Problem with the amount of water used in the AB extraction method

[sunset35]

I am performing a dmt extraction using the AB extraction method. I want to concentrate the initial dmt acid solution to ease the later process. So I have two questions.
First, when extracting with the ab extraction method, there are different regulations for the amount of water, but is it okay to use extremely little water?
Second, can I increase the dmt permeability (dmt concentration rate) by opening the lid of the container containing the dmt acid solution and allowing the water to evaporate?

 

[Varallo]

There’s a practical minimum to how little water you can use in the process. The goal is to fully dissolve the DMT into the solution and then separate the liquid from the bark. However, some water will inevitably remain trapped in the bark. To maximize the amount of DMT extracted, it’s important to maintain a ratio that allows for efficient separation and recovery.
The key to maximizing yield lies in balancing the amount of water used per cycle. Too much water dilutes the solution and makes handling more cumbersome, while too little water risks leaving a significant portion of DMT in the bark. Multiple cycles ensure that nearly all the DMT is extracted while maintaining manageable solution volumes.
To then further reduce the amount of liquid you can simmer your extract and to speed things up add a fan to reduce as fast as possible, this does not seem to reduce your yields.

So if you would know how much of the dmt is retained in your system then you could calculate your total amounts, take into account that some water will stay in the bark, furthermore DMT solubility is very good so I would say that this would not limit your ability to use a limited amount of water.

Anyway if you have problems calculating your amounts let me know where you need some help

 

[Transform]

Cooling concentrated (filtered) bark tea leads to dense tannin precipitation and traps more DMT than the corresponding sediment from a more dilute brew.

 

[ladylokz79]

There’s a practical minimum to how little water you can use in the process. The goal is to fully dissolve the DMT into the solution and then separate the liquid from the bark. However, some water will inevitably remain trapped in the bark. To maximize the amount of DMT extracted, it’s important to maintain a ratio that allows for efficient separation and recovery.
The key to maximizing yield lies in balancing the amount of water used per cycle. Too much water dilutes the solution and makes handling more cumbersome, while too little water risks leaving a significant portion of DMT in the bark. Multiple cycles ensure that nearly all the DMT is extracted while maintaining manageable solution volumes.
To then further reduce the amount of liquid you can simmer your extract and to speed things up add a fan to reduce as fast as possible, this does not seem to reduce your yields.

So if you would know how much of the dmt is retained in your system then you could calculate your total amounts, take into account that some water will stay in the bark, furthermore DMT solubility is very good so I would say that this would not limit your ability to use a limited amount of water.

Anyway if you have problems calculating your amounts let me know where you need some help

I have a broken jar that was mixed in a bucket warm bath I lifted the jar bottom fell out into the warm bath water and here I sit used the wrong type of naphtha from Home Depot add lighter fluid after I seen no results and here I sit with lil jars looks like dmt extraction process but don’t know how to get rid of this extra extra water.

 

[EmeraldAtomiser]

Cooling concentrated (filtered) bark tea leads to dense tannin precipitation and traps more DMT than the corresponding sediment from a more dilute brew.

That is extremely interesting. I've often wondered if that sediment I was throwing away had anything in it.

 

[Transform]

That is extremely interesting. I've often wondered if that sediment I was throwing away had anything in it.

Have a think about it - a given mass of tannin will trap some specific volume of liquid. If that liquid is more concentrated, it will contain more DMT than a similar volume of more dilute brew does.

This doesn't necessarily mean that it would be worth attempting to recover the DMT by any method other than, say, a quick rinse with ice-cold water on a vacuum filter, but it still counts as a loss if not recovered.

 

[EmeraldAtomiser]

I didn't realise that tannins would behave in this way, so I just thought that the sediment was just very fine solid that hadn't been caught by the filtering.

 

[Transform]

I didn't realise that tannins would behave in this way, so I just thought that the sediment was just very fine solid that hadn't been caught by the filtering.

I've noticed this when trying to filter a hot brew. The tannins precipitated inside the filter paper itself during the inevitable cooling, producing an essentially impenetrable membrane.

 

[EmeraldAtomiser]

I don't bother trying to filter any more, just leave the brew for the sediment to drop out.

 

[Transform]

I don't bother trying to filter any more, just leave the brew for the sediment to drop out.

Haha, exactly!

It was an experiment, anyhow

 

[ladylokz79]

Trail and error thanks

 

[Transform]

Trail and error thanks

sorry your question

I have a broken jar that was mixed in a bucket warm bath I lifted the jar bottom fell out into the warm bath water and here I sit used the wrong type of naphtha from Home Depot add lighter fluid after I seen no results and here I sit with lil jars looks like dmt extraction process but don’t know how to get rid of this extra extra water.

got rather overlooked. Hope it's worked out for you. The extra water shouldn't really matter.