Problems with MHRB extraction

[SalvadorDali]

Hi there fellow DMT enthousiasts,

This is my first post, so let me start of by saying that i love the nexus and all of its features. It has a beautifull art section, lots of information about all kinds of information and a great community of helpfull members!

After the first time i tried DMT, i was blown away by the truly wonderfull and intense experience i just witnessed. A new dimension opened up to me and i saw beautifull things i never even dreamed of. I was so enthousiastic after this amazing inner journy that i decided to make a batch for me and my friends so i could share this wonderfull expierence with them.

So i began to read through all the DMT extraction teks on this site and decided to go for the A/B tek used in the DMT Handbook. I followed all the instructions exactly as stated with a few acceptions:

- instead of Shellite for extraction is chose Ecological Washbenzene, which is a high grade form of benzene with a safe MSDS, containing nothing but C10-13 and perfume

- i used 1KG instead of 2KG of MHRB inner root bark and therefore scaled down on all other ingredients as well (boiled the MHRB acid cook down to 1L instead of 2L, used 100g of NaOH instead of 200g and used 0,5L of washbenzin instead of 1L for extraction)

Everything seemed to go perfect. However when i arrived at the last part of the process, the freeze perception, something turned out to be wrong. When the washbenzene cooled, there was no DMT crashing out of the solution! All i got was a very yellow transparent liquid, consisting of mainly washbenzene and a little bit of some other oil like substance, which could be a DMT-oxide impurity i guess.

Does anyone might know what i did wrong here? All suggestions are welcome!

Salvador Dali

 

[SalvadorDali]

Oops, should have posted this in the official dmt extraction help thread of course. Stupid one time beginners mistake! Maybe a moderator can move it to overthere?

 

[1ce]

Benzene has a high enough freezing point that shouldn't be an issue. Did you reduce the volume of your solvent? That may help.

Benzene freezes high enough the oil-like substance could b3 the 'perfume'.

You can try acidifying the DMT with a small warm acid solution. Maybe convert it to DMT acetate or citrate. Then rebase and pull with conservative amounts of a different solvent.

You shouldn't extract so much your first time --in-case things do go sour.

 

[Earthwalker]

Benzene has a high enough freezing point that shouldn't be an issue. Did you reduce the volume of your solvent? That may help.

Benzene freezes high enough the oil-like substance could b3 the 'perfume'.

You can try acidifying the DMT with a small warm acid solution. Maybe convert it to DMT acetate or citrate. Then rebase and pull with conservative amounts of a different solvent.

You shouldn't extract so much your first time --in-case things do go sour.

As ice suggested above ^^^^^. Do small extractions until you're confident !! So just collect all solvent add to acidified water mix then mix , separate x 10 pull old solvent and discard then rebase water add shellite mix repull then pre-evape about half the shellite then freeze precipe or just evap then scrap !!

 

[1ce]

Benzene can take some patience to work with. When you do your nonpolar pulls maybe try naptha instead =]

 

[MultiDimensionalTherapy]

also, apply much more base. i doubt that with 100g naoh that you properly based 1 kg of rootbark

 

[1ce]

^ expanding onto that. I don't think you can over-base it.

 

[SalvadorDali]

Thank you guys for all the help, you have proven once again how awesome this community is!

I wish i could use naptha as a solvent and searched all over for it, but it can't be bought in my region unfortunately! However, i've read somewhere on the nexus that Coleman Fuel also acts as a great solvent, so maybe i could use this instead? And about the amount of NaOH to be used, how much more should i have added? Because i kept the basified bark tea and could of course heat it up in a hot water bath, add some more NaOH to it and use the old 0,5L very yellow transparent washbenzene for extraction before converting it back to a acidic solution. Or should i use another clean 0,5L of washbenzene for doing this?

You guys are really helping me out here! Thanks again!

Love,

SD

 

[MultiDimensionalTherapy]

:thumb_up:

 

[d*l*b]

i would add at least more 400g of naoh. most people uses same weight as bark, but when it comes to such big quantities, i think you dont need so much, if you let it react for enough time

You shouldn’t need 500g total NaOH to base 1L liquid (OP is talking about A/B), possibly with an STB on that amount. It just needs to get to the point that the liquid goes black (~pH12 or so). Years since I have tried such a thing, save such stuff for the new and a bit too excited!

@SalvadorDali

Large extractions are a lot more work and, for the new, risk large losses. Better to split what you have and learn from what you do to improve next time. As has already been mentioned, split it down and work on smaller amounts. Your non-polar solvent sounds a bit dodgy too, you don’t want perfumes in your extraction!

 

[Spiritofspice]

Your solvent contains perfume that's bad.

 

[1ce]

Your solvent contains perfume that's bad.

I would back salt into an acid solution discard the solvent then base again and pull with shellite.

My ratios for extraction are as follows.
100g root bark
300mls water
30g naoh
With 200 ml of solvent each pull.

And I shake the crap out of the thing every pull.

200ml solvent?? Why so much? I use like 50ml for an extraction that size. 4 pulls and shes done.

I'll stopper a filter flask, hook that up to a vacuume and reduce the solvent with a warm water bath.

 

[1ce]

With MHRB I'd do a stb. Following my own technique I got quite a pure product.

I've been playing with a lot of different ideas. I did this with humble naptha if that helps.

 

[sbc1]

Nice crystals 1 centre, what's your own technique if you don't mind me asking

 

[1ce]

It's pretty complicated I think I've worked out all the kinks. I plan on posting a thread about it next week with a hella lotta pics.

 

[sbc1]

Ha, yeah please do will be nice to see another new tek

 

[sbc1]

And the previous message was supposed to say 1ce not 1 centre, on my phone

 

[1ce]

!

My technique focuses on removing impurities from the get-go. I like the glass shards. They smoke smooth as HELL, they're harder to burn, and very potent.

It's not a fast process but the 2 steps are: bright white xtals to clear shards.

 

[sbc1]

cant wait for your post then, i do the mini a/b from earthwalkers tek which i get white fluffy crystals but not glass like yours

 

[1ce]

I'll be doing my next batch next week. That's when I'll post.

Edit: I tried alot of different ideas, I believe I found what works best for me.