Question regarding Kash's Advanced LSA Extraction

[Esperintensifies]

Greetings.
My hamster is interested in carpet bombing her yard with a species of Morning Glory that is native to her area that grows like a weed, but has a lower LSA content/less favorable alkaloid profile in the seeds then the Heavenly Blue variety. Can anyone tell her how selective the Kash tek is in regards to isolating the LSA from the other compounds in the final product?

Apologies if this has been answered already. I did my best to look through the thread but couldn't find anything that seemed relevant enough to answer my question.


Thank you friends.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

You would have to be more specific about what species of Ipomoea it is.

Your research needs to broaden beyond the one extraction thread to the rest of the LSA subforum. It would be prudent to search the scientific literature for a meaningful view of the alkaloid profile and check what extraction and analytical methods were used to obtain that result. Then it becomes possible to assess the selectivity of Kash's tek for LSA over, say, clavines.

Some of the non-LSA alkaloids might contribute positively to the subjective effects but any experimentation would be at your own peril and you therefore have a responsibility to inform yourself as thoroughly as possible about what you are embarking on. Misfires could be as trivial as a purgative effect, or as extreme as ergotism including convulsions, gangrene, loss of extremities and even death.

dragonrider[/url] ]LSA seeds are notoriously inconsistent in their effects. Sometimes you feel nothing, occasionally the effects get realy close to LSD, and most of the time it will be something in between the two.

They vary enormously in strength and in alkaloid composition.

If you get the full effects, these seeds can be seriously psychedelic indeed. With more vaso- and bronchoconstriction than you'd experience on most other psychedelics though.[/

TLC (thin layer chromatography) would be a virtually indispensable tool if you really want to get a handle on this.

Some things to bear in mind:
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100 HBWR seeds Hawaiian Strain. Never buy Ghana strain. (Morning Glory seeds may be substituted in as well in much larger quantity)

If you're planning on using something weaker than Heavenly Blues, the amount of seeds required for an extraction will be enormous.

Peppermint oil is often combined with LSA extracts leading to a more positive experience, though the exact mechanism for this phenomenon is unknown. Some believe it to be the formation of LSH, an unstable lysergic compound more closely resembling LSD, though this topic is hotly disputed.

There seems to be something to the LSH hypothesis but I question the idea that LSH forms from LSA+acetaldehyde. The point here is that if your seeds don't contain LSH to start with, the end result might not be terribly inspiring.

-literature for the art of extracting lsa from claviceps spp. suggest using ethyl acetate.

Some (all?) Nexians love ethyl acetate

 

[meluzine]

if your hamster does follow through with this then I suggest they harvest before the seeds are fully ripe, and remove any trace of the plants roots afterwards. I cant recommend propagating invasive species but if you can harvest responsibly and remove the roots as to not allow spreading then I can imagine you would yield a good amount of seeds.

Growing in a raised bed on trellises would be more manageable.

here on my part of the west coast we have an appalling amount of invasive species taking over the valley, I have especially noted uncontrolled patches of Helix spp. spanning upwards of 400 square metres, nearby an acre of wetlands tangled with Solanum dulcamara, and Convolvulus spp.
not to mention the unmanageable and sprawling fields of invasive grass species that contribute to extreme pollen allergies every summer.

so just make sure everyone involved is responsible to the ecology of their surroundings, and also I agree that you should use a more reliable species, blue saucer seeds are really affordable. 25c per packet in most gardening stores around here at least.

another note is that the seeds themselves do not contain ergolines it is the epiphytic fungus which infects the seeds.

 

[Esperintensifies]

You would have to be more specific about what species of Ipomoea it is.

Your research needs to broaden beyond the one extraction thread to the rest of the LSA subforum. It would be prudent to search the scientific literature for a meaningful view of the alkaloid profile and check what extraction and analytical methods were used to obtain that result. Then it becomes possible to assess the selectivity of Kash's tek for LSA over, say, clavines.

Some of the non-LSA alkaloids might contribute positively to the subjective effects but any experimentation would be at your own peril and you therefore have a responsibility to inform yourself as thoroughly as possible about what you are embarking on. Misfires could be as trivial as a purgative effect, or as extreme as ergotism including convulsions, gangrene, loss of extremities and even death.

dragonrider[/url] ]LSA seeds are notoriously inconsistent in their effects. Sometimes you feel nothing, occasionally the effects get realy close to LSD, and most of the time it will be something in between the two.

They vary enormously in strength and in alkaloid composition.

If you get the full effects, these seeds can be seriously psychedelic indeed. With more vaso- and bronchoconstriction than you'd experience on most other psychedelics though.[/

TLC (thin layer chromatography) would be a virtually indispensable tool if you really want to get a handle on this.

Some things to bear in mind:
[

100 HBWR seeds Hawaiian Strain. Never buy Ghana strain. (Morning Glory seeds may be substituted in as well in much larger quantity)

If you're planning on using something weaker than Heavenly Blues, the amount of seeds required for an extraction will be enormous.

Peppermint oil is often combined with LSA extracts leading to a more positive experience, though the exact mechanism for this phenomenon is unknown. Some believe it to be the formation of LSH, an unstable lysergic compound more closely resembling LSD, though this topic is hotly disputed.

There seems to be something to the LSH hypothesis but I question the idea that LSH forms from LSA+acetaldehyde. The point here is that if your seeds don't contain LSH to start with, the end result might not be terribly inspiring.

-literature for the art of extracting lsa from claviceps spp. suggest using ethyl acetate.

Some (all?) Nexians love ethyl acetate

After doing some math, my hamster realizes she would need something around 260,000 seeds of this strain (lacunosa) in order to fufill the requirements for this tek, so it *might* not be worth it. It seems she was so enamored with the idea of seeding a native species she would not have to carefully control she didn't think this through. Ah well. Back to the drawing board. Your recommendations sent me down a very informative rabbit hole in the right direction, however, so thank you very much

 

[Esperintensifies]

if your hamster does follow through with this then I suggest they harvest before the seeds are fully ripe, and remove any trace of the plants roots afterwards. I cant recommend propagating invasive species but if you can harvest responsibly and remove the roots as to not allow spreading then I can imagine you would yield a good amount of seeds.

Growing in a raised bed on trellises would be more manageable.

here on my part of the west coast we have an appalling amount of invasive species taking over the valley, I have especially noted uncontrolled patches of Helix spp. spanning upwards of 400 square metres, nearby an acre of wetlands tangled with Solanum dulcamara, and Convolvulus spp.
not to mention the unmanageable and sprawling fields of invasive grass species that contribute to extreme pollen allergies every summer.

so just make sure everyone involved is responsible to the ecology of their surroundings, and also I agree that you should use a more reliable species, blue saucer seeds are really affordable. 25c per packet in most gardening stores around here at least.

another note is that the seeds themselves do not contain ergolines it is the epiphytic fungus which infects the seeds.

God I love this place I can't sneeze without spraying someone who cares as much about the environment as I do.

The species my hamster was looking at (ipomea lacunosa) is actually native to her area, and she was hoping she could kill two birds with one stone and do her local ecosystem a favor with her choice of crop.

However, it seems the alkaloid content is just far too low to make the operation feasible, so she's probably going back to good ol'e HBMG, so the raised trellis bed sounds like a fantastic idea. Thank you

 

[downwardsfromzero]

One thing you might like to try out is co-planting the lacunosa with the HB's. There's an outside chance that the epiphytic fungus might cross over to produce a lacunosa variety with higher ergoline content. Just an idea, I did try this with Grandpa Otts and HB but I can't say I came to any firm conclusions.

 

[Esperintensifies]

One thing you might like to try out is co-planting the lacunosa with the HB's. There's an outside chance that the epiphytic fungus might cross over to produce a lacunosa variety with higher ergoline content. Just an idea, I did try this with Grandpa Otts and HB but I can't say I came to any firm conclusions.

The best of both worlds. If nothing else it'll certainly look beautiful and give the pollinators something to buzz about. Hamster will probably wind up trying this. Thank you!