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pure dmt vs. junglespice
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seriously... search around this forum.
There's so much information and experience reports of the differences between the two. It also seems very down to personal preference so to experience it yourself is very necassary.
There's so much information and experience reports of the differences between the two. It also seems very down to personal preference so to experience it yourself is very necassary.
Dimitri-Trance
Rising Star
mothballz said:
Haha thats a funny question.:roll:
Its like whats better/stronger...Lsd or Mushrooms....Peyote or Ayahuasca....You get the point.8)
Altho you can answer that question yourself...not us.
It's pretty much already been said, but the term "better" has no meaning. Better is a relative term, better for what? better for whom? better in what sense? Would you really say drug A is good but drug B is better? No, you'd probably say drug A does such and such and drug B does such and such, then, based on whatever you're looking for at a given time you make your choice as to which one is "better" for your circumstances at a given time. You should do some reading, these topics get brought up all the time. Take a look at how spice and jungle spice compare and figure out which one "better" suits you and when one may be preferential over another. Here are some threads to start you off:
"Jungle Spice" - Mystery Alkaloids of Mimosa Root Bark
Summary of jungle spice analytical work
Jorkest's D-Limonene & Fumaric Acid Approach
peace
SB
"Jungle Spice" - Mystery Alkaloids of Mimosa Root Bark
Summary of jungle spice analytical work
Jorkest's D-Limonene & Fumaric Acid Approach
peace
SB
greymatter
Rising Star
i personally prefer junglespice...i've tried both and for me the jungle spice was stronger(and that's what i like)....what's more it's easier to extract....though difficult to solidify
Each variety has their own properties. White-pure, yellow-oxides, red-jungle, full jimjam.
White is very mystical, very visual. It seems to give more mind-fuck and lasts longer than jungle.
Yellow is (for SWIM) more visual and give a more comfortable trip. (If he remembers correctly) it is close to the length of white, maybe a little shorter.
Jungle give very little mind-effects. SWIM has on several occasions waved to the elves!
It is shorter and gives very little OEVs, comparatively. With CEVs often SWIM's eyelids seem "crowded" with partial visuals.
Jimjam combines all of them and SWIM has not had a full-breakthrough on it yet. But at sub-breakthough doses give distinct effects from all 3
Jungle and possibly jimjam can oxidize and jungle oxides give much more visual and much more mind-fucked trips. SWIM panicked really bad one night when his jungle gave him COMPLETELY different effects and he was like "maybe I succeeded in the perfect trip and i will ascend, it will go on forever." Then he opened his eyes and had severe anxiety for about 30 minutes until all the effects went away. It was not the product, but the surprise of the different effects that caused that, he smoked it later and had a good trip.
Each different one will give different visuals, different entities too.
White is very mystical, very visual. It seems to give more mind-fuck and lasts longer than jungle.
Yellow is (for SWIM) more visual and give a more comfortable trip. (If he remembers correctly) it is close to the length of white, maybe a little shorter.
Jungle give very little mind-effects. SWIM has on several occasions waved to the elves!
It is shorter and gives very little OEVs, comparatively. With CEVs often SWIM's eyelids seem "crowded" with partial visuals.
Jimjam combines all of them and SWIM has not had a full-breakthrough on it yet. But at sub-breakthough doses give distinct effects from all 3
Jungle and possibly jimjam can oxidize and jungle oxides give much more visual and much more mind-fucked trips. SWIM panicked really bad one night when his jungle gave him COMPLETELY different effects and he was like "maybe I succeeded in the perfect trip and i will ascend, it will go on forever." Then he opened his eyes and had severe anxiety for about 30 minutes until all the effects went away. It was not the product, but the surprise of the different effects that caused that, he smoked it later and had a good trip.
Each different one will give different visuals, different entities too.
I respect q21's opinion but I strongly disagree.
First of all because colours dont necessarily mean anything, or rather it can mean a bunch of things depending on a lot of variables that cannot be generalized, as I argue in this thread
secondly, one and the same batch of crystals may give COMPLETELY different trips even if you have the two launches in the same day. With all due respect but unless one has done a blind test with different batches, I will be very skeptical of claims that 'yellow gives such and such entities and red gives this or that entity'. I think self-suggestion may play a big part in it. Also another thing that may make a difference is that the plant oils in more coloured spice may work as a heat-shield, making for a more effective vaporization, so there might be a difference in the efficiency of consumption which in turn will make people think that one is stronger or weaker than the other but its not exactly right...
But of course, I cant know what other people feel, I can only know for myself. I can say that, for myself, I really cannot make a judgement on the difference in effects from different types of dmt. As I said, to me there's such a big variation even in the same batch, how could I judge and compare trips that happened with many days/weeks/months of distance with different batches?
There IS a difference for me in how I feel about the dmt and the extraction in general when extracting in different ways. With this I mean that I feel much cleaner conscience and 'healthy' when extracting with food-safe chemicals, using limonene as the solvent (not xylene, yuck! thats horrible solvent imo), and having the full range dmt alkaloids (some people call it 'jimjam). So even if I cant necessarily tell the difference of effects between them, I do feel much better smoking jimjam instead of petrochemical-extracted pure dmt. So I will always go for limo-extracted jimjam and not naphtha dmt
First of all because colours dont necessarily mean anything, or rather it can mean a bunch of things depending on a lot of variables that cannot be generalized, as I argue in this thread
secondly, one and the same batch of crystals may give COMPLETELY different trips even if you have the two launches in the same day. With all due respect but unless one has done a blind test with different batches, I will be very skeptical of claims that 'yellow gives such and such entities and red gives this or that entity'. I think self-suggestion may play a big part in it. Also another thing that may make a difference is that the plant oils in more coloured spice may work as a heat-shield, making for a more effective vaporization, so there might be a difference in the efficiency of consumption which in turn will make people think that one is stronger or weaker than the other but its not exactly right...
But of course, I cant know what other people feel, I can only know for myself. I can say that, for myself, I really cannot make a judgement on the difference in effects from different types of dmt. As I said, to me there's such a big variation even in the same batch, how could I judge and compare trips that happened with many days/weeks/months of distance with different batches?
There IS a difference for me in how I feel about the dmt and the extraction in general when extracting in different ways. With this I mean that I feel much cleaner conscience and 'healthy' when extracting with food-safe chemicals, using limonene as the solvent (not xylene, yuck! thats horrible solvent imo), and having the full range dmt alkaloids (some people call it 'jimjam). So even if I cant necessarily tell the difference of effects between them, I do feel much better smoking jimjam instead of petrochemical-extracted pure dmt. So I will always go for limo-extracted jimjam and not naphtha dmt
It is true that the color alone does not 100% dictate the content of the spice, though just by the method each was achieved SWIM knows exactly what he was smoking
The white DMT was made from MHRB basified with lime and pulled with naptha then freezer precipitated. It was barely barely off-white, like a gallon of milk with 2 or 3 drops of yellow food coloring.
The yellow N-oxides were made from the above mentioned white spice mixed with hydrogen peroxide and evaporated.
The jungle was made by (using ~100C heat to) evaporating + freebasing vinegar used to salt DMT from d-limonene (same lime-tek) then boiling naptha was stirred around it. The naptha was freezer precipitated and yielded white crystals. The remaining jungle was made into a vinegar tincture and evaporated 3-7 drops at a time for a dose. It is clearly different than evaporating jimjam, it can be immediately scraped, unlike jimjam that needs to be cooled.
The jimjam was made by the same lime-tek and pulled with xylene, salted out with vinegar, evaporated + freebased with heat, then made into a tincture for evaporation on demand. This stuff physically performs like a tincture he made out of the white DMT, it needs to cool before being scraped, but is dark red.
The white DMT was made from MHRB basified with lime and pulled with naptha then freezer precipitated. It was barely barely off-white, like a gallon of milk with 2 or 3 drops of yellow food coloring.
The yellow N-oxides were made from the above mentioned white spice mixed with hydrogen peroxide and evaporated.
The jungle was made by (using ~100C heat to) evaporating + freebasing vinegar used to salt DMT from d-limonene (same lime-tek) then boiling naptha was stirred around it. The naptha was freezer precipitated and yielded white crystals. The remaining jungle was made into a vinegar tincture and evaporated 3-7 drops at a time for a dose. It is clearly different than evaporating jimjam, it can be immediately scraped, unlike jimjam that needs to be cooled.
The jimjam was made by the same lime-tek and pulled with xylene, salted out with vinegar, evaporated + freebased with heat, then made into a tincture for evaporation on demand. This stuff physically performs like a tincture he made out of the white DMT, it needs to cool before being scraped, but is dark red.
