TEK Primitive A/B

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diethyl ether is also not too many steps away from ethanol if you have distillation apparatus..

Oh really? That's great to know. I'll keep that in mind.

I picked up some distilled turpentine from a craft store today to do some solubility tests. I put 500mg of benzoic acid, DMT freebase, and DMT-benzoate into 10ml each of turpentine. Several hours later I filtered the turpentine through a 0.22 micron syringe filter to a clean vial and weighed the undissolved mass. It's not analytical precision -- some loss in the needle, filter, syringe, residue in the vials.


Benzoic acid: 10mg/ml (left)
DMT freebase: 22mg/ml (middle)
DMT-benzoate: no data (right)

I couldn't adequately separate dmt-benzoate with my syringe, but visually we can see it's mostly insoluble.

I used the filtered BA and freebase solutions to verify that combining them indeed precipitates DMT-benzoate as expected.
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[Toshido]

diethyl ether is also not too many steps away from ethanol if you have distillation apparatus.. and aside from obvious safety risks (EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE) its a very effective solvent. The safety risks are of course crucial to be aware of if you ever went that path. Not recommending this to a novice but just something I thought I'd add. Once your in the realm of distillation it would be kinda wierd to stop at turpentine as there are much better solvents.

@acacian

Is diethyl ether more effective than naphtha and heptane? I'm aware of how low it's flash point is. I was also watching that Shulgin Documentary called Dirty Pictures where the cops are freaking out that he's feeding the fire in his wood stove not 10 ft away from a big vat of ether lol.

I only ask because I've had diethyl ether laying around for years (I burp it from time to time) and I've never thought to use it for extraction. Don't mean to hijack the thread, was just curious about that.

 

[PedroSanchez]

glad to see you started this!
i doubt i will be able to add much, my chemistry knowledge is poor. maybe i can add something to the "primitive" aspect though.
i will be following closely though! thank you for tagging me

 

[acacian]

@acacian

Is diethyl ether more effective than naphtha and heptane? I'm aware of how low it's flash point is. I was also watching that Shulgin Documentary called Dirty Pictures where the cops are freaking out that he's feeding the fire in his wood stove not 10 ft away from a big vat of ether lol.

I only ask because I've had diethyl ether laying around for years (I burp it from time to time) and I've never thought to use it for extraction. Don't mean to hijack the thread, was just curious about that.

It’s very effective as far as holding capacity but would be more for full spectrum extracts .. not selective like naptha or heptane. But I brought it up not to recommend it over those solvents but more just to point out a solvent that’s structurally very close to ethanol. If doing a tek like this your probably not going for ultra pure crystals.

 

[acacian]

@acacian

Is diethyl ether more effective than naphtha and heptane? I'm aware of how low it's flash point is. I was also watching that Shulgin Documentary called Dirty Pictures where the cops are freaking out that he's feeding the fire in his wood stove not 10 ft away from a big vat of ether lol.

I only ask because I've had diethyl ether laying around for years (I burp it from time to time) and I've never thought to use it for extraction. Don't mean to hijack the thread, was just curious about that.

It’s not something you should ever use unless you know what you’re doing. It is incredibly flammable.. I’m not talking putting a lighter to it and it going up.. it can go up from a much more distant ignition source.

 

[Transform]

I've had diethyl ether laying around for years (I burp it from time to time) and I've never thought to use it for extraction.

Erm, you might want to get rid of that stuff. What you have there is a perfect recipe for making explosive diethyl ether peroxide. On no account must you put it into a situation where it will evaporate to dryness in an enclosed space and/or glass vessel.

The formation of peroxides is one major drawback of ether usage, on top of its extreme flammability, low ignition temperature, and capacity for its vapour to form explosive mixtures with air.

That said, I somehow managed to avoid blowing myself up during my foolish youthful days huffing the stuff (unless I didn't notice and this is either heaven or hell )

 

[PedroSanchez]

Right now the idea is to distill it with modern cookware and condensers, unless anyone has an idea how to do that primitively.

maybe this can help? you would need to make the clay pot at the bottom and cleaning and firing it is a slow process. the rest seems pretty straight forward though. i have a little experience harvesting, cleaning and firing clay in the wild if you need pointing in the right direction, but my experience is very limited and there are lots of great resources for that.