re-x - what is the red at the bottom?

[artificer]

Looking for some insight from those with experience in re-x...

I have a 250mL pyrex bottle of heptane highly concentrated with DMT + whatever else got dissolved when heating it and the spice to 55-60C. I have already decanted twice (and I've held onto the "discard" hoping to pull more later as fumarate via FASA), and although it is certainly more clean than before decanting, leaving the bottle sit for 20 hours or so at room temperature grew some beautiful white crystals, but at the bottom of the bottle sits a layer of red liquid. Is this dmt-oxide? Or other alkaloids like jungle spice?

If it is jungle spice, I want to keep that for later separately but I'd like to end up with some good clean white crystals without the red. I just heated it up and with a quick shake it all fully dissolved without layering (homogenous), and my intent is to let it cool to room temperature and then decant again once the red layer shows up at the bottom, and transfer the light yellow liquid to another bottle for crystallization with crystals as white as possible.

Judging by the speed at which the crystals grew at 24-25C, it is very super-saturated.

Do any of you have more than just speculation of what the red would be, and what do with it? If it's dmt-oxide would it dissolve at 50C and separate at 30C like mine is doing? Would jungle spice do the same? I understand n-heptane is more selective, but I just don't have the experience to understand if maybe the higher temps still let the jungle spice dissolve in it. If it is oxide, I would probably try to convert back to NN-DMT.

Sorry I wish I had a camera to snap some pics. Too much paranoia to be using cell phone camera.

-Artificer

 

[Voidmatrix]

Good question. I have some I've been rexing and I keep getting some of the same reddish orange repeatedly. I'm going to try and mini a/b next.

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[artificer]

harumph. if it is oligomeric DMT, is there a way to make it not dirty up the pretty white crystals? I'm not afraid to smoalk it, but tis annoying

 

[Voidmatrix]

try a mini a/b

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[artificer]

try a mini a/b

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I have an idea. Since the red oils (assuming oligomerized dmt) dissolve well at warmer temps, perhaps i can do FASA while the DMT saturated heptane is @40-45C? My only prior experience with FASA is when the DMT was saturated in acetone at room temp. The theory is, if this works, that it would accumulate the fumarate precipitate without oil layer. If I try to do this at room temp, I would be collecting fumarates on top of a thin layer of oil, which I'm trying to avoid.

Any reason not to test this out?

 

[Voidmatrix]

I'm the wrong one to ask. I've never done FASA, one of the many things that I still need to try out and play with.

If only @Transform were here.

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[artificer]

ok, thanks for the quick reply

 

[Voidmatrix]

Yeah, I'm just going to let it be this time.
I thought that by recrystalizing another batch with the problem one, any impurities could be anchors for the potential impurities causing discoloration in the first one. But nope.

It's all good.

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[bezevo]

DMT is Polymorfik ....it can be a clear oil ,goo , red , white , yellow , tan , oil, waxy , crystals .......it all tests as DMT , some forms are harder to vape or desolve ect but its all DMT , jungle spice debunked it tests 97% DMT
.why is this not common knowledge ? ..
.. but a water wash before putting in freezer ,good idea this should ensure most all contams gone . or so that's what reading all the ....LATEST Infot tells me .
some people can get the goo ect to rex into crystal form ect ,,

All of this is based on a few papers i read in last few years , not from my personal work

AFOF ... just uses goo or oil , for changa ,

I AM NO EXSPERT HEH SPIRT ha

i failed high school basic chemestry ,, to distracted ha ha

good luck

Polymorphism is related to allotropy, which refers to elemental solids. The complete morphology of a material is described by polymorphism

Crystal polymorphism

In crystallography, polymorphism is the phenomenon where a compound or element can crystallize into more than one crystal structure.
The preceding definition has evolved over many years and is still under discussion today.[1][2][3] Discussion of the defining characteristics of polymorphism involves distinguishing among types of transitions and structural changes occurring in polymorphism versus those in other phenomena.

Overview

Phase transitions (phase changes) that help describe polymorphism include polymorphic transitions as well as melting and vaporization transitions. According to IUPAC, a polymorphic transition is "A reversible transition of a solid crystalline phase at a certain temperature and pressure (the inversion point) to another phase of the same chemical composition with a different crystal structure."[4] Additionally, Walter McCrone described the phases in polymorphic matter as "different in crystal structure but identical in the liquid or vapor states." McCrone also defines a polymorph as "a crystalline phase of a given compound resulting from the possibility of at least two different arrangements of the molecules of that compound in the solid state."[5][6] These defining facts imply that polymorphism involves changes in physical properties but cannot include chemical change. Some early definitions do not make this distinction.

Eliminating chemical change from those changes permissible during a polymorphic transition delineates polymorphism. For example, isomerization can often lead to polymorphic transitions. However, tautomerism (dynamic isomerization) leads to chemical change, not polymorphism.[1] As well, allotropy of elements and polymorphism have been linked historically. However, allotropes of an element are not always polymorphs. A common example is the allotropes of carbon, which include graphite, diamond, and londsdaleite. While all three forms are allotropes, graphite is not a polymorph of diamond and londsdaleite. Isomerization and allotropy are only two of the phenomena linked to polymorphism.





BEZ

 

[Voidmatrix]

Thank you. I ain't gonna lie, I was just letting my paranoia get the better of me.
Deep down I knew it was likely fine



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[artificer]

just a quick followup - while the heptane re-x process by decanting for the cleanest portion and freeze precipitating got me some great freebase (bright yellowish white pretty crystals, clean effects) - in hindsight, I think i would have been better off skipping heptane altogether and dissolved that all in minimal amount of anhydrous acetone and then FASA the lot of it, then back to freebase for small portion of that. I did this with small portion of it and was amazed at how quick the process was to get dmt fumarate crystals, without a freezer. The freeze precipitate part of heptane for me is always a rollercoaster ride of seeing the beautiful crystals and then I can never get them all without some dissolving back in to heptane before I'm done. FASA in acetone works marvelously simple, doing FASA with heptane is murky business. If I had started with plan with acetone and FASA, I'm a lot more confident that I would've gotten maximum product with minimal effort.