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Reality Is A Scripted Computer Simulation For The Soul
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Another tought that might spark more idea's
On the turtle where this is a Computer Simulation ,,
Who exactly runs the Simulation ?
Can the simulation be hacked by other computers from the outside ?
Bringing in Scientology into the picture
then thinking about The soul in the Simulation being programmed by ones self
They say every Body/Machine that holds the soul while here , is acctually carrying alot more then 1 soul but many
Then maybe many Souls have jumped into the lessons provided by the simulation
or maybe adding some other Bad\Good type of Religious concepts
The MachineBody Whos simulation is scripted to teach a lesson , is being hacked by other computers to influence the lesson , distrupt it , curroupt the outcome ,
so we evolved the idea of Devil VS God
into Lead Programmer Vs Hackers
Could be also throwing in Infinite Time Dimension universes theory
Considering the body *Scientology stream
Is really holding alot of diffrent souls up for the trip
And then Absolving the Lead Programmer vs Hacker & God vs Devil on the Choices and lessons learnt on the scripted simulation
Could it be that maybe The choices presented to one(acctually many) are not really choices but A station for some of the Participents of the lessons to jump train
Ill try say it better since i feel its a bit Vauge
Saying that the Body Carry's 100 souls and the simulation offers a lesson and addin in the concept of good evil and what will the soul choose to do or learn presented the lesson
so on the points of the lesson or action to be made , as they say theres usually just a bad choice that will lead to the repeat of the lesson and a good one to continue to the next
Can we think that on that moment splits in dimensions occour since diffrent spirits in the lesson have chosen diffrent path's ?
to try and connect these concepts even more
If this is A scripted Simulation , Where is the room for error ?
or are we sugguesting that there is no errors to be made
just lessons to be repeated ?
It could be that there are no errors to be made , yet that at some point the Body no longer is capable of tuning into the lesson thus leading for the body to turn into a soulless machine type you mentioned earlier
On the turtle where this is a Computer Simulation ,,
Who exactly runs the Simulation ?
Can the simulation be hacked by other computers from the outside ?
Bringing in Scientology into the picture
then thinking about The soul in the Simulation being programmed by ones self
They say every Body/Machine that holds the soul while here , is acctually carrying alot more then 1 soul but many
Then maybe many Souls have jumped into the lessons provided by the simulation
or maybe adding some other Bad\Good type of Religious concepts
The MachineBody Whos simulation is scripted to teach a lesson , is being hacked by other computers to influence the lesson , distrupt it , curroupt the outcome ,
so we evolved the idea of Devil VS God
into Lead Programmer Vs Hackers
Could be also throwing in Infinite Time Dimension universes theory
Considering the body *Scientology stream
Is really holding alot of diffrent souls up for the trip
And then Absolving the Lead Programmer vs Hacker & God vs Devil on the Choices and lessons learnt on the scripted simulation
Could it be that maybe The choices presented to one(acctually many) are not really choices but A station for some of the Participents of the lessons to jump train
Ill try say it better since i feel its a bit Vauge
Saying that the Body Carry's 100 souls and the simulation offers a lesson and addin in the concept of good evil and what will the soul choose to do or learn presented the lesson
so on the points of the lesson or action to be made , as they say theres usually just a bad choice that will lead to the repeat of the lesson and a good one to continue to the next
Can we think that on that moment splits in dimensions occour since diffrent spirits in the lesson have chosen diffrent path's ?
to try and connect these concepts even more
If this is A scripted Simulation , Where is the room for error ?
or are we sugguesting that there is no errors to be made
just lessons to be repeated ?
It could be that there are no errors to be made , yet that at some point the Body no longer is capable of tuning into the lesson thus leading for the body to turn into a soulless machine type you mentioned earlier
I'd like to clarify some details.
Our bodies are just computer generated images.
When i was at a festival, i was sitting at my tent. I watched people walk by while their bodies morphed. An example of this would be, i saw a tall white man change into a short black man, then change into a medium sized asian man. it sort of looked like the "changing body suits" in a scanner darkly.
I also saw a food delivery guy change from one of my friend's body images to the delivery guy's main image.
the delivery guy, and the festival, leads me to believe our bodies are just computer generated images.
So this makes me wonder who the people around me are at certain times.
When i was in jail, i believe a higher power gave me some information. some of the information said that my family members were the ones orchestrating my computer generated reality. everything is 100% written, planned, created, scripted, and designed.
i wonder if my family and friends are visiting me in different bodies at different times.
By saying everything is computer generated, you are saying your images(eyesight), signals(feelings), and information(thoughts), are computer generated. Also, there is no such thing as age, medical ailments, food, water, medicine/drugs/alcohol, money, beautiful, or ugly. You can keep adding to that list as you please.
i stated in my first post that human beings are souls attached to CGI robots.
our bodies being just images means that aging bodies are created to be the way they are. you are simply changing the body image to appear "older". also, say you are a 25 year old black man. if god wanted, your body image could change into a 75 year old asian man, instantly.
there is no food or water either, just computer generated images of food and water. when you are thirsty or hungry, that is just a signal of thirst or hunger and information in your head saying you are thirsty or hungry.
there are no medical ailments, just images ,signals and information. our bodies are just images.
medicine/drugs/alcohol are not real either. medicine/drugs/alcohol are again an image, signal, and information.
because i believe we are souls attached to CGI robots, i believe when we take a drug, there is almost like a switch somewhere that we flip on or off. when it is on, he feel "high" from the medicine/drugs/alcohol. then later that "high" switch is turned off. you dont need to ingest any "computer generated image drugs", to experience the "high" from them.
because i believe that medicine/drugs/alcohol are just images, signals, and information, i believe that all drug experiences are god given. that means that things like dmt and mushrooms, are all god given experiences. you experience what you are supposed experience.
when i saw the bodies change at the festival, i was on shrooms. but i dont believe the drugs are "real" (at least not real in how we were told they are), so i believe my shroom trip with seeing the bodies morph was a god given experience. it was an experience i could have had without ingesting any "drug images".
One time i took some "computer generated shrooms" in my apartment. i was talking to someone in my head. they said "you will be leaving this reality soon." i responded to the voice "what about my friends and family?". the voice then said "dont worry, they are coming with you!".
again, i believe it was not the drug image of shrooms that i ate, but an activation of an experience god wanted me to have. and all experiences or memories are 100% written, planned, created, scripted, and designed to be exactly the way they are.
money is not real either. its probably just a test from god. everything is computer generated, so everything really is free.
beautiful and ugly are just signals we receive. they can be turned on or off at any time.
also, because everything is computer generated, the laws of our "universe", such as physics, are completely created by god, and can change at any time. science is a creation by god as well. things react as they are designed and scripted to react.
thanks for reading
Our bodies are just computer generated images.
When i was at a festival, i was sitting at my tent. I watched people walk by while their bodies morphed. An example of this would be, i saw a tall white man change into a short black man, then change into a medium sized asian man. it sort of looked like the "changing body suits" in a scanner darkly.
I also saw a food delivery guy change from one of my friend's body images to the delivery guy's main image.
the delivery guy, and the festival, leads me to believe our bodies are just computer generated images.
So this makes me wonder who the people around me are at certain times.
When i was in jail, i believe a higher power gave me some information. some of the information said that my family members were the ones orchestrating my computer generated reality. everything is 100% written, planned, created, scripted, and designed.
i wonder if my family and friends are visiting me in different bodies at different times.
By saying everything is computer generated, you are saying your images(eyesight), signals(feelings), and information(thoughts), are computer generated. Also, there is no such thing as age, medical ailments, food, water, medicine/drugs/alcohol, money, beautiful, or ugly. You can keep adding to that list as you please.
i stated in my first post that human beings are souls attached to CGI robots.
our bodies being just images means that aging bodies are created to be the way they are. you are simply changing the body image to appear "older". also, say you are a 25 year old black man. if god wanted, your body image could change into a 75 year old asian man, instantly.
there is no food or water either, just computer generated images of food and water. when you are thirsty or hungry, that is just a signal of thirst or hunger and information in your head saying you are thirsty or hungry.
there are no medical ailments, just images ,signals and information. our bodies are just images.
medicine/drugs/alcohol are not real either. medicine/drugs/alcohol are again an image, signal, and information.
because i believe we are souls attached to CGI robots, i believe when we take a drug, there is almost like a switch somewhere that we flip on or off. when it is on, he feel "high" from the medicine/drugs/alcohol. then later that "high" switch is turned off. you dont need to ingest any "computer generated image drugs", to experience the "high" from them.
because i believe that medicine/drugs/alcohol are just images, signals, and information, i believe that all drug experiences are god given. that means that things like dmt and mushrooms, are all god given experiences. you experience what you are supposed experience.
when i saw the bodies change at the festival, i was on shrooms. but i dont believe the drugs are "real" (at least not real in how we were told they are), so i believe my shroom trip with seeing the bodies morph was a god given experience. it was an experience i could have had without ingesting any "drug images".
One time i took some "computer generated shrooms" in my apartment. i was talking to someone in my head. they said "you will be leaving this reality soon." i responded to the voice "what about my friends and family?". the voice then said "dont worry, they are coming with you!".
again, i believe it was not the drug image of shrooms that i ate, but an activation of an experience god wanted me to have. and all experiences or memories are 100% written, planned, created, scripted, and designed to be exactly the way they are.
money is not real either. its probably just a test from god. everything is computer generated, so everything really is free.
beautiful and ugly are just signals we receive. they can be turned on or off at any time.
also, because everything is computer generated, the laws of our "universe", such as physics, are completely created by god, and can change at any time. science is a creation by god as well. things react as they are designed and scripted to react.
thanks for reading
A lot of affirmations, not even a single question.
So what do you want, people to confirm what you're saying? or just read it in silence?
Are you expecting some kind of dialogue or discussion? If so, then maybe propose a discussion or dialogue, ask questions.. What is it that you're less sure about? Maybe point out where the weak points in your own argument/theory is, so others can help build on it, change it, or argue against it. We should always be the most fervent questioners of our own ideas.
What do you think can be improved in the ideas? What do you think can be actually tested and proven/disproven with some kind of experiment, if anything?
So what do you want, people to confirm what you're saying? or just read it in silence?
Are you expecting some kind of dialogue or discussion? If so, then maybe propose a discussion or dialogue, ask questions.. What is it that you're less sure about? Maybe point out where the weak points in your own argument/theory is, so others can help build on it, change it, or argue against it. We should always be the most fervent questioners of our own ideas.
What do you think can be improved in the ideas? What do you think can be actually tested and proven/disproven with some kind of experiment, if anything?
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Assuming that this is true, what is the use of it or rather how is knowing about it different than not knowing about it?
If others change and morph do you then change and morph?
If everything is scripted and designed then who has the script and who does not?
If we are souls attached to CGI:
How are souls formed?
Where are they stored?
When not in the CGI program what do they experience?
How many are there?
What if you and only you are real and this is all an experiment to see what you will do?
And if so, why?
What use is that and how and to whom and what is the goal?
If others change and morph do you then change and morph?
If everything is scripted and designed then who has the script and who does not?
If we are souls attached to CGI:
How are souls formed?
Where are they stored?
When not in the CGI program what do they experience?
How many are there?
What if you and only you are real and this is all an experiment to see what you will do?
And if so, why?
What use is that and how and to whom and what is the goal?
Exactly. You cannot KNOW any of this stuff.Jees said:Reality Is A Scripted Computer Simulation For The Soul.
Why "Is" and not "may be" ?
A little imperative today aren't we?
If we're in a simulation, then all of this is just a simulation. But even when this is the case, we're still stuck in that simulation.
We don't know, and are incapable of knowing, about anything outside of it.
So our lives may be CGI entirely, but it's still our lives.
We cannot change any of that.
The love you feel for the people around you is real. The pain you feel when you are being hurt, or anybody you care about, is real. The excitement, the fear, the sadness or the joy....that's all real. The choices you make are real choices.
And THESE are the things that matter.
They are the only things that are undisputably real. The only real things of wich we can know, with absolute certainty, that they are real.
So if you want something real.....this is as real as it gets.
And as we've already had a lennon quote here, i'm sure you folks don't mind if i'm now gonna quote another immortal icon of western civilization here:"you got to ro-ho-holl with the punches, and get to what's real".
endlessness said:
I realize that my comment here doesn't add much if anything, but:
^^^ what you said I mostly agree with
First off, I want to apologize. I did not mean to offend anyone by sharing my beliefs.
I've got a lot of love for the nexus and all its members. So the last thing I would want to do is offend anyone here with my beliefs. So im sorry if I offended anyone.
I was hoping others might read this forum topic and comment on how their beliefs may be similar or different than mine.
If my beliefs are true, I would have to say the point of the simulation is probably different for different people.
Ive already stated that love is the reason for my life.
The point of your life may be different.
I found an interesting web page that discusses life reviews.
This web page discusses how important it is to show love for one another.
here is a quote from Albert Einstein
“A human being is a part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feeling as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.” -Einstein
I think this also means we must love one another "by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures..."
and heres a quote by Stanislav Grof
"Individuals approaching death often experience encounters with their dead relatives, who seem to welcome them to the next world. These deathbed visions are authentic and convincing they are often followed by a state of euphoria and seem to ease the transition." -Grof
There are a lot of reports out there about people on their deathbeds seeing dead relatives in the room. If this is computer simulation, and our bodies are just images, it would be possible for people to appear to one person, but not another. maybe once you die you can change your personality or body image as much as you would like. and you could come back to visit your "living" relatives.
And maybe your friends and family who have passed on come back in different bodies at different times in your life to help you. Isnt that a nice thought?
I have more to write, but I must go now.
Thanks everyone
I've got a lot of love for the nexus and all its members. So the last thing I would want to do is offend anyone here with my beliefs. So im sorry if I offended anyone.
I was hoping others might read this forum topic and comment on how their beliefs may be similar or different than mine.
If my beliefs are true, I would have to say the point of the simulation is probably different for different people.
Ive already stated that love is the reason for my life.
The point of your life may be different.
I found an interesting web page that discusses life reviews.
This web page discusses how important it is to show love for one another.
here is a quote from Albert Einstein
“A human being is a part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feeling as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.” -Einstein
I think this also means we must love one another "by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures..."
and heres a quote by Stanislav Grof
"Individuals approaching death often experience encounters with their dead relatives, who seem to welcome them to the next world. These deathbed visions are authentic and convincing they are often followed by a state of euphoria and seem to ease the transition." -Grof
There are a lot of reports out there about people on their deathbeds seeing dead relatives in the room. If this is computer simulation, and our bodies are just images, it would be possible for people to appear to one person, but not another. maybe once you die you can change your personality or body image as much as you would like. and you could come back to visit your "living" relatives.
And maybe your friends and family who have passed on come back in different bodies at different times in your life to help you. Isnt that a nice thought?
I have more to write, but I must go now.
Thanks everyone
PsyDuckmonkey
witch
Well from what I gather this is mostly the reiteration of plain old Hinduism, with modern words like "CGI" and "computer" added for woo factor. Replacing the word "illusion" with "simulation" doesn't make it new or revolutionary. Most psychonauts have had similar thoughts and have read a lot of similar literature.
Honestly, it's very hard to discuss personal beliefs, because, you know, there isn't a whole lot to discuss about them. It's perfectly okay to share your reality, but if you come off as a preacher, people may get, well, not offended exactly, but defensive in the least. A lot of us have bad experiences with priests of various kinds.
Honestly, it's very hard to discuss personal beliefs, because, you know, there isn't a whole lot to discuss about them. It's perfectly okay to share your reality, but if you come off as a preacher, people may get, well, not offended exactly, but defensive in the least. A lot of us have bad experiences with priests of various kinds.
Hello. Interesting discussion. Want to add that physicist are looking into this too. For example:
1) It turns out that we may be able to test for the existence of particular types of simulations that we imagine/define (as dreamer said, we may not be able to come up with what kind of simulation we are in, so we can only rule out or confirm certain simulation types). Today, physicists are looking for an asymmetry in high energy cosmic rays that may reveal an underlying simulation lattice. Right now it's about gathering data to constrain the statistical noise while looking for a signal.
2) Physicists are attempting to simulate our universe as faithfully as possible using quantum chromodynamics. They have claimed some success and say they can simulate a tiny volume of space a few fentometers across in such a way that it is close to "indistinguishable" from our real space. If they keep on improving their simulation and one day simulate an entire cell or even a concious entity, by induction that would indicate that we ourselves are very likely simulated.
3) There is moar physics to bring to the table too. The universal constants "tuning" problem could be explained neatly.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Physcisits writing/reading these kind of papers have a monotub regularly growing in their closet
:twisted:
More reading:
www.technologyreview.com
1) It turns out that we may be able to test for the existence of particular types of simulations that we imagine/define (as dreamer said, we may not be able to come up with what kind of simulation we are in, so we can only rule out or confirm certain simulation types). Today, physicists are looking for an asymmetry in high energy cosmic rays that may reveal an underlying simulation lattice. Right now it's about gathering data to constrain the statistical noise while looking for a signal.
2) Physicists are attempting to simulate our universe as faithfully as possible using quantum chromodynamics. They have claimed some success and say they can simulate a tiny volume of space a few fentometers across in such a way that it is close to "indistinguishable" from our real space. If they keep on improving their simulation and one day simulate an entire cell or even a concious entity, by induction that would indicate that we ourselves are very likely simulated.
3) There is moar physics to bring to the table too. The universal constants "tuning" problem could be explained neatly.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Physcisits writing/reading these kind of papers have a monotub regularly growing in their closet
:twisted: More reading:
The Measurement That Would Reveal The Universe As A Computer Simulation
If the cosmos is a numerical simulation, there ought to be clues in the spectrum of high energy cosmic rays, say theorists
I just want to take a moment to share some things.
With all my heart, i want to thank my significant other, and also thank my family and friends, for making my life possible.
I believe god is made up of my significant other, myself, and my family and friends. its possible that everyone's lives are orchestrated by their own significant other, themselves, and their family and friends.
i believe god has been putting me through learning experiences throughout the years. which is to say my significant other, myself, and my family and friends have been putting me through learning experiences throughout the years. all the experiences are 100% written, planned, created, scripted, and designed.
i believe, because i am a part of god, that i helped plan my life as well. i just dont have access to the memories of me planning out my life, while i am "logged into" this life.
you go through difficult experiences when you are younger, so that you can truly appreciate good things when you are older.
i know god has been teaching me things throughout the years.
more recently, jail and the mental health system were creations of god, to put me through learning experiences. one big lesson i learned in jail and in the mental health system, is, DO NOT hurt anyone, unless it's in self defense, or in defense of someone else. god really made that one clear.
all the lessons are 100% written, planned, created, scripted, and designed. you experience what you are supposed to experience.
there's a song by angels and airwaves called rite of spring. there is one part of the lyrics that i really like. it goes "If i had a chance for another try, i wouldnt change a thing, its made me all who i am inside, and if i could thank god, that i am here and that i am alive..."
if i could do it all over again, i wouldnt really change much.
as i stated before, the reason for my life is love! i am in love with my significant other, and she is the reason for all of this!
i really want to thank god, because god has given me everything! i am surrounded by wonderful people that i believe god put into my life for a reason! my life is heavenly!
i feel as though i have learned alot over the years, and i am ready to move onto the next stage of life, whatever that may be.
thanks for reading. any and all input is appreciated. please share your own individual beliefs on reality and life with me in this topic. THANKS!
With all my heart, i want to thank my significant other, and also thank my family and friends, for making my life possible.
I believe god is made up of my significant other, myself, and my family and friends. its possible that everyone's lives are orchestrated by their own significant other, themselves, and their family and friends.
i believe god has been putting me through learning experiences throughout the years. which is to say my significant other, myself, and my family and friends have been putting me through learning experiences throughout the years. all the experiences are 100% written, planned, created, scripted, and designed.
i believe, because i am a part of god, that i helped plan my life as well. i just dont have access to the memories of me planning out my life, while i am "logged into" this life.
you go through difficult experiences when you are younger, so that you can truly appreciate good things when you are older.
i know god has been teaching me things throughout the years.
more recently, jail and the mental health system were creations of god, to put me through learning experiences. one big lesson i learned in jail and in the mental health system, is, DO NOT hurt anyone, unless it's in self defense, or in defense of someone else. god really made that one clear.
all the lessons are 100% written, planned, created, scripted, and designed. you experience what you are supposed to experience.
there's a song by angels and airwaves called rite of spring. there is one part of the lyrics that i really like. it goes "If i had a chance for another try, i wouldnt change a thing, its made me all who i am inside, and if i could thank god, that i am here and that i am alive..."
if i could do it all over again, i wouldnt really change much.
as i stated before, the reason for my life is love! i am in love with my significant other, and she is the reason for all of this!
i really want to thank god, because god has given me everything! i am surrounded by wonderful people that i believe god put into my life for a reason! my life is heavenly!
i feel as though i have learned alot over the years, and i am ready to move onto the next stage of life, whatever that may be.
thanks for reading. any and all input is appreciated. please share your own individual beliefs on reality and life with me in this topic. THANKS!
You asked my opinion. So my opinion shall be given!
Disclaimer, it's my opinion.
First, thinking digitally is extremely culture bound. It'd be like expecting an alien lifeform to speak our specific dialect in english.
The world is made of organic machinery. This machinery has the ability to evolve, it isn't digital in nature and evolution only works because it has time. It's timeframe is different than ours. If reality were of a digital computerized nature, it just doesn't seem like it would jive.
Now MJC, I see great isolation in you.
God/energy/choas/whatever is in every life. Every person, has a bit of that in them, no soul is alone because we all come from that one. Yes, I know, some seem to have more of that energy than others.
When I dreamt and drifted off and that soul energy leaves me, I go to the one... that long sound I think the ancients called "the word of god" which is just that eternal sound.
When our bodies are left behind we go and reunite in that mass soul. Like a cloud passing over the earth, the moisture or soul energy rises to it, it stays with the whole and returns. The word rains back upon this world and into new life/bodies and we continue. We mark time for that eternal word, as the infinite ones can't mark time.
Find that energy and spirit in others. When it is in you and it grows others feel it, they love it, make their spirit excited, don't scare it away, make them shine. Love is the easiest recognizable form of this. I get great enjoyment of making the god within people show itself. Sometimes it's eye contact, sometimes it's figuring out what someone loves and asking them they right question. You'll see it in their eyes, it'll make the hair on your neck stand at attention.... just another reminder of the time when we are all one.
So that is the belief of mine.
Now.... in practice......
It doesn't matter, who cares?
Every morning you are here, now. Whatcha gonna make of it?
Me? I find something that is interesting and devote my time and energy to learning about it, getting experience working with it, obsessing over it. It makes me happy.
I'm insane if I play their game of caring about these stupid physical only gratifications.
I need to build and create, make things perfect even if its in a small universe of my own.
For other people it's different things. But this occupies my mind and keeps me free.
These other things do not matter.
Heck, what if you are right, what if it's all a computer simulation. So what? As long as I have any control over my actions I shall find enjoyment in whatever it is I want.
Disclaimer, it's my opinion.
First, thinking digitally is extremely culture bound. It'd be like expecting an alien lifeform to speak our specific dialect in english.
The world is made of organic machinery. This machinery has the ability to evolve, it isn't digital in nature and evolution only works because it has time. It's timeframe is different than ours. If reality were of a digital computerized nature, it just doesn't seem like it would jive.
Now MJC, I see great isolation in you.
God/energy/choas/whatever is in every life. Every person, has a bit of that in them, no soul is alone because we all come from that one. Yes, I know, some seem to have more of that energy than others.
When I dreamt and drifted off and that soul energy leaves me, I go to the one... that long sound I think the ancients called "the word of god" which is just that eternal sound.
When our bodies are left behind we go and reunite in that mass soul. Like a cloud passing over the earth, the moisture or soul energy rises to it, it stays with the whole and returns. The word rains back upon this world and into new life/bodies and we continue. We mark time for that eternal word, as the infinite ones can't mark time.
Find that energy and spirit in others. When it is in you and it grows others feel it, they love it, make their spirit excited, don't scare it away, make them shine. Love is the easiest recognizable form of this. I get great enjoyment of making the god within people show itself. Sometimes it's eye contact, sometimes it's figuring out what someone loves and asking them they right question. You'll see it in their eyes, it'll make the hair on your neck stand at attention.... just another reminder of the time when we are all one.
So that is the belief of mine.
Now.... in practice......
It doesn't matter, who cares?
Every morning you are here, now. Whatcha gonna make of it?
Me? I find something that is interesting and devote my time and energy to learning about it, getting experience working with it, obsessing over it. It makes me happy.
I'm insane if I play their game of caring about these stupid physical only gratifications.
I need to build and create, make things perfect even if its in a small universe of my own.
For other people it's different things. But this occupies my mind and keeps me free.
These other things do not matter.
Heck, what if you are right, what if it's all a computer simulation. So what? As long as I have any control over my actions I shall find enjoyment in whatever it is I want.
Jonabark
Rising Star
This kind of thing makes me nervous about the possibility that really wrong-headed delusions can be fostered by psychedelics. I generally feel very wary of the idea that self awareness in humans or animals is in any way analogous to binary code or achievable by computers. Computers are wildly different from plants or animals. how would a computer control an organic process? Computers at this point are a combination of electronic screen, telephone, and the most advanced calculators. No computer does anything it has not been designed to do. No computer wants anything, or has any curiosity. They are tools. We are not in " The Matrix".
Yes there are collections of people and individuals who seek to control others for their own interests and seek to frame the world as they would like it to be seen. Some use computers in this ego game. And we each generally want more control of our lives and to influence how others see the world. When you combine those things with the desire to understand what is going on, what is real and what is not it can lead to various kinds of paranoia.
Some forms of paranoia are helpful and provide a legitimate warning about machinations that can be dangerous and hurtful.
The great novelist Thomas Pynchon once wrote that paranoia "is nothing less than the leading edge of the discovery that everything is connected.
Some paranoia tends to leave people without meaning or choice or the ability to tell the wise from the unwise.
I believe the message you received is probably a construction of your own mind and is dangerous because it is not testable. Scientologists and various gnostic sects have similar ideas.
I would suggest trying to read some people with an earthier wisdom like Gary Snyder, or Wendell Berry and let yourself reconsider.
Yes there are collections of people and individuals who seek to control others for their own interests and seek to frame the world as they would like it to be seen. Some use computers in this ego game. And we each generally want more control of our lives and to influence how others see the world. When you combine those things with the desire to understand what is going on, what is real and what is not it can lead to various kinds of paranoia.
Some forms of paranoia are helpful and provide a legitimate warning about machinations that can be dangerous and hurtful.
The great novelist Thomas Pynchon once wrote that paranoia "is nothing less than the leading edge of the discovery that everything is connected.
Some paranoia tends to leave people without meaning or choice or the ability to tell the wise from the unwise.
I believe the message you received is probably a construction of your own mind and is dangerous because it is not testable. Scientologists and various gnostic sects have similar ideas.
I would suggest trying to read some people with an earthier wisdom like Gary Snyder, or Wendell Berry and let yourself reconsider.
Jonabark
Rising Star
It seems to me that what you are considering is the ancient philosophical problem of 'The One and The Many'. In ancient Greece and India where this question was explored for centuries there were those who asserted that the Many, the experience of separate forms and beings and processes, was an illusion. They didn't have computers to project images so they saw the world of the many as something that was more of a seeming than the reality, that this seeming was projected by sensory based self consciousness and by the sense of the self as simply one of many. This idea has problems( it leads to a dualism between real and unreal) but it still exists.
PsyDuckmonkey
witch
Most Christians seem to think that.mjc490 said:
Just when I expected you to say something about paranoia and losing faith in life and similar, you follow up with this computer thing? :twisted:Jonabark said:
rotflolYes, psychedelics can and do in certain people foster really "wrong-headed delusions", or rather, turn them into fanatical religious zealots of their own one-man religion. It's generally a good idea to stay open and stay humble to avoid this fate.
I really don't want to go into the depths of the computers vs. life question here. I'd have to argue like a reductionist, and then spend time refuting my own reductionist axioms, given how I'm not a reductionist... Too much work. So let me just interject that if everything is mind, then computers are mind too; as are rocks, stars, space, radio waves, life forms, everything.
Are you some evangelical crackpot who uses gnostic as a swearword? :?: Anyway, mjc490's theories do not line up with any form of gnosticism, including scientology.Jonabark said: