Questions about ACRB Extrations

[CouchLove]

Greetings fine fine Nexians,

I have a couple of questions regarding using ACRB during extractions. I have yet to complete my first project, but at the moment I am looking at following Cybs' Hybrid ATB 'Salt' Tek.

I am curious if many other nexians have used this as a starting point -- I assume yes, but If anyone could give me information on how it went for them, I would be keen on knowing....

My question regarding this tek primarily revolves around two questions:

1.) How would this TEK yield with ACRB -- I know that all results will vary, but I've gathered that when compared to MHRB, the levels of actives are a bit lower...

The TEK calls for 50 grams of MHRB, and will yield roughly a gram. Would I be wrong in expecting about half that with using ACRB, if all things are ideal?

2.) To counter my assumptions of lower yields with ACRB, if I wanted to double bark, would I double everything else as well? I would assume yes, but I am unsure, so here I ask...


Thanks all, I know it is a newb question, but I am a total newb with the chemical shamanry. Any input is highly valued.

Love and Light,

CL

 

[Creator]

Hey man,
A lot of your questions are answered in the FAQ but I'm more than happy to help,

1. It depends so much from harvest date to what is harvested and where your source is. There is not exact ratio on how much you will get. Start small and patience is key. I say start small because you don't know what you are going to run into.

ACRB is still an excellent source. I wouldn't underestimate by that much. But all plays into when and what is harvested.

2. No, do not double everything else.

Read the FAQ though

Peace brother

 

[karloff]

Hi CouchLove!

here you can find a version of Cyb's Tek adapted for 100 gr. of ACRB:

ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Incidentally, I am following this tek at this time, but still in the pullin stage.

So, I hope I will not annoy you if I use this thread to put my own question: I have made some variations to the tek. Instead of acid bath + salt + basing with lye, I have cooked 4 times the podwered ACRB ic acidified water (ph 3) and then filtered the liquid, salting and basify with sodium carbonate.
The basification left the liquid with ph between 10 and 11, not as high as lye does (and I used A LOT of sodium carbonate!), but since I had made the strong acid cooking prevously (to extract the alkaloids from the plant material), I thought it was enough ph.
But I have made my first pull with 100 ml. limonene today (I plan to do FASW later) and I have found a lot of emulsion instead of a clear NP layer. I have left if resting while I am at work, but, in case I find the emulsion don't break when I get back home... would it be a good idea to add some lye to rise the ph up? Or cannot lye be mixed with sodium carbonate for some reason?
My plan is to rise the ph to 13-14 and hope that will break the emulsion.

 

[CouchLove]

Oh helllll nah, don't you go hijacking my thread, asking questions about a topic that will mutually benefit both of us

Please, hijack away . Any information that comes here is relevant and welcome. I am curious to see how yours comes out. How did you get the water down to PH3? Are you using an ionizer to get the water that acidic? Would be really interesting if that could work...

Have you done any successful runs yet with this TEK, or others??

 

[karloff]

Many Thanks couchLove.

To make the acidified water to ph 3 I used some food grade citric acid, but I guess it will also work if you use white vinegar or lemmon juice. The important thing is to have some ph paper to know the values in every stage.

This is the second DMT extraction I am doing. My first one was using MHRB and I was surprised to succeed this very first time:

My first extraction (STB): success and freebasing problem - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

The tek I used this first time was this one:

Jorkest's D-Limonene and Fumaric Acid Approach - DMT-Nexus Wiki

Also, I have just finished my first harmalas extraction, also successfuly, and now I have started this ACRB extraction because I am looking for some DMT+NMT combo, which is very interesting in my past experiences.

Good luck with your own project! Let us know how it is going.

 

[CouchLove]

Very well done with your first attempt -- quite encouraging

I am using ACRB, because my first Ayahuasca experience was with a brew made from acacia. It was beautiful.

My goal is to take this, and then do a harmala extraction, and use it to make some dream leaf, as just smoking DMT straight has never worked well for me, so I figure changa might be the right path for me -- at least that is what some of the guides have told me, so I am inclined to listen to them.

Thanks for your input, much appreciated

 

[karloff]

For harmalas, this is the tek I followed:

The Tao of Rue Extraction - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

it requires a lot more of patience than with DMT extractions, because it is very hard to do all the filterings until you see no more vegetable particles decanting at the bottom. And believe me, this is important to get good alkaloid precipitations in the last stages. I think I filtered my liquids like 20-30 times, not joking.
My advice, if you don't want to eternalize in the filtering stage, is that you make your own vacuum filtering system. You need to buy a Buchner flask:

Büchner flask - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

and then some cheap vacuum pump and a funnel (glass, ceramic or stainless steel) with a ruber ring to adjust into the flask's mouth. Some photos of mine:

 

[Psilosopher?]

Greetings fine fine Nexians,

I have a couple of questions regarding using ACRB during extractions. I have yet to complete my first project, but at the moment I am looking at following Cybs' Hybrid ATB 'Salt' Tek.

I am curious if many other nexians have used this as a starting point -- I assume yes, but If anyone could give me information on how it went for them, I would be keen on knowing....

My question regarding this tek primarily revolves around two questions:

1.) How would this TEK yield with ACRB -- I know that all results will vary, but I've gathered that when compared to MHRB, the levels of actives are a bit lower...

The TEK calls for 50 grams of MHRB, and will yield roughly a gram. Would I be wrong in expecting about half that with using ACRB, if all things are ideal?

2.) To counter my assumptions of lower yields with ACRB, if I wanted to double bark, would I double everything else as well? I would assume yes, but I am unsure, so here I ask...


Thanks all, I know it is a newb question, but I am a total newb with the chemical shamanry. Any input is highly valued.

Love and Light,

CL

I use 100 grams at a time for ACRB. I consistently get at least 1.5 grams, so that equates to at least 1.5%. But it also depends on your plant material.

You don't need to double everything. This is a slow extraction, not a rapid reaction. The amount of acid you need to convert a yield of 1.5 g is minimal compared to the amount of acid you'd use with raw plant material. The reason why so much acid is needed, is to get a proper suspension of the plant material. As long as you have a good suspension of plant material that has a pH of 2-4, then it's all good.


If you want to understand the chemistry of extractions, here is a guide i made. It's also got a methodology at the end, but all with labware.

EXTRACTION GUIDE: Principles of Alkaloid Extraction (in relation to N,N-Dimethyltryptamine) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[CouchLove]

I use 100 grams at a time for ACRB. I consistently get at least 1.5 grams, so that equates to at least 1.5%. But it also depends on your plant material.

You don't need to double everything. This is a slow extraction, not a rapid reaction. The amount of acid you need to convert a yield of 1.5 g is minimal compared to the amount of acid you'd use with raw plant material. The reason why so much acid is needed, is to get a proper suspension of the plant material. As long as you have a good suspension of plant material that has a pH of 2-4, then it's all good.


If you want to understand the chemistry of extractions, here is a guide i made. It's also got a methodology at the end, but all with labware.

EXTRACTION GUIDE: Principles of Alkaloid Extraction (in relation to N,N-Dimethyltryptamine) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Awesome, thank you! Really good info, great write up too. You also just answered a question I had just logged on to ask -- pH. pH2-4 for the acid suspension , but in the later steps, are there also any pH levels that I should be mindful of, for optimal extraction?

 

[Psilosopher?]

I use 100 grams at a time for ACRB. I consistently get at least 1.5 grams, so that equates to at least 1.5%. But it also depends on your plant material.

You don't need to double everything. This is a slow extraction, not a rapid reaction. The amount of acid you need to convert a yield of 1.5 g is minimal compared to the amount of acid you'd use with raw plant material. The reason why so much acid is needed, is to get a proper suspension of the plant material. As long as you have a good suspension of plant material that has a pH of 2-4, then it's all good.


If you want to understand the chemistry of extractions, here is a guide i made. It's also got a methodology at the end, but all with labware.

EXTRACTION GUIDE: Principles of Alkaloid Extraction (in relation to N,N-Dimethyltryptamine) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Awesome, thank you! Really good info, great write up too. You also just answered a question I had just logged on to ask -- pH. pH2-4 for the acid suspension , but in the later steps, are there also any pH levels that I should be mindful of, for optimal extraction?

The basic solution's pH should theoretically be above 7. But most teks call for overbasifying at a pH of 12. Going for light basification will require a longer incubation time, to make sure all of the acid has been neutralised and the DMT is in freebase form.

I overbasify to a pH of 12 after salination and I leave it for an hour or so.

 

[Running Bear]

Very few people yield a gram out of 50 grams of MHRB. You have to buy it at the right place at the right time of the year. I would expect 1g of dmt from 100 g of MHRB and about .5 from acacia. Most of the time when you hear about huge yields its because people don't do things like freeze precipitation or Re-X so there not just weighing NN-DMT. Some people want to sound like master dmt extractors on a internet forum so keep that in mind to. Even if it takes you a few hundred grams of acacia to get a gram of dmt pat yourself on the back because that's 20 break through dosages and should last you a while .....

 

[CouchLove]

Very few people yield a gram out of 50 grams of MHRB. You have to buy it at the right place at the right time of the year. I would expect 1g of dmt from 100 g of MHRB and about .5 from acacia. Most of the time when you hear about huge yields its because people don't do things like freeze precipitation or Re-X so there not just weighing NN-DMT. Some people want to sound like master dmt extractors on a internet forum so keep that in mind to. Even if it takes you a few hundred grams of acacia to get a gram of dmt pat yourself on the back because that's 20 break through dosages and should last you a while .....

So tell me Mr. Running Bear, because I see you have answered posts about ACRB and MHRB -- there is an an obvious difference between the yields of the two, due to the NMT in Acacia, but couldn't i just counter act that by lets say... taking more of the spice? If I get a hypothetical yield of lets say 1gram of what ever comes out of the acacia, roughly half of it could be NMT, and the other DMT... Could I not just double he dosage to get the desired amount of DMT in my voyages? As I am keen to break through with an Acacia extract, as MHRB seems to be significantly more expensive...

Also, I just posted another topic about this, but I am curious of the teks above contain steps for defatting...I see that there are clean ups and Re-X's, but are those the same

 

[Running Bear]

If you take your time and do it right you can get good dmt from acacia. When I used acacia I did a acid to base salted extraction. Make sure you do a freeze precipitation. I always re-x my acacia dmt 2-3 times to get the purity that I want. No its not as good as my mimosa dmt but its very close. If you do what I just said you will have very white dmt that will blast you off to the other side of the universe. Only lazy people get 50% NMT. The reason why you think MHRB is so much more expensive is because you haven't done enough research. I get it for nearly the same price as acacia. I don't usually worry about defatting I just do a extra re-x and no there not the same. If you have any questions I would use the chat forum.

 

[Psilosopher?]

Certainly appreciate the input...I am going to scour the internet REMOVED MHRB now, but the ACRB is just so REMOVED . Gosh REMOVED

Please do not make any posts about anything to do with plant material and purchasing it. Those who seek will find what they want. Keep your financial endeavours to yourself.

 

[TGO]

Very few people yield a gram out of 50 grams of MHRB. You have to buy it at the right place at the right time of the year. I would expect 1g of dmt from 100 g of MHRB and about .5 from acacia. Most of the time when you hear about huge yields its because people don't do things like freeze precipitation or Re-X so there not just weighing NN-DMT. Some people want to sound like master dmt extractors on a internet forum so keep that in mind to. Even if it takes you a few hundred grams of acacia to get a gram of dmt pat yourself on the back because that's 20 break through dosages and should last you a while .....

So tell me Mr. Running Bear, because I see you have answered posts about ACRB and MHRB -- there is an an obvious difference between the yields of the two, due to the NMT in Acacia, but couldn't i just counter act that by lets say... taking more of the spice? If I get a hypothetical yield of lets say 1gram of what ever comes out of the acacia, roughly half of it could be NMT, and the other DMT... Could I not just double he dosage to get the desired amount of DMT in my voyages? As I am keen to break through with an Acacia extract, as MHRB seems to be significantly more expensive...

Also, I just posted another topic about this, but I am curious of the teks above contain steps for defatting...I see that there are clean ups and Re-X's, but are those the same

Doubling a dose when you don't know the exact ratios of DMT/NMT in your final product is a risky game to play. It is almost asking for trouble, you know? I just wanted to give you fair warning that you may bite off more than you can chew if you proceed this way. I'm coming from a place of experience with more than a handful of very difficult journeys when I used to do something similar to what you were suggesting.

Anywho...

With ACRB, it is typically best to do a mini A/B on your collected naphtha pulls (as described in Cyb's tek with Earthwalker's clean up steps) and then perform a re-x on the final product. The mini A/B is designed to remove extra fats and oils including NMT.

Good luck and happy extracting!

 

[CouchLove]

Certainly appreciate the input...I am going to scour the internet REMOVED MHRB now, but the ACRB is just so REMOVED . Gosh REMOVED

Please do not make any posts about anything to do with plant material and purchasing it. Those who seek will find what they want. Keep your financial endeavours to yourself.

My apologies

 

[CouchLove]

Doubling a dose when you don't know the exact ratios of DMT/NMT in your final product is a risky game to play. It is almost asking for trouble, you know? I just wanted to give you fair warning that you may bite off more than you can chew if you proceed this way. I'm coming from a place of experience with more than a handful of very difficult journeys when I used to do something similar to what you were suggesting.

Anywho...

With ACRB, it is typically best to do a mini A/B on your collected naphtha pulls (as described in Cyb's tek with Earthwalker's clean up steps) and then perform a re-x on the final product. The mini A/B is designed to remove extra fats and oils including NMT.

Good luck and happy extracting!

I tend to be fond of overly intense tryptamine experiences, so I am not too worried about thing getting out of hand in that regard. You do bring up a valid point though-- the ratio of alkaloids is an unknown...

May try a Re-x, now that I have been hearing from you, and a few others, that the extra step might help, but I was also just told that if I am making it all into changa, it might not really matter. It will still be fire

 

[TGO]

Doubling a dose when you don't know the exact ratios of DMT/NMT in your final product is a risky game to play. It is almost asking for trouble, you know? I just wanted to give you fair warning that you may bite off more than you can chew if you proceed this way. I'm coming from a place of experience with more than a handful of very difficult journeys when I used to do something similar to what you were suggesting.

Anywho...

With ACRB, it is typically best to do a mini A/B on your collected naphtha pulls (as described in Cyb's tek with Earthwalker's clean up steps) and then perform a re-x on the final product. The mini A/B is designed to remove extra fats and oils including NMT.

Good luck and happy extracting!

I tend to be fond of overly intense tryptamine experiences, so I am not too worried about thing getting out of hand in that regard. You do bring up a valid point though-- the ratio of alkaloids is an unknown...

May try a Re-x, now that I have been hearing from you, and a few others, that the extra step might help, but I was also just told that if I am making it all into changa, it might not really matter. It will still be fire

IMO, it will still matter to an extent. My first batch of changa was impure goo from ACRB with a mixture of DMT/NMT and unknown alkaloids because I did not test it. Since the ratios were still unknown in this batch of changa, my experiences would vary from threshold effects to extreme breakthroughs. It was like playing DMT roulette.

After that first batch, I decided to further purify any future extractions so that I could find some consistency in my dosages in relation to trip intensity. This made a world of a difference for me. But hey, that is just one guy's opinion. Please feel free to experiment and find what works best for you.

 

[CouchLove]

I just figure that with Changa it would just be easier to dilute and dial in to the right spot -- star super low, and head up until desired space. But yes, that is a valid point. Certainly appreciate all the input. Gives me more to think about. There is so much good content here. It makes me happy.