maranello551
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Which do you guys prefer and why?
Feel free to mention any significant experiences comparing the two.
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Psilohuasca vs Aya/Pharmahuasca
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I'd like to hear more about this as well. I myself have recently been thinking about delving into the Shroomy world and being a fan Ayahuasca/Anahuasca, am very interested in learning more about Psilohuasca 
One thing i'd like to know is if there is still a tolerance buildup when Shrooms are combined with the Harmalas, or if there would be a reverse tolerance due to the upregulation of the 5-HT2A receptors and such thus making you more sensitive to the mushies.
Another thing i'd like to know, while not necessarily Shroom-related, is if by taking the Harmalas with either DMT or Psilocybin/Psilocin, would there be more/increased 5-HT2A receptors in the brain (compared to other receptors) due to combined use of something that works on 5-HT2A receptors along with MAO-A inhibition, since MAO-A inhibition allows for the buildup of neurotransmitters as well as apparently creates/allows for new/more receptor sites to deal with the increase in neurotransmitters? If that stood true, then i'd also imagine Mescaline combined with Harmalas could perhaps do the same, increasing the amount of one's 5-HT2A receptor sites, more than other receptor sites.
One thing i'd like to know is if there is still a tolerance buildup when Shrooms are combined with the Harmalas, or if there would be a reverse tolerance due to the upregulation of the 5-HT2A receptors and such thus making you more sensitive to the mushies.
Another thing i'd like to know, while not necessarily Shroom-related, is if by taking the Harmalas with either DMT or Psilocybin/Psilocin, would there be more/increased 5-HT2A receptors in the brain (compared to other receptors) due to combined use of something that works on 5-HT2A receptors along with MAO-A inhibition, since MAO-A inhibition allows for the buildup of neurotransmitters as well as apparently creates/allows for new/more receptor sites to deal with the increase in neurotransmitters? If that stood true, then i'd also imagine Mescaline combined with Harmalas could perhaps do the same, increasing the amount of one's 5-HT2A receptor sites, more than other receptor sites.
maranello551
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Both good question's I'd also like to know the answers to.
Unfortunately, my penguin has only tried rue psilo so he has no insight on caapi psilo and the only time he has taken psilo within a few days, he took large doses on both those days (Day 1: 2-3g rue, 10g dry cubes; Next day or 2 days later: 2-3g rue, 7-8g dry cubes) so it was difficult to say how large of a factor tolerance was. :/
I can say however that his 2-3g/7-8g experience was nowhere near as strong as the 10g one, nor was it as strong as a 2-3/5g psilo he had with minimal tolerance about a year later, though different cubes were used (although this may or may not make a significant difference.)
Looking forward to more insight and experience on Aya/Ana/Pharma vs Psilo.
Unfortunately, my penguin has only tried rue psilo so he has no insight on caapi psilo and the only time he has taken psilo within a few days, he took large doses on both those days (Day 1: 2-3g rue, 10g dry cubes; Next day or 2 days later: 2-3g rue, 7-8g dry cubes) so it was difficult to say how large of a factor tolerance was. :/
I can say however that his 2-3g/7-8g experience was nowhere near as strong as the 10g one, nor was it as strong as a 2-3/5g psilo he had with minimal tolerance about a year later, though different cubes were used (although this may or may not make a significant difference.)
Looking forward to more insight and experience on Aya/Ana/Pharma vs Psilo.
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Both can be used as equally useful tools, each serving their own unique purpose.
For me, psilocybin/psilocin tend to be more of a catylyst for deep introspection and personal analysis. The reason for this is that I feel like I have a little bit more say in where the journey takes me. For example: if there is some specific aspect of my life or self that I want to reflect on, it seems easier to zero in on that and allow that to be the focus of the experience.
It seems that aya/ana/pharmahuasca is more along the lines of "buckle up, relenquish every last drop of perceived control, and see where the journey heads". This can be useful for unraveling issues buried deep in the subconscious and may not have been apparent prior to the experience.
Though both do have the potential to be used for either purpose, this is just my take on the matter. It is also only a mere two examples of the countless ways in which these medicines can be utilized to work towards mental, moral, and spiritual growth.
For me, psilocybin/psilocin tend to be more of a catylyst for deep introspection and personal analysis. The reason for this is that I feel like I have a little bit more say in where the journey takes me. For example: if there is some specific aspect of my life or self that I want to reflect on, it seems easier to zero in on that and allow that to be the focus of the experience.
It seems that aya/ana/pharmahuasca is more along the lines of "buckle up, relenquish every last drop of perceived control, and see where the journey heads". This can be useful for unraveling issues buried deep in the subconscious and may not have been apparent prior to the experience.
Though both do have the potential to be used for either purpose, this is just my take on the matter. It is also only a mere two examples of the countless ways in which these medicines can be utilized to work towards mental, moral, and spiritual growth.
I took 2gr dried shrooms with 3-5gr Rue tea for 5 days in a row. The last session was like 30-40% of the intensity of the first one.
Without Rue i doubt i would have felt the second dose at all.
When i take shrooms usually i feel down afterwards (not only tired but feels like serotonin is exhausted). This 'down' lasts 24h max.
When i combine the Shrooms with Rue, the afterglow lasts for days + it gives me more energy.
Feels like an increase in serotonin production.
Without Rue i doubt i would have felt the second dose at all.
When i take shrooms usually i feel down afterwards (not only tired but feels like serotonin is exhausted). This 'down' lasts 24h max.
When i combine the Shrooms with Rue, the afterglow lasts for days + it gives me more energy.
Feels like an increase in serotonin production.
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10g of dried cubes taken with 3 grams of rue would rock the foundations of reality for hours.
I can handle that dose but with the rue I would most likely black out or not remember much.
Are you sure you dosed 10g cubes with 3g of rue that is a big dose with no tolerance.
Did you vomit at any stage because I do when I combine rue and mushrooms.
I can handle that dose but with the rue I would most likely black out or not remember much.
Are you sure you dosed 10g cubes with 3g of rue that is a big dose with no tolerance.
Did you vomit at any stage because I do when I combine rue and mushrooms.
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Yes. My penguin was young and wanted to experience the cray. Weighed out the dose. They were some top notch boomers too.
He in fact doesn't remember parts of the experience. Things got intense fast. OEV's were ridiculous. CEV's felt like he was dying over and over while moving through a sort of flowing grid of life. Sat in a parking lot (with friends around him) in full daylight half-lotus position, worshipping the Sun. All this from a young 19 year old penguin who doesn't do yoga or meditate.
The cray did indeed happen. To powerful to enjoy at the moment. Much to look back on and appreciate about the experience.
The "rude (rued)" 7-8 g's he had the urge to take the next day were still on a level far beyond 7g of cubes alone ( lasted about 40% longer and the experience was about 25% stronger). With that tolerance though it was not overwhelming. (Could have driven fine.)
He in fact doesn't remember parts of the experience. Things got intense fast. OEV's were ridiculous. CEV's felt like he was dying over and over while moving through a sort of flowing grid of life. Sat in a parking lot (with friends around him) in full daylight half-lotus position, worshipping the Sun. All this from a young 19 year old penguin who doesn't do yoga or meditate.
The cray did indeed happen. To powerful to enjoy at the moment. Much to look back on and appreciate about the experience.
The "rude (rued)" 7-8 g's he had the urge to take the next day were still on a level far beyond 7g of cubes alone ( lasted about 40% longer and the experience was about 25% stronger). With that tolerance though it was not overwhelming. (Could have driven fine.)
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10gs??? My goodness. Was that.... enjoyable? I've never gone over about 5g. It just seems as though it may be over stimulating to the point where it is hard to learn the lesson.
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Enjoyable...mmmm, maybe in the way dying, going to heaven and coming back would be enjoyable. It was frightening "thinking" my time on earth was over.
I feel like at that dose, there's such a high density of lessons downloaded into the user, that he/she is bound to return with many of them even subconsciously embedded in their psyche/soul. Just my 2 cents.
I feel like at that dose, there's such a high density of lessons downloaded into the user, that he/she is bound to return with many of them even subconsciously embedded in their psyche/soul. Just my 2 cents.
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Hey there! I tried my first aya analog yesterday. I believe many would consider it a light dose. 2.5 grams of rue, 2 grams Acacia confusa, 2 grans rieshi, a little cinnamon and honey for flavor. I let it simmer for about 8 hours. The taste wasnt bad at all. I did not purge.
It was fantastic! The best comparison I have:
If smoked spice is like an intense amusement park ride, then this was like floating in a raft on a warm, late-summer evening while watching a blissful sunset.
This is my only aya experience, but certainly not the last. I hear that higher doses can have different effects. If you can manage 10g of shrooms, I'm sure You can handle aya. If you feel hesitant, start with a low dose like I did.
It was fantastic! The best comparison I have:
If smoked spice is like an intense amusement park ride, then this was like floating in a raft on a warm, late-summer evening while watching a blissful sunset.
This is my only aya experience, but certainly not the last. I hear that higher doses can have different effects. If you can manage 10g of shrooms, I'm sure You can handle aya. If you feel hesitant, start with a low dose like I did.
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Did you miss my earlier response? The only difference I notice between psilocin/psilocybin alone and psilocybe mushrooms combined with harmala alkaloids is a slightly longer duration, less psilocybe mushrooms needed for similar effect, and a very subtle dream-like haze from the harmalas (much moreso than I typically experience from psilocybe mushrooms alone.maranello551 said:
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That's what my first post was about... Having more control over the experience with one than with the other, a very significant difference between the two. In fact one of the most significant differences between the two, in my opinion/experience.maranello551 said:
What is your prior experience with these things? Have you used DMT or psilocybin without RIMA's?
Are you asking about subjective effects (i.e. OEV's/CEV's, bodily sensations, etc.)? Objective effects (i.e. raised blood-pressure and pulse, dilated pupils, compromised motor control, etc.)? People experience these things differently, so nobody can really say "when you take substance x you will experience this, and when you take substance y you will experience that", but I'm willing to share my experience with you if you can be a little more specific.
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My penguin has vaped DMT and used psilocybin with and without an RIMA (peganum harmala only so far). He made an attempt at mimohuasca (P. Harmala + MHRB) but for some reason it seemed to have no effect besides throwing up (purging?) He also make an attempt at a pharmahuasca with DMT and P. Harmala which again seemed to have little or no effect until he ingested around 1.6g of cubensis. The experience then began in a fashion that was qualitatively different from either that of mushrooms alone or mushrooms + RIMA/MAOI. He could feel a slight DMT quality being added to the mushroom experience (but just barely.)
One thing he found pleasant was smoking crushed B. Caapi leaves with the spice sprinkled on top. He found it turned the experience from that of a normal vaped one to the one of change as far as reports describe it (even without an acohol infusion of the spice into the leaf.) Definitely a smooth, gentle, spirit-guided guality added to it. Beautiful.
I was interested in knowing mostly the differences in CEV's/OEV's and perspective changes that mush+rima provides in comparison to thos eprovided by the different "huascas"
Do the huascas have a large variation in visuals too depending on the ingredients? I.E. Caapi vs Rue or Mimosa vs psychotria vs pure spice?
One thing he found pleasant was smoking crushed B. Caapi leaves with the spice sprinkled on top. He found it turned the experience from that of a normal vaped one to the one of change as far as reports describe it (even without an acohol infusion of the spice into the leaf.) Definitely a smooth, gentle, spirit-guided guality added to it. Beautiful.
I was interested in knowing mostly the differences in CEV's/OEV's and perspective changes that mush+rima provides in comparison to thos eprovided by the different "huascas"
Do the huascas have a large variation in visuals too depending on the ingredients? I.E. Caapi vs Rue or Mimosa vs psychotria vs pure spice?
Well, i for one think Psilohuasca is a really good idea. While i've only experienced Ayahuasca, i personally think the use of Psilocybin mushrooms instead of DMT-containing plants is a more economical type choice since one can grow their own Shrooms in a short amount of time compared to having to grow DMT-containing plants for years and years and years and only being able to harvest a little at a time, Shrooms just seem to be the cheaper and faster choice.
Plus they of course work without the need for MAO-A inhibition, so naturally if one wanted to just take the Shrooms instead of Psilohuasca, then they could, no problem.
Also the idea of a reverse tolerance when it comes to Psilohuasca, due to the Harmalas being able to upregulate the Serotonin receptors, is a really cool idea because for one it ensures only a small amount of Shrooms are needed, but also because if you wanted to, you could then take them anytime you wanted to because there'd be no tolerance buildup.
As for the duration of the Psilohuasca, they say it's duration is a couple or so hours longer, which i personally like the sound of.
Ultimately, i can't wait to one day get started with Psilohuasca, and look forward to experiencing it. Plus, in my view, Psilohuasca could perhaps be used more frequently while the Ayahuasca with the DMT could be used rarely, or one could even mix the two. I can't wait to give it a try.
Plus they of course work without the need for MAO-A inhibition, so naturally if one wanted to just take the Shrooms instead of Psilohuasca, then they could, no problem.
Also the idea of a reverse tolerance when it comes to Psilohuasca, due to the Harmalas being able to upregulate the Serotonin receptors, is a really cool idea because for one it ensures only a small amount of Shrooms are needed, but also because if you wanted to, you could then take them anytime you wanted to because there'd be no tolerance buildup.
As for the duration of the Psilohuasca, they say it's duration is a couple or so hours longer, which i personally like the sound of.
Ultimately, i can't wait to one day get started with Psilohuasca, and look forward to experiencing it. Plus, in my view, Psilohuasca could perhaps be used more frequently while the Ayahuasca with the DMT could be used rarely, or one could even mix the two. I can't wait to give it a try.
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