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Pure white mescaline HCl from cactus using d-limonene (orange oil)
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PitfromGreece
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For my previous newbie question, :d the white layer between the limonene and water will separate eventually. Is just that SWIM mixes the limonene and the HCL solution for too much time in the blender and he gets foam.
Cosmo
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I guess SWIM is just paranoid, but being cautious is never a bad thing. Besides SWIM like Bridgesii seems to be more consistent in its content FV has some powdered stuff but its brownish, shit SWIM fresh dried and pulverized Bridgesii was bright green. SWIM never had any luck from pachanoi not sure why. Shit SWIM had no luck with your tek either RON but has a few ideas why that happened. Swim's gonna stay with fresh he knows what he's getting. Plus SWIM is learning to be patience from peeling and drying..a labor of love. No doubt Big Brother is watching one day all things enlightening will be forbidden, then the music will surely die. Thanks for all the input from everyone and when SWIM attempts another extraction he will surely need to tap into your wealth of knowledge some more.
69ron said:
Hi
I have enjoyed your posts, 69.
This is a great process.. However, I'm having trouble understanding this step of your process. As you implied, its a sticky brown mess. I need you to more clearly define the process of "wash" and define what you mean when you say "small the mescaline".
I imagine the process is add 20ml, and shake, let settle, and decant? Surely with only 20ml added to a gunky mess, this isn't possible?
Also... SWIM foolishly bought a soxhlet setup thinking this the best equip to extract mescaline; only to find bottles, blender and solvents can do the trick lol!
SWIM supposes they'll find more uses for it; SWIM has been wanting one for over ten years..
SWIM is looking forward to trying pure mescaline!
69ron
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Cosmo said:
Don't judge a book by it's cover. The best yield of 5% was from material that SWIM got from FV that looked horrible, hardly green at all. I believe because it was stressed properly. Same goes for HP. Both gave very consistently high yields between 1-5%.
Green is a sign of good health, not a sign of high alkaloid content. Actually, the greener it is usually the lower the alkaloid content is, because these cacti produce more alkaloids when they're NOT doing well.
I highly recommend both FV and HP. Their dried stuff is very good.
SWIM has some dry Bridgesii from FV and will be testing it soon.
69ron
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mori said:
HA HA HA HA!!!! What a typo.
“small the mescaline and much as you can”
It’s supposed to say:
“smear the mescaline and much as you can”
It should dissolve everything except the mescaline. If you smear it enough, eventually the acetone picks up a bunch of brown color and a bunch of small brownish powder mescaline is left un-dissolved. You let it sit 5-10 minutes and the small brownish powder will settle to the bottom of the acetone, and then you decant it. You should use a transparent glass bowl for this so you can see the mescaline at the bottom so that when you decant it, the mescaline is easily seen and not decanted with the acetone.
If it’s too thick that you can’t see any powder mescaline settle to the bottom, and more acetone. It should be watery, not thick after thoroughly mixing in the acetone.
I hope I cleared that up. If you have any other questions post them here (don’t PM me because I don’t answer PMs) and I’ll try to get back to you ASAP.
A Soxhlet is GREAT for extracting. SWIM found it’s NOT good for mescaline extraction though. He never got good yield using any heat at all to extract mescaline.
970Codfert
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This makes total sense. When you shop for vegetables, its good to find the most deformed and ugly ones that look like they have had trouble surviving, because they tend to have produced much more antioxidants throughout their growth.
PitfromGreece
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Hi Ron,
The whole thing is wonderful, SWIM has pure mescaline, but the yield is somewhat low. Could you explain a little bit more the steps below:
SWIY just presses the mixture (cactus - limonene) through a coffee press right? SWIM put the limonene through a paper coffee filter also, and maybe some of the mescaline was left there.
SWIM uses a blender to mix thoroughly, the problem is that it takes alot of time for the limonene and HCL solution to really separate. Does SWIY use a blender also or is not necessary?
The whole thing is wonderful, SWIM has pure mescaline, but the yield is somewhat low. Could you explain a little bit more the steps below:
SWIY just presses the mixture (cactus - limonene) through a coffee press right? SWIM put the limonene through a paper coffee filter also, and maybe some of the mescaline was left there.
SWIM uses a blender to mix thoroughly, the problem is that it takes alot of time for the limonene and HCL solution to really separate. Does SWIY use a blender also or is not necessary?
Hi ron,
SWIM wanted me to ask these 2 questions:
-What should the final purified mescaline HCL taste like? SWIM tells me that his slightly off-white powder tastes like bitter salt.
-Is it possible that, after cleaning (2x acetone, 1x IPA), the resulting product is anything else other than mesc HCL?
SWIM is finding that his product does not produce the expected effects at doses of 100mg,200mg,300mg.. He suspects that his cactus was not very potent.
SWIM appreciates your work!
SWIM wanted me to ask these 2 questions:
-What should the final purified mescaline HCL taste like? SWIM tells me that his slightly off-white powder tastes like bitter salt.
-Is it possible that, after cleaning (2x acetone, 1x IPA), the resulting product is anything else other than mesc HCL?
SWIM is finding that his product does not produce the expected effects at doses of 100mg,200mg,300mg.. He suspects that his cactus was not very potent.
SWIM appreciates your work!
69ron
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PitfromGreece said:
Yeah he uses a coffee press. The mescaline is not going to stick to the coffee filter. Don’t worry about that.
A blender is pretty strong and tends to form emulsions. How long is it taking to separate?
SWIM uses an electric hotplate/stirrer to mix the solution together. It forms less emulsions that way. It usually separates in about 2 minutes after mixing.
69ron
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zeki0 said:
I think you have pure mescaline HCl. I don't think there's any chance of anything else being left after those washes unless a different cactus was used or the tech wasn't followed properly.
Some people are not very sensitive to mescaline and require a large dose, like 300 mg or more just for light effects.
Also if you’ve done LSD or mushrooms recently, mescaline isn’t going to work very well at all.
The mescaline HCl should be odorless, off-white, powdery, and taste really bad. It's hard to describe the taste, it's bitter, and sort of salty.
On the topic of the result of this operation, Mescaline HCL, and a mention that the potentcy is lesser for the HCL variety; does anyone have any experience with the potentcies of the varieties of salt of Mescaline, and the varieties of experiences from it?
Also, given that this is a pure HCL extract (yay!) how does one migrate this from one salt to another? or even to the base product with no salts? possible? easy?
Also, given that this is a pure HCL extract (yay!) how does one migrate this from one salt to another? or even to the base product with no salts? possible? easy?
PitfromGreece
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It separates maybe in 15 minutes, but the problem is that the HCL solution is not clear, its a little green.
SWIM once mixed 90ml HCL solution with the limonene, he used a blender in high speed for maybe a minute, he got all the mescaline in one pull, but he left the mixture overnight to get a very clear HCL solution.
If SWIY wanted to increase yield following this extraction process, what else he would try?
Is 25mg calcium hydrohide the optimal dosage?
Leave the limonene, cactus mixture for a few days?
Anything else that might increase yield?
Noob said:
Ron or someone else could you help me with this? Swim washed three times and it still was just black goop and the acetone would turn dark dark red each time. He says he did it exactly the same as the acetate method (which swim had nothing but success with, at around 1% yield each time) except that he used the 2% hcl solution instead of the vinegar
PLEASE help, somebody. SWIM wants to try the pure mescaline instead of the rough alkaloid extraction with all the other alks.
Noob said:
Noob, I haven't given this a go yet, i'm still a couple of weeks away from getting the unusual solvent d-lim, but I recommend that you dry the wash solvent off, pulverise the solid, and continue the wash process. I suspect that you used the incorrect intial HCL concentration; and the HCL "extracted extra gunk" as specified in his initial post. Could you clarify which strength of HCL you used, and perhaps the local expert 69 can help you.
Perhaps you could list, in dot form, the procedure you followed? We can't understand whats wrong without that knowledge.
Cosmo
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SWIM knows this isn't the norm on this blog but does anyone know anything about Virloa bark and if it's worth the time to make a snuff from it. SWIM hears a lot about Mimosa, is that for a reason, Virola resin seems pretty easy to make without chemical extractions, RON69 being the wealth of knowledge that you are, what do you know on the subject?
mori said:
Excuse me but you didn't even read my post that you are replying to, so not really sure why you did. In the post you quoted and replied to I said 2% hcl solution (although I guess it's more like 1.6% since swim mixed 10% hcl solution 1:5 like in 69ron's method in the very first post) The exact procedure is listed at the beginning of this thread and all measurements were followed carefully. SWIM has successfully done this with the acetate method several times as already mentioned, and the only difference is using vinegar instead of hcl solution. Now when he tried to use hcl to salt instead of vinegar he experienced the problems I mentioned.
narmz
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Noob,
Did you dry your acetone? Did you get a little poking tool, so that you could crush the dark gunk up while it was in the acetone? You should do this, and then throw it in the fridge over-night, check back in the morning and if nothing has settled, you probably didn't follow the directions correctly. Did you dry your hcl water pulls completely before going on with the acetone wash? This seems like it could be part of the problem, did you use a stove or a dehydrator, or just a fan to dry your pulls?
Did you dry your acetone? Did you get a little poking tool, so that you could crush the dark gunk up while it was in the acetone? You should do this, and then throw it in the fridge over-night, check back in the morning and if nothing has settled, you probably didn't follow the directions correctly. Did you dry your hcl water pulls completely before going on with the acetone wash? This seems like it could be part of the problem, did you use a stove or a dehydrator, or just a fan to dry your pulls?
PitfromGreece
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From what SWIM can tell from your posts maybe SWIY did not have a clear mescaline HCL - water, solution to begin with.
What did SWIY use to separate the mixture? was the water solution very clear or maybe a little green? Maybe SWIY got alot of the green pigment from cactus skin in the water solution that turned black as it dried out, now he should be extra careful with all the washes to not loose a lot of mescaline.
What did SWIY use to separate the mixture? was the water solution very clear or maybe a little green? Maybe SWIY got alot of the green pigment from cactus skin in the water solution that turned black as it dried out, now he should be extra careful with all the washes to not loose a lot of mescaline.