its all good. Always all good.

Beautifully spoken! That was much needed logic, and completes my questioning state of mind on this! Thank you!