Questioning what exactly is in acrb extracts

[Spiralout]

Hey everyone, so this is only my second post , the first one was about actually extracting from acrb using lime , vinegar and ronsonol. Got that down (havent fully got all the ins and outs but working towards it!).

So my buddy has expiremented with different ways of pulling the alkaloids. Its proving very hard and time consuming to get actual xtals and have mostly been left with orangish liquid that cools to a goo and then a wax like consistency that melts easily. So since the xtals have been hard produce he (on my suggestion) has just been allowing the nonpolar solvent to evap away leaving something that resembles xtals but is really goo when ya scrape it. To get actual xtals i believe what he did was allow the solvent to evap till xtals form and then pour off (saving the solvent) and the xtals that are left do stay together.

Anyway just wanted to give ya back info, i honestly don't care if it's goo or not. However i have noticed during bioassays that whatever is being pulled seems to have a slower onset then dmt i have had before (which, i am not proud to say, i bought from someone years ago, we live we learn) Also it has a very heavy body feeling. Sometimes this is amazingly pleasent but sometimes i will feel sick to my stomach and feel lime throwing up. When i get a bad body feeling this seems to be accomponied by sweating and a running nose. I havent had enough experience with dmt to know but my gut tells me something else is going on here, actually its beyond intuitive, i know something else is in there. Ive never taken an maoi that i was aware of (though im sure ive taken one but thats no reference point if i didnt know it) but i have bioassayed many different psychedelics (and unfortunately other thi ngs) and i feel like this is what an maoi would feel like.

I want something i can use to benefit and teach myself , i just dont want to be rushing into things or doing things the wrong way as i have in the past. I am taking this very seriously and I feel like some of these tryptamines help keep my life in perspective amazingly well.

The two concerns are that 1) it could be dangerous 2) the physical feeling accomponied by nausea is very distracting. I have been taking low doses as i am honestly very sceptical about having a "breakthrough" . I am sure this might not be true for everyone or maybe i am looking at it wrong but i feel like a high dose may not be useful if i don't have some sense of self. I have taken high doses of psilocybin mushrooms and had amazingly strong feelings of conmection to the universe etc. But i never wound up somewhere else. I like to try to really meditate when I do these things and try to get as much as i can out of it. Since i have started working with this substance i feel much calmer and relaxed and centered and less anxious and also more emotional, i cry and laugh and love much more.

Anyway, know this is kinda rambling and idk if this is the right section to post. I'm m basically looking for some guidance i guess. I want to know if this material is safe, has anyone else had the naesua and how to deal with it. Also i am hoping i am aproaching this in the right way (ibreally feel i am ) and what could o expect from a higher dosage? Ok gonna stop rambling, thanks for reading, much love!

 

[The Traveler]

Check this section of the forum:
Plant Analysis and Substance Testing

And then specifically this thread might be of interest to you:
The Acacia Analysis Thread


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[nen888]

^..was going to say what the Traveler said..
plus the Acacia Confusa thread

 

[Spiralout]

Thank you. I truly appreciate the information and support on this site. I will be doing more research on this and other plants and working on myself more the more I work with these plants and molecules. If I realize any information that I feel is original or usefull I will surely share it as soon as I come across it. Also, if and when I have a noteworthy experience I will most likely share it. However my experience with psychedelics thus far has proven to be a very spiritual and personal one, and some things I have felt should be kept to myself. Thanks!

 

[Entheogenerator]

Also you might want to check out The Attitude Page... It doesn't make a distinction between present, future, or past references; so I can only assume that the statement about your past DMT experience would fall into this category:

No discussion on selling, buying, sourcing, acquiring, pricing, trading, mentioning pending deliveries or smuggling of drugs
This includes all isolated psychedelic compounds and RCs (Research Chemicals), whether they are legal or not. The only goods allowed to be discussed are legal live plants, legal viable seeds (both in the Sustainable plant and seed suppliers subforum) and legal/unwatched chemical supplies. See Street Value of DMT (AND WHY YOU SHOULDN'T EVER SELL DMT AND OTHER PSYCHEDELICS) for good reasons why we don't allow this.

Personally I think that if you really want to try to get as much as you can out of DMT, I would recommend that you try a breakthrough dose at least once. In my experience, sub-breakthrough doses can be beneficial for a person to an extent, but not even close to that of the full DMT experience. You might be amazed at how much one can gain from losing that sense of self periodically, for short periods at a time. I feel like the experience of temporarily shedding one's sense of self is one of the main aspects of the journey that makes DMT capable of being such a powerful catalyst for healing and change.

 

[starway6]

..easy to produce crystals by simply letting the extracted napatha solvent jar sit overnight for about 15 hours at slightly lower than room temperature..
One could use their cooler garage or even put the sealed jar of napatha in refrige the freezer is not nessasery...
But for this to work properly.. the napatha must be [DMT rich!] enough for crystals to fall out overnight..
If the DMT isnt rich enough to crowd the napatha.. only goo may result..

Strangly.. when crystals melt they apear the same as goo!
The benifit to crystals is easier handling.. storing ..and dose weighing..

It is nice to be able to weigh your spice!

I have a suspicion the reason why ACRB is often hard to get crystals .. is that the amount of DMT may be higher or lower on diferent parts of the tree?

But i cant prove this to be the case..

It apears that the goo should be over 90 percent DMT NMT combo...

Making changa with full spectrum acrb goo has given me the strongest effect..and when i vape ..[acrb crystals].. the effect doesnt seem quite as strong..

But!.. this may simply be because the crystals get destroyed by heat quicker that goo..and my vaping method was off some?

So maybe your failer to get crystals is because your [napatha solvent] needs to be [evaporated].. [causing a reduced solvent volume ].. so the crystals will fall out easier..

Good luck..

 

[Spiralout]

First I just want to say that I didnt think into that before i posted it and i have read the attitude page. I feel people change and this was years ago and the person it was procured from was a friend and I was there during the extraction. Anyways dont wanna talk about that, it doesn't matter and I shouldn't have brought it up. Sorry.

However, thank you very much for the sound advice. I will be making the leap in the future, probably sooner than later , but I feel I have things I need to sort out in my life and living situation before I go that deep. Like I (think) I said I have had a rough few years, really a rough ten years and I'm 23. So right now I'm pretty broke and jobless and living in a room by myself that my father pays for. I just got out of jail in may (did 6 months, did another 7 a year before that) and I have finally after all these years realized that life is not a big joke (even though it can be) and I need to do things to better myself and others and not just focus strictly on having fun. Anyway , Im not getting into anymore details but I could write a book, my life has been a rollercoaster.

I am finally coming around though! Meditating again which I havent done since I was 16 and relearning how to treat people with kindness and respect. Opiates will suck your soul dry until you don't recognize the person looking back at you in the mirror. Ive been clean a year.


Sorry if that was to heavy.

Starway6: Thank you for the advice! Ive noticed the goo is stronger too but I dont weigh doses so it might just be that it looks like less but really weighs more. Im guessing this is the case.

I am thinking the best thing to do would be reduce volume (using hairdryer or similar contraption) till its nice and cludy and then allow to sit about 7/8 covered with tinfoil outside, in garage, cellar, etc. (A cold place where it can safely evap the remaining saturated solvent) in a glass dish till it has evaped , thinking this could take a few days since its cold. What do you think? Will post back with results.

 

[Entheogenerator]

Opiates will suck your soul dry until you don't recognize the person looking back at you in the mirror. Ive been clean a year.

I've been there myself, brother. Glad to hear you are making progress! :thumb_up:

I am thinking the best thing to do would be reduce volume (using hairdryer or similar contraption) till its nice and cludy and then allow to sit about 7/8 covered with tinfoil outside, in garage, cellar, etc. (A cold place where it can safely evap the remaining saturated solvent) in a glass dish till it has evaped , thinking this could take a few days since its cold. What do you think? Will post back with results.

If you put ACRB goo into a solvent and then evaporate that solvent, you will still end up with ACRB goo. Your best bet would probably be to supersaturate a minimal amount of warm solvent (make sure to follow safety recommendations for heating flammable solvents) with ACRB goo, then letting that solvent sit out at room temperature with an airtight seal on it for a few hours or overnight (I have heard that most of the NMT will drop out), then pour the solvent off into a new container and freeze precipitate. This should leave you with crystals.

This process is described in Thick-Light's tek and I have heard it works well for a lot of people who work with ACRB. It is basically the same concept as recrystallizing. You want to hang on to the gunk that drops out while you have it sitting out at room temp, because there will still be a fair amount of DMT in it. This gunk can be recrystallized a couple of times to remove as much remaining DMT as possible.

Good luck man! I hope this technique works for you!

 

[Spiralout]

Thank you, that sounds like a really good idea. Im thinking if the jar of saturated solvent is left over night, airtight, orangeish goo will form on the bottom (the nmt) and then can pour off the remaining solvent and have a much easier time getting cleaner xtals. This makes sense to me thank you alot, will report back.

Also my buddy ran into some sodium hydroxide. He has been using a tweaked version of q21q21s tek 2. You can see my old thread for more info. Now, q2121 says not to use lye. Why would this be? And if it really can't be used is there any other ideas for a dry tek that could work using acrb and sodium hydroxide? He was also thinking of freezing and thawing the bark powder a few times to help break down the cell walls faster. Then the idea was to acidify with vinegar and boiling water and base with sodium hydroxide,figuring that'll aid in getting all the dmt freebase possible. I can't see anything wrong with this approach. .. Thanks again for reading and all the info!

 

[Entheogenerator]

Thank you, that sounds like a really good idea. Im thinking if the jar of saturated solvent is left over night, airtight, orangeish goo will form on the bottom (the nmt) and then can pour off the remaining solvent and have a much easier time getting cleaner xtals. This makes sense to me thank you alot, will report back.

Also my buddy ran into some sodium hydroxide. He has been using a tweaked version of q21q21s tek 2. You can see my old thread for more info. Now, q2121 says not to use lye. Why would this be? And if it really can't be used is there any other ideas for a dry tek that could work using acrb and sodium hydroxide? He was also thinking of freezing and thawing the bark powder a few times to help break down the cell walls faster. Then the idea was to acidify with vinegar and boiling water and base with sodium hydroxide,figuring that'll aid in getting all the dmt freebase possible. I can't see anything wrong with this approach. .. Thanks again for reading and all the info!

That is a good method to use. Make sure you recrystallize the goo that drops out of your saturated solvent! A lot of DMT will drop out as well.

I wouldn't recommend using sodium hydroxide for a dry tek. I feel like avoiding sodium hydroxide is half of the reason that people choose to perform a dry tek in the first place... I'd say if you're going to use sodium hydroxide, you might as well just go with more of a "standard" A/B rather than a dry tek.

Adding just enough water to wet the rootbark powder and then freezing/thawing a few times is never a bad idea.