Questions.. Cyb's teks

[Basics]

Hi all. Thank you for your time spent reading my post.

I've a ton of questions regarding this at the moment an I'm sure more will pop up. Thanks for your patience! Please don't feel you need to answer all, any you can answer is very helpful.

I'm a bit short on freezer space..

1. Would I be able to do a few pulls and put them all in the same glass dish in the freezer?

Say pulls 1-3 and 4-7 or even 1-7 if there is room?

2. How long should I wait between pulls?

3.If I were scale this up to 100g mhrb would I need to scale everything else up as well? I would think that the basified water would be fine as is or would it get too thick/muddy for the pulls to work properly?

4. Is head space (air) important in the jar?


I've got this really old all glass Kilner jar, only the band is metal. Even the lid is glass. Very exciting :thumb_up: Bought it at a carboot(flea market). Weird thing is it looks like there is a bit of white crystals already in the bottom. It also smell like lighter fluid... Hmmmmmm it will be getting a good clean either way.


5. What temp range am I aiming for in these these baths? Curious if this is a fish tank heater or a crockpot job.

6. How long would you recommend for the initial soak and the soaks between pulls in the heat bath? Is an hour all thats needed?

In regards to the Max Ion tek:

7. For the freeze thaws could you speed up the thaws with a slow temp rise heat bath? I think a fish tank heater would be idea for this.

8. Pulls, says to add minimal amount of ‘warm/hot’ NPS. Can I get an approx ml here? 10? 100? How much per pull? 7 pulls in total?


Sorry for all the questions... I tried UTSE but obviously only got opinions on some things and I think some of my questions are just silly and need some one with experience to point me in the right direction.

Thank you everyone and thank you Cyb for the awesome teks! 8)

 

[LRx]

I also have an interest in all of these questions, as I am using Cyb's teks myself... Yesterday, I did a 50g extraction with heptane and got 150mg DMT.
Lets just say I was extremely disappointed as my first extraction went better than that.
Anyone's feedback would be great!

EDIT: Re-froze my heptane afterwards and got another 100mg. I was kind of happy.

 

[wearepeople]

First off, I suggest you read all of the STB and A/B teks there are on the WIKI. It will help you develop a feel for different options you have at different steps. :thumb_up:



1. Would I be able to do a few pulls and put them all in the same glass dish in the freezer?
Yes

Say pulls 1-3 and 4-7 or even 1-7 if there is room?
You can also evaporate some of the naphtha so the DMT concentration in it is higher. 7 pulls seems excessive, 4 or 5 seems safe to me. That is just my opinion though.

2. How long should I wait between pulls?
Opinions may vary on this drastically, I usually roll the jar for about 30 min between pulls.

3.If I were scale this up to 100g mhrb would I need to scale everything else up as well? I would think that the basified water would be fine as is or would it get too thick/muddy for the pulls to work properly?
If I were you, I'd start with 50g and follow the TEK exactly. For the base step, you need to hit a pH of about 12.

4. Is head space (air) important in the jar?
Not sure on this one.


I've got this really old all glass Kilner jar, only the band is metal. Even the lid is glass. Very exciting :thumb_up: Bought it at a carboot(flea market). Weird thing is it looks like there is a bit of white crystals already in the bottom. It also smell like lighter fluid... Hmmmmmm it will be getting a good clean either way.
good find! be careful freezing it though, as metal and glass expand/contract at different rates.


5. What temp range am I aiming for in these these baths? Curious if this is a fish tank heater or a crockpot job.
I'm not sure about the acid bath temp but when when I'm doing pulls with Naphtha I aim for 125F.

6. How long would you recommend for the initial soak and the soaks between pulls in the heat bath? Is an hour all thats needed?
Not sure on this one.

In regards to the Max Ion tek:

7. For the freeze thaws could you speed up the thaws with a slow temp rise heat bath? I think a fish tank heater would be idea for this.
I'm not too sure on this one, but I think as long as you don't burn the bark, heating it up at any rate should be fine.

8. Pulls, says to add minimal amount of ‘warm/hot’ NPS. Can I get an approx ml here? 10? 100? How much per pull? 7 pulls in total?
probably 50 to 75mL. I usually use 100mL pulls on 100g extractions

 

[cyb]

Basics

1.All pulls can be combined in one dish...evap to air a little first, to concentrate the pulls. Then freeze all in one go.

2.Don't wait between pulls...just add nps, roll/shake, let seperate x 4 place in a dish...then go again.
(takes around half hour to do this for each pulling session)

3.Scaling up...100g bark will work fine in 1 litre of water so everything is the same...maybe a little more salt and lye...
As long as it's not sludgy youre OK...if it is...add more water.
The ingredient amounts are for the amount of water you use....not the amount of bark...so scaling up depends on how much liquid you want to use.

4.Head space is only important because you need to mix the NPS and the base mix...so you need a bit of space to 'slosh' it around...don't forget to loosen the cap to release the pressure.

5. Temp range...Well I boil a pan of water...turn off the heat...place the jar in the water and walk away...when the water has cooled a fair bit and the jar can be touched...I repeat the heating. Temp range is a guess...but I imagine a steady 40C would do it if you have a heat plate.

6.Soaks...an hour minimum for the acid...24hrs is better if you have the patience.
An hour minimum for the base...more if you have the patience.
Once you are pulling the NPS out...just keep pulling...doesn't matter about leaving to soak in between pulls.

Max Ion:

7.Yes you can use heat to speed up the thaws.

8. Minimal NPS...depends on your extraction vessel...40-50ml is a good amount...but if you have a wide mouthed vessel, that amount will spread very thin on the surface.
That's why it's better to have a thin necked bottle.
*Remember that when you Re-X...1g of spice will sit comfortably in 30ml of NPS...
So any more than 50ml for you pulls and it won't saturate very well and will be more difficult to drop out in the freeze precipitation stage....
The more concentrated the better.

The first 2 pulls are where you will get most of the spice....but just keep pulling till you're only getting say...10mg out...beyond that, it's not worth the hassle.

There you go
cyb

 

[Basics]

Thanks both for the detailed replys!

I'll let you know how I get on!

 

[LRx]

Thank you both for your replies. I did another extraction last night and did phenomenally; I have yet to weigh my yield, but it appears very nice.

I couldn't have done it without everyone here, thanks again.

 

[Basics]

Heres another one...

Should I freeze in my jars? I would have though it would be fine if the jars are not too full and the lids were loose.

Suggestions?

Cheers

 

[cyb]

Freeze in a flat bottomed dish...jars are a nightmare to scrape out.

 

[Basics]

Sorry I should have been more specific. I was referring to the freeze/thaw step. Thanks

 

[cyb]

I was referring to the freeze/thaw step.

Sure you can...if they have thick enough glass to withstand the cold/hot heat stressing.
Slow thaws if unsure.

 

[Basics]

Hi Cyb.

Thanks for the reply and reassurance.

Is it possible to do further pulls with xylene after heptane stops pulling anything? Would i possible pull some red jungle spice hat might be able to be mixed into the other pulls?

I've posted this in the official extraction help thread but thought I might put it here as well.

Hi All,

Could you please tell me what other materials could be used for containers?

I'm going to use Cyb's salt tek first and them Max Ion to run a comparison between the two.

I was planning on using all glass though I was curios what out materials may work. I would hope that its obvious that metal is a no no, but I was wondering if some plastics might be alright, such as HDPE or polypropylene.

Ive done some Google and come up wih ldpe/hdpe should be ok with the NaOH. And in my case I would be using heptane it appears that as it is a Aliphatic hydrocarbon HDPE would be the way to go.

Can anyone confirm this my my own personal reassurance and possibly recommend any other options that there may be?

Love and light,

Basics

 

[cyb]

Dunno bout xylene...never used it.

Glass bottles are definitely the best way to go...
1litre drinks/spirits bottles even wine bottles are cool. As long as you can get a pulling baster/syringe down the neck.
You can do 50-100g extracts in a 1 litre bottle easy. If you have more bark...just have a few on the go.

Stay away from plastics...they won't take the heat.

 

[wearepeople]

Is it possible to do further pulls with xylene after heptane stops pulling anything? Would i possible pull some red jungle spice hat might be able to be mixed into the other pulls?

Yes, you definitely can pull with Xylene after doing your Naphtha pulls.

You have a couple choices once you've pulled with Xylene:
1) FASA
2) evaporate

Freeze precipitation does not work with Xylene.

Also, after evaporating Xylene, it's been previously recommend to wash the stuff with acetone.

Evapped DMT from Xylene after pulling with Naphtha is my favorite kind of DMT. For me, it came out light brown and relatively gooey at first. I kept working it with a razor blade and it started to stiffen after a while. It eventually became the consistency of hashish. I was able to make a ball of it then pull of little pieces and roll them into little balls for measured doses.

Also, the trip from this stuff definitely felt different. It felt more "organic". Lots of browns, yellows, greens. The smoke is very smooth and tastes slightly different than regular DMT. It tasted a little more floral in my opinion.

As much as I like this "type" of DMT, I don't do this method often. It's a serious pain to evap Xylene because it very pungent, it doesn't take much to make a BIG smell. Two things about that, make sure you have LOTS of ventilation, like outdoors. Secondly, make sure you can do it in a place that won't raise eyebrows of nosy neighbors. If you do decide to evaporate Xylene, do pretty small pulls, like 50mL or so.

Would i possible pull some red jungle spice hat might be able to be mixed into the other pulls.

I wouldn't mix your pulls together as Xylene does not allow for freeze precipitation.

You could though if you're going to do a 100% evaporation.


Have Fun! I'm happy you're looking into getting every last bit of DMT outta that bark :d

 

[Basics]

Thanks for the reply guys!

Ive finally received my mhrb.

Its shredded and I'm struggling to get much powered. I've tried coffee grinder and blender. both new. Coffee grinder did ok, got about 50g done then it just stopped working.

I've got the blender though. I'm thinking about soaking in water, then putting in the blender to see how that does... I'm thinking it would leave it some what chunky possible. Have you guys heard of anyone else doing this?

I might have to take this coffee grinder back for an exchange... I thought It might have over heated after i stopped using it but it wont start again...:shock:

Anyways working with the blender now. Any ideas on doing it wet?

 

[Basics]

Can anyone help me scale down the max ion tek? My jars only hold about 8-900 mils in total. Apparently they are 2 pound jars :surprised

I dont want to do the ratios wrong!

Also has any one tested the additional freezes? I've done one and just seems like it would take ages to do 3 freeze thaws.

Also is it ok to do the freeze thaws after the acid step still in the acid?

 

[oldsoul]

I've got the blender though. I'm thinking about soaking in water, then putting in the blender to see how that does... I'm thinking it would leave it some what chunky possible. Have you guys heard of anyone else doing this?

That's what I do, let it freeze/thaw twice, then the bark will absorb liquid and become easier to grind up in the blender. Add excess liquid, so you can shake it up to mix blended/non-blended pieces, if its only moist, you need to shake it like hell to redistribute.

Also make sure the blender has an all-steel drive shaft, otherwise it will likely break/burn out like your coffee grinder. Good luck!

 

[Basics]

Yeah blender has a plastic drive shaft. Coffee grinder is working again though. There was dust keeping the safety switch from being pressed.

Sorry for the short reply busy doing warm soaks about to do my first pulls

 

[Basics]

Hi guys,

Followed salt tek to the T. Added in a freeze thaw before.

Did two jars. One with 50g one with 100g. Froze and thawed both jars once in acid bath then basified for an hour in a heat bath then pulled with 50ml heptane each. Freeze preciped over night in a -17c freezer.

Came out with I'd describe as a tanish colour. Feels waxy and looks like all dmt Ive ever seen before in person before this. Just seems odd to me as I was half expecting it to come out white or slightly yellow without re-x.

Thoughts?

Thanks