Question on Eathwalkers tek

[bchop420]

I will be performing this tek.

12 hr Tek Start - finish - STB - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

My question is step 3 it says leave to room temp to cool. Does this mean after acidifying a heat bath is not necessary if the solvent is being evaporated rather than freeze precipitated?

 

[Tryptallmine]

I will be performing this tek.

12 hr Tek Start - finish - STB - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

My question is step 3 it says leave to room temp to cool. Does this mean after acidifying a heat bath is not necessary if the solvent is being evaporated rather than freeze precipitated?

That's how the tek reads, heat bath for the acid step only.

I can see that it would make sense in terms of growing crystals. If you reduce the temperature in a nice and slow linear manner, you'll end up with a solid crystalline structure resulting in larger well formed crystals.

So from that standpoint it makes sense rather than having a solution with a higher temperature and rapidly dropping the temperature in the freezer - sure.

 

[brilliantlydim]

I just did perform this tek, first extraction attempt for me. I used the instructions found here --->

ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

But I ended up with a very minimal amount of gooey spice, and by that I mean maybe a few mg. I wasn't expecting anything because when I hit the clean up step, I didn't have any brown fatty layer, just two very clean looking layers of water and NPS.
When I added the lye to basify my final product, the water stayed clear telling me that there was not much spice in there if any. I did my NPS pulls anyway and was surprised to smell brand new sneakers with some residuals in the plate after letting evap with a light fan al night. Amazing I knew the smell, even though I have never smelled it before.

I followed the directions I believe very well, here are the only things I think I may have messed up on.

1. Didn't freeze and thaw the powdered product before using. I had read that this really doesn't need to be done with powdered ACRB.

2. The tek posted here 12 hr Tek Start - finish - STB - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus shows adding 60ml of vinegar to 300-400ml of water at beginning, where the one I followed says 60ml to 500ml. I had no means to measure PH, perhaps it wasn't low enough?

3. During first acid bath I had it in a pot with pretty hot water. Not boiling but maybe warmer than warm as stated, could this have caused nothing to extract ?

4. I used 100% lye, as far as I can tell it should be the same as caustic soda. Is this correct or is it suppose to be a more common less concentrated product? Again I had no way of measuring PH, so I was just going of quantities given hopping they were right.

5. I used canning and pickling salt. It was the only one that I could find that said just salt as ingredients and as far as I could find they are non-iodized and just NaCl.

As far as I can tell everything else was bang on, the only things I don't know for sure are if my PH's were right, I am wondering if that could have caused these kind of outcome. Any other ideas about where I might have made a mistake? Maybe the ACRB is not good?

Thanks in advance, I wanted to post these questions on the thread this tek is on but I am a new member and don't have that ability yet.

 

[Tryptallmine]

I just did perform this tek, first extraction attempt for me. I used the instructions found here --->

ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

But I ended up with a very minimal amount of gooey spice, and by that I mean maybe a few mg. I wasn't expecting anything because when I hit the clean up step, I didn't have any brown fatty layer, just two very clean looking layers of water and NPS.
When I added the lye to basify my final product, the water stayed clear telling me that there was not much spice in there if any. I did my NPS pulls anyway and was surprised to smell brand new sneakers with some residuals in the plate after letting evap with a light fan al night. Amazing I knew the smell, even though I have never smelled it before.

I followed the directions I believe very well, here are the only things I think I may have messed up on.

1. Didn't freeze and thaw the powdered product before using. I had read that this really doesn't need to be done with powdered ACRB.
It can certainly help but not 100% necessary

2. The tek posted here 12 hr Tek Start - finish - STB - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus shows adding 60ml of vinegar to 300-400ml of water at beginning, where the one I followed says 60ml to 500ml. I had no means to measure PH, perhaps it wasn't low enough?
60ml of 5% distilled vinegar should get you into the correct range to salt alks.
3. During first acid bath I had it in a pot with pretty hot water. Not boiling but maybe warmer than warm as stated, could this have caused nothing to extract ?
This isn't a problem, it'll generally pull a more yellow color in the solvent.

4. I used 100% lye, as far as I can tell it should be the same as caustic soda. Is this correct or is it suppose to be a more common less concentrated product? Again I had no way of measuring PH, so I was just going of quantities given hopping they were right.

As long as you used the amount in the tek to the amount of water it'll have been very basic. Rule of thumb if ind is if it turns black its the right pH. 100% Sodium Hydroxide (NaOH) is perfect. Even 98% is good enough.

5. I used canning and pickling salt. It was the only one that I could find that said just salt as ingredients and as far as I could find they are non-iodized and just NaCl.
This wouldn't spoil your extraction. As long as its NaCl and no anti-caking agents and no iodized you're fine.

As far as I can tell everything else was bang on, the only things I don't know for sure are if my PH's were right, I am wondering if that could have caused these kind of outcome. Any other ideas about where I might have made a mistake? Maybe the ACRB is not good?

Sounds like the bark is poor quality

Thanks in advance, I wanted to post these questions on the thread this tek is on but I am a new member and don't have that ability yet.

 

[brilliantlydim]

Thanks for taking the time Tryptallmine.

Do you really think it is the quality of the bark? The reason I am sort of doubting is 2 fold

1. I did not seem to pull any plant fats, oils, or dust either, and surely there should still be those in a plant with low amounts of spice?

2. The amount I pulled wasn't a small amount, it was an almost non-existent amount. In a tek where I should be pulling around 1g (upper closer to 2g), I pulled maybe 2mg. Can ACRB really fluctuate that much in concentration of spice? Or maybe I was scammed, and its not what they claim it to be? The place I REMOVED it from had great feedback though.

P.S. is the red REMOVED censor automatic? I didn't write the place that I got it from, I know the rules.

 

[Tryptallmine]

Thanks for taking the time Tryptallmine.

Do you really think it is the quality of the bark? The reason I am sort of doubting is 2 fold

1. I did not seem to pull any plant fats, oils, or dust either, and surely there should still be those in a plant with low amounts of spice?

2. The amount I pulled wasn't a small amount, it was an almost non-existent amount. In a tek where I should be pulling around 1g (upper closer to 2g), I pulled maybe 2mg. Can ACRB really fluctuate that much in concentration of spice? Or maybe I was scammed, and its not what they claim it to be? The place I REMOVED it from had great feedback though.

P.S. is the red REMOVED censor automatic? I didn't write the place that I got it from, I know the rules.

No someone read it and moderated it.

One of the things you should be doing when you extract is to check your work every step of the way through. Be sure what you're doing is accurate. Get yourself a pH meter - without this its hard to know for sure if you salted the alkaloids out correctly in the first stage.

What I do is combine all my initial pulls from the extraction and have a really good look at what you have here. For me it's strikingly obvious as the solvent is so saturated that I usually can't see through the beaker even slightly.

If this is not the case, then evaporate down the naphtha and make sure it has alks worth processing through a cleanup. If you've evaporated down to 25-50ml of solvent and it's still not clouding up, unfortunately you are going to get pretty much nothing.

If there's minimal alks then maybe its not worth cleaning it up and just letting the dish evaporate and reclaiming the goo in some IPA for infused leaf. Same effect just not pretty crystals.

ACRB can fluctuate drastically between the varieties. Even seasonal or environmental changes can effect content. Could have been a completely misidentified tree, you will never know unless you find those sources yourself - better yet, grow some acacias!

Best of luck!

 

[brilliantlydim]

Thanks again.

I'll have to play around with it more and see what if it is indeed my method or the product.

I wish I could grow one, but I don't think the climate in my region is very hospitable to such a plant.