Redroping with mushrooms: a way to modify the experience?

[Noisy]

Hello dear Nexians!

During this last day of the year, I was reading my notebook where I write my different experiences.
Something strike me concerning mushrooms redrop. I have done this 3 times during these 2 last years, sometime some of my friends have done so. Each time, it seemed to modify the classical progress of the mushroom trip in a particular manner. I've always red and explained to my friends that redroping with mushrooms wasn't very efficient, since tolerance build up fast, but I now have a doubt.

Those 3 experiences could be described in 3 periods, redrop was made between 1st and 2nd hour each time:

- Period of questionning about human interactions, personnal issues, ego struggling during one or two hours. This introduction, not always very pleasant, resolved when I faced what was needed to, I think the redrop helped.
- Once this was done, I experienced each time pure bliss, synaesthesia, experiences we only could describe as "telepathy" (one was recorded in video). This intensity is quite strange, because each time, the mushrooms dose (Cubensis) wasn't that high (between 1,5 and 2g first, followed by a redrop of 0,5 to 1g). This period lasted each time 2 to 2 and a half hour
- Then came a very enjoyable come down, during 2 to 3 hours, with a lasting psychedelic way of considering things, a high capacity to focus, faster thoughts. This also seems strange to me, because I'm used to come down quite quickly with mushrooms, what could be a problem when experimenting a profound trip.

So, here is my question: does somebody noticed this? Not only the longest duration (7 hours) but this particular sequence and this quite high intensity?

And, by the way: happy new year, fellow Nexians!

 

[null24]

Most definitely. That's the way I like to dose shrooms: a "starter" dose and follow up "ramping" doses so that I can feel my way up once the initial kicks in. It makes for an easier come up and yes longer duration trip.

I've found that a psilocybin peak can be extended through additional dosing.

 

[travsha]

I generally will eat a little more mushrooms about an hour or 2 after the initial bit. Has a more gradual start to things which I appreciate and I like the slightly longer duration. Also gives me a chance to test out the dosage and see if I want any more or how much more I might want.

I especially like mushrooms with a tiny amount of datura lately - makes the mushrooms last about twice as long for me....

I dont notice any pattern to my experiences like you describe though (with the 2 hours of challenges then the bliss part ect). Every time I ingest is different. Sometimes as soon as they kick in I am blissful and cant stop laughing and other times they give me crazy yawns.... Sometimes I get sleepy at first and other times I have tons of energy and cant stop playing music or climbing trees...

Mushrooms are good at keeping me on my toes - especially with larger doses. I find they have a trickster personality and are very playful.

 

[Noisy]

Thanks for answers and confirmation of some of my impressions.

@ null 24: yes, easier also to navigate accross the experience I found, to know somehow where to focus attention (clearer mind).By extanding peak, do you mean redosing during the peak? Or redosing during the first 2 hours extands thereafter the peak duration?

@travsha: I also appreciated to first "test" how potent were the mushrooms before to redrop.
I'm not used to Datura, despite of what one could think seeing my avatar. I just find those flowers astonishingly beautiful!
Right, every experience has his own character. Will try again this way to ingest mushrooms in the coming monthes and will certainly notice some changes!

 

[Lizz]

Hmm. That's how my first mushroom experience was supposed to have gone. It was me and three other people and we had an eighth and we were planning on gradually redosing throughout the day. However, we didn't realize how potent these particular mushrooms were. I had planned on starting with a small dose (being a first timer) and then eating more of it if i felt the need, so I only ate one small stem with a small cap attached. I had only experienced acid up until that point and so I was suspecting something like that but the two are certainly not the same!! I was so out of my mind ( as were the rest of my group and they all are larger doses) during the peak that we decided against eating anymore. Does it really help with that bewildering, overwhelming sensation? I might try that then, when the time comes for me to finish the bag.

 

[Lizz]

Hmm. That's how my first mushroom experience was supposed to have gone. It was me and three other people and we had an eighth and we were planning on gradually redosing throughout the day. However, we didn't realize how potent these particular mushrooms were. I had planned on starting with a small dose (being a first timer) and then eating more of it if i felt the need, so I only ate one small stem with a small cap attached. I had only experienced acid up until that point and so I was suspecting something like that but the two are certainly not the same!! I was so out of my mind ( as were the rest of my group and they all are larger doses) during the peak that we decided against eating anymore. Does it really help with that bewildering, overwhelming sensation? I might try that then, when the time comes for me to finish the bag.

 

[Lizz]

Sorry about double post my phone is acting up.

 

[Noisy]

Does it really help with that bewildering, overwhelming sensation? I might try that then, when the time comes for me to finish the bag.

During my last experience, yes, it helped.
Like I said, I felt more focused, no crazy thoughts loops, no "psychedelic traps" which can sometime disturb me. In this experience, I was more like a pilot and not like a man on a pneumatic boat lost in a middle of a raging sea, if that make sense.
This said, I need to test it again to confirm this is in relation with the fractioned ingestion and not linked to set or others variables in setting.

Peace

 

[travsha]

Does it really help with that bewildering, overwhelming sensation?

Sometimes, but not necessarily. You could still easily become overwhelmed or bewildered no matter how you stagger the mushrooms - that disorienting feeling is just part of working with mushrooms. It is a bit easier to avoid, or minimize or control if you stagger the dosage but that doesnt mean it wont happen still. Some of my most confusing ceremonies were after I staggered my dose - I often do larger doses when I stagger them, so I end up going deeper and the deeper you go sometimes the more disorienting it is.

So staggering will probably help.... But it will not eliminate the overwhelming sensation. Experience also helps - you learn how to function more and more and trust more and more and things get easier to manage in some ways.... Till eventually you cross another barrier where the mushrooms feel you are ready to go even deeper then before.

 

[Lizz]

Does it really help with that bewildering, overwhelming sensation?

Sometimes, but not necessarily. You could still easily become overwhelmed or bewildered no matter how you stagger the mushrooms - that disorienting feeling is just part of working with mushrooms. It is a bit easier to avoid, or minimize or control if you stagger the dosage but that doesnt mean it wont happen still. Some of my most confusing ceremonies were after I staggered my dose - I often do larger doses when I stagger them, so I end up going deeper and the deeper you go sometimes the more disorienting it is.

So staggering will probably help.... But it will not eliminate the overwhelming sensation. Experience also helps - you learn how to function more and more and trust more and more and things get easier to manage in some ways.... Till eventually you cross another barrier where the mushrooms feel you are ready to go even deeper then before.

Yeah I suppose I can accept that being a part of the mushroom experience. Its not like it was that bad, but I think I was annoying my friends with my endless questions. XD And the time dilation freaked me out quite a bit. I just kept swaying between waves of euphoria and then bewilderment. I think next time I will be a but more prepared. But even my husband, who is a veteran with mushrooms, was taken by suprise with these puppies.

no crazy thoughts loops, no "psychedelic traps" which can sometime disturb me. In this experience, I was more like a pilot and not like a man on a pneumatic boat lost in a middle of a raging sea, if that make sense.

lol yes that makes perfect sense. That is a great way to put it. For me when I felt that way, just getting up and going for a walk made things a lot better. So maybe I was lacking enough stimulation? I feel like mushrooms make you really need something to focus your mind on and when you don't have that you get stuck inside your own mind.

Anyway I will probably help you test your theory soon, so i will post back here with the results.

 

[Lizz]

Does it really help with that bewildering, overwhelming sensation?

Sometimes, but not necessarily. You could still easily become overwhelmed or bewildered no matter how you stagger the mushrooms - that disorienting feeling is just part of working with mushrooms. It is a bit easier to avoid, or minimize or control if you stagger the dosage but that doesnt mean it wont happen still. Some of my most confusing ceremonies were after I staggered my dose - I often do larger doses when I stagger them, so I end up going deeper and the deeper you go sometimes the more disorienting it is.

So staggering will probably help.... But it will not eliminate the overwhelming sensation. Experience also helps - you learn how to function more and more and trust more and more and things get easier to manage in some ways.... Till eventually you cross another barrier where the mushrooms feel you are ready to go even deeper then before.

Yeah I suppose I can accept that being a part of the mushroom experience. Its not like it was that bad, but I think I was annoying my friends with my endless questions. XD And the time dilation freaked me out quite a bit. I just kept swaying between waves of euphoria and then bewilderment. I think next time I will be a but more prepared. But even my husband, who is a veteran with mushrooms, was taken by suprise with these puppies.

no crazy thoughts loops, no "psychedelic traps" which can sometime disturb me. In this experience, I was more like a pilot and not like a man on a pneumatic boat lost in a middle of a raging sea, if that make sense.

lol yes that makes perfect sense. That is a great way to put it. For me when I felt that way, just getting up and going for a walk made things a lot better. So maybe I was lacking enough stimulation? I feel like mushrooms make you really need something to focus your mind on and when you don't have that you get stuck inside your own mind.

Anyway I will probably help you test your theory soon, so i will post back here with the results.

 

[Lizz]

Does it really help with that bewildering, overwhelming sensation?

Sometimes, but not necessarily. You could still easily become overwhelmed or bewildered no matter how you stagger the mushrooms - that disorienting feeling is just part of working with mushrooms. It is a bit easier to avoid, or minimize or control if you stagger the dosage but that doesnt mean it wont happen still. Some of my most confusing ceremonies were after I staggered my dose - I often do larger doses when I stagger them, so I end up going deeper and the deeper you go sometimes the more disorienting it is.

So staggering will probably help.... But it will not eliminate the overwhelming sensation. Experience also helps - you learn how to function more and more and trust more and more and things get easier to manage in some ways.... Till eventually you cross another barrier where the mushrooms feel you are ready to go even deeper then before.

Yeah I suppose I can accept that being a part of the mushroom experience. Its not like it was that bad, but I think I was annoying my friends with my endless questions. XD And the time dilation freaked me out quite a bit. I just kept swaying between waves of euphoria and then bewilderment. I think next time I will be a but more prepared. But even my husband, who is a veteran with mushrooms, was taken by suprise with these puppies.

no crazy thoughts loops, no "psychedelic traps" which can sometime disturb me. In this experience, I was more like a pilot and not like a man on a pneumatic boat lost in a middle of a raging sea, if that make sense.

lol yes that makes perfect sense. That is a great way to put it. For me when I felt that way, just getting up and going for a walk made things a lot better. So maybe I was lacking enough stimulation? I feel like mushrooms make you really need something to focus your mind on and when you don't have that you get stuck inside your own mind.

Anyway I will probably help you test your theory soon, so i will post back here with the results.

 

[locojuiceman]

I now get acquainted with the batch first, to see how strong they are, and then I'll make a good strong batch of tea to be sipped over the course of 30 minutes ...
I do this instead of 'redosing' because of one scary time, I had a bunch a subbalteas fresh picked and I ate about five of them ...then, feeling them kick in, I was very happy that I actually and not only FOUND shrooms growing where I live BUT that I had correctly identified them ..so, what do I do? I ate just ONE more
And Awayyyyyyyyyy I went, I didn't even know where I was for four hours or so, it was like I was in a washing machine of technicolor and wherever I turned my head, nothing would form into a solid mass, everything was smushed together. I could barely tell where a tree began or ended except for the colors fading into one another ..
So, I knew I was 'In the weeds' for a while and had better just lay it down and ride it out
So, thats waht I did. While I watched [[ and FELT, by the way! ]] it rain eyeballs and diamonds, the birds chattering in my ear, grasshoppers disassembling me and ants putting me back together ....
I lost my mind over and over for what seemed like ages and when I FINALLY had an independent and 'grounding' thought?
It was only four hours or so, later, still light out and quiet ...
I couldn't integrate what happened for a good week but all I know is from that day on, I first, get acquainted with the shrooms to gauge strength and THEN I make a good strong batch to sip over 30 minutes and I found when its done, it'll peak longer and last for a good while
But no more redosing as that ONE extra shroom took me over and far away more so than I had anticipated at the time and there was NO coming back until it wore off,lol!
So, now, if in mid-tea and I'm beginning to have one of those 'adventures' coming on, I can always put the tea way for another time... instead of regretting [ almost ] that I took too much
I dunno about anyone else but shroom trips that are ... not to say 'Bad' because every trip has a lesson in it..but, well ... A challenging shroom trip I found are some of THE most intense and can be very 'scary' as well
One time I was 'scorned' by the shrooms for not thanking them before partaking!
So, yeah, now I just stick to what I took over the course of a half hour

 

[Noisy]

lol yes that makes perfect sense. That is a great way to put it. For me when I felt that way, just getting up and going for a walk made things a lot better. So maybe I was lacking enough stimulation? I feel like mushrooms make you really need something to focus your mind on and when you don't have that you get stuck inside your own mind.

Anyway I will probably help you test your theory soon, so i will post back here with the results.

Will be glad to read you on this subject! :d

Concerning going for a walk, I do the same when lacking of focus. In the place where we use to have those experiences, there's a big tree. We named him "the breathing tree" because when mushroomized, we always see him shining and breathing. Walking near him is really soothing and when we come back inside the house, we definitely are focused.
Talking about something to focus on, these are the two albums which sent me in blissfull state: "Trio Chemirani - Dawar" (I understood, after that, why this album was called "Dawar", meaning secret language) and "Pandit Ravi Shankar, collection Ocora", a masterpiece!


@locojuiceman: Do you remember how much time had passed since you ingested the five first mushrooms when you ate the sixth and crazy one? Maybe the five ones hadn't completly kicked when you ate the sixth?

 

[dreamer042]

I have to say my experience has been much the opposite of others. I've found with both mushrooms and LSD that redosing doesn't seem to increase the intensity of the effects beyond those of the initial dose, only the duration.

 

[universecannon]

This isn't something I've really done much of, but the other day I decided to redose the second half of some LSD about an hour and a half later and it definitely increased the intensity.

I can see myself doing that a lot in the future for mushrooms or lsd... It's a much smoother transition for me.

 

[travsha]

I have to say my experience has been much the opposite of others. I've found with both mushrooms and LSD that redosing doesn't seem to increase the intensity of the effects beyond those of the initial dose, only the duration.

Part of that may depend on timing. I think redosing in the first hour gets best results for creating that more gradual arc to higher intensity levels. If you wait longer then 60-90 minutes sometimes it doesnt increase intensity as much. The amount you use for each dosage will play in as well - if you redose with just a tiny amount you might not notice as much intensity increase.

 

[Lizz]

lol yes that makes perfect sense. That is a great way to put it. For me when I felt that way, just getting up and going for a walk made things a lot better. So maybe I was lacking enough stimulation? I feel like mushrooms make you really need something to focus your mind on and when you don't have that you get stuck inside your own mind.

Anyway I will probably help you test your theory soon, so i will post back here with the results.

Will be glad to read you on this subject! :d

Concerning going for a walk, I do the same when lacking of focus. In the place where we use to have those experiences, there's a big tree. We named him "the breathing tree" because when mushroomized, we always see him shining and breathing. Walking near him is really soothing and when we come back inside the house, we definitely are focused.
Talking about something to focus on, this is the two albums which sent me in blissfull state: "Trio Chemirani - Dawar" (I understood, after that, why this album was called "Dawar", meaning secret language) and "Pandit Ravi Shankar, collection Ocora", a masterpiece!


@locojuiceman: Do you remember how much time had passed since you ingested the five first mushrooms when you ate the sixth and crazy one?

Ooh that sounds beautiful. I love large old trees. I always feel like They emanate a very distinct life energy, even sober. Something so ancient is definitely deserving of reverance. Maybe the mushrooms help You to see the tree's "life energy" or aura better? Then again they do seem to just enjoy playing tricks with your eyes. XD I remeber staring at the shag carpet inside my van became the most interesting thing in the world on shrooms.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

If I am taking anything over a gram, redosing is the only way I'll do it. I usually make it into a tea, let it cool, and place it in a water bottle. I'll drink half of it over the course of 15 mins or so, and then an hour after they kick in I'll start drinking the other half of the bottle. It makes the experience so much smoother.

Coming up straight into a really strong trip frightens me on mushrooms, so I have to do it this way to get around that. I have found that once I have my toes in the water, my fear of plunging further in is gone. It is also nice to have the extended duration as mushrooms don't last as long as other entheogens like LSD or Mescaline.

I have never experienced the same transition as you described in your original post though.

 

[Noisy]

I have never experienced the same transition as you described in your original post though.

I finally think this transition (between thinking about personnal issues and the blissfull state) is due to the fact that I have redroped only when I felt an extra dose was needed to go beyond a difficulty.
I think this way of using mushrooms could be interesting for that purpose: first to work in a psycholytic way, focusing on what needs to be and then a psychedelic dose to achieve it (I like the image of a "psychedelic fire", burning the scorias of the mind, purifying it)