Preparing salvia like we prepare ayahuasca

[dmtmd]

I recently ordered 3 salvia plants so I will be putting this theory to the test over the next few months.
I have been looking into the salvia routes of administration and none seem to be ideal. Quidding gets mixed results and is difficult to perform, tea seems to be too weak, and I don't like any form of smoking for health reasons. Additionally tinctures seems almost universally to lead to disappointment.

So I was looking at the tea method and had a few ideas. Obviously salvinorin is soluble in water even at normal temperatures because of that one study that shows salvinorin content can be lost while washing the leaves. So at boiling temperature for a series of several washes over a long period of time I don't think its unreasonable that almost all of the salvinorin could be pulled into water. This water could then be boiled down (like ayahuasca) and rinsed around in a mouth (that was already treated with listerine) and then swallowed.

Im just wondering if anyone has tried something similar, thank you!

 

[jamie]

salvinorin is hardly water soluble..the amount lost washing leaves is minimal. I know from experience.

 

[dmtmd]

Thanks for your input jamie, I was actually just reading your wonderful salviahuasca thread. Im still going to give it a try because I think boiling water will increase solubility. Im curoius, have you ever tried quidding the crude extract (extract salvia leaves with iso then evap)? I think it would be a good way to get a high dose without all the plant matter.

 

[starway6]

I don't like any form of smoking for health reasons. Additionally tinctures seems almost universally to lead to disappointment.

I dont like inhaling combustables either but in case you ever want to try smoking ..just think about how much air polution a person breaths iin every day with..factorys,, cars and trucks everywhere a smoking session a couple times a week or month is nothing compaired to what you unconsciously breath in every day not smoking...

Also to get more out of your salvia never smoke plain leaf.. because it takes a huge volume of smoke to get any effects..

I would instead make an extract of your salvia leaf and enhanse a very small amount of crushed SD leaf and make a 2x..or 3x..or higher potency of your choice..

Then you can smoke your salvia and get effects from ..[a little pinch at a time]..instead of tourching a couple bowls of plain leaf that will produce a huge amount of combusted smoke..

To further make your smoking a little cleaner you may want to smoke through a water pipe...

Just one idea to make smoking a little cleaner..

 

[jamie]

I don't see an issue with just eating the leaves personally. Even boiled water wont removed much salvinorin. It's just not all that water soluble.

Eating the leaves is the most effective way to use it that I have tried.

 

[new_khemetian]

I have been looking into the salvia routes of administration and none seem to be ideal. Quidding gets mixed results and is difficult to perform, tea seems to be too weak, and I don't like any form of smoking for health reasons. Additionally tinctures seems almost universally to lead to disappointment.

I do not like smoking either and salvia is not very water soluable, hence tea may be a hit and miss affair for some. I understand that quidding can give mixed results because most standard advocated method being cleaning under the tongue, chewing slowly over several minutes, and absorb active constituents sub-lingually. I found that this method was very ineffective for me because of the natural process of producing lots of saliva which mixed with the quid. Another method of quidding I found to be much more potent was a modified bucal approach (hope I spelt it correctly). Cleaning the mouth by brushing (especially the inner cheeks) and rinsing with mouthwash is still paramount. I chewed fresh leaves quickly and continuously for a minute or so, and then kept the well chewed quid in the mouth against the inner cheeks (like a hamster :lol: ) rather than under the tongue. Keep as much saliva away from the quid as possible. I do not know if it can be done with dried leaves, but it worked for me very well. In my humble opinion freshly picked leaves is an important part of the process. I found I was much more able to keep the saliva away from the quid thus enhancing the result greatly when compared to under the tongue. Every now and then, move the quid in the cheeks to help with maximum absorption. I believe that the active compound was not overly diluted by saliva and the effects started within 5-10 minutes. Try the bucal method before giving up on quidding, as it worked potently for me and it was easier than the standard method.

 

[jamie]

quidding has never been hit or miss for me. It works very consistently.

 

[new_khemetian]

quidding has never been hit or miss for me. It works very consistently.

I was referring to the tea method as being hit or miss for some users. Have you tried salvia as a tea, and did it work for you? How does the tea method compare to eating the leaves (something I have never done), or quidding?

As for quidding, the bucal method of quidding is also consistently very effective for me too, just as the standard method is for some others(I am assuming you use the standard sub-lingual method, but please correct me if I am wrong) Just to clarify, although eating salvia straight down is easily an acceptable method, my understanding is that this is not actually quidding. The quid is usually chewed in the mouth but not swallowed (like chewing tobacco but please correct me with an example/reference if I am mistaken). I am offering a slightly different method of quidding that in my experience was easier to apply and more effective/potent. By my reasoning, the saliva may slow down the absorption rate/level of the active ingredients in the salvia quid and unfortunately I could not stop or redirect the saliva from mixing with the quid under the tongue using the standard method. In both methods, the quid is usually discarded afterwards. I hope dmtmd will give the bucal method of quidding a try to see if it works for him as a possible solution. Give the bucal method a try for yourself and let us know if there is any difference in the intensity/quality of the experience. (I assume you are using fresh leaves too). Remember to keep as much saliva away from the quid as possible if you do try the bucal method.

I recently ordered 3 salvia plants so I will be putting this theory to the test over the next few months.......

Please let me know how well it goes as I am curious to know if another method will work. Even though a salvia plant can get quite big, I understand why you will need three. Should you need even more, research how to take cutting and propagate salvia.