Of course it's true. If you recrystallize, you're going to get purer DMT. That's not a property unique to benzine, that applies to any effective recrystalization solvent.
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Relatively "Purer" DMT from Benzine (not Benzene)
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My Cat and his friend had such open-eye DMT experiences too.
Except my Cat's DMT was impure, orange/amber-red goo extracted with Di ethyl Ether, water & Lye using a STB tek.
My cat and his friend vaporised that DMT and had several breakthroughs that session.
In one of those sessions my Cat's friend opened his eyes and was schokced by what he saw;
He reported seeing my cat and his livingroom in a very interresting way; He reported seeing several versions of both My cat and
himself doing different things in his room. 1 version of my cat was sitting next to him, another sat next to that drawing something.
Another version of my cat was playing the synthesizer, while several versions of himself were working on his PC, playing guitar and walking around the room.
While seeing all this he sat up straight with his eyes wide open. It sounded to me like he saw several timelines/possibilities at once in one moment.
My Cat too has had such breakthroughs that were not physically impairing and allowed him to still see the physical world, allthough "warped".
He remembers breaking through once, opening his eyes and seeing his room in a VERY similair way I would have on Psilocybin Mushrooms.
However on other occasions where he broke through ( with the very same DMT ) he opened his eyes just to continue to see a world of boundryless light
and pulsating, ever-morphing geometric mandalas and was completely removed from physical reality. My cat doesn't know what once enabled him to stay "earth-bound" during a breakthrough.
Appearantly my Cat's STB-Diethyl Ether DMT was able to produce a few open-eyed, physically non-impaired experiences;
Perhaps this could have been because on those experiences my Cat just happened to load up the pipe with an incidentally purer, DMT-richer
chunk of his MHRB-extract than he took in his other DMT-experiences? Perhaps it has alot more to do with ourselves( our state of consciousness at the time of DMT-ingestion) than with the quality of the extract?
PS: To say someone's view is delusional isn't very kind, gibran.
You can argue that someone is wrong, but to "humor someone's increasingly delusional point of view" comes off very condescending and hostile.
Tell someone you don't agree and explain why, but for peace and argument's sake do that in a neutral & friendly manner.
Except my Cat's DMT was impure, orange/amber-red goo extracted with Di ethyl Ether, water & Lye using a STB tek.
My cat and his friend vaporised that DMT and had several breakthroughs that session.
In one of those sessions my Cat's friend opened his eyes and was schokced by what he saw;
He reported seeing my cat and his livingroom in a very interresting way; He reported seeing several versions of both My cat and
himself doing different things in his room. 1 version of my cat was sitting next to him, another sat next to that drawing something.
Another version of my cat was playing the synthesizer, while several versions of himself were working on his PC, playing guitar and walking around the room.
While seeing all this he sat up straight with his eyes wide open. It sounded to me like he saw several timelines/possibilities at once in one moment.
My Cat too has had such breakthroughs that were not physically impairing and allowed him to still see the physical world, allthough "warped".
He remembers breaking through once, opening his eyes and seeing his room in a VERY similair way I would have on Psilocybin Mushrooms.
However on other occasions where he broke through ( with the very same DMT ) he opened his eyes just to continue to see a world of boundryless light
and pulsating, ever-morphing geometric mandalas and was completely removed from physical reality. My cat doesn't know what once enabled him to stay "earth-bound" during a breakthrough.
Appearantly my Cat's STB-Diethyl Ether DMT was able to produce a few open-eyed, physically non-impaired experiences;
Perhaps this could have been because on those experiences my Cat just happened to load up the pipe with an incidentally purer, DMT-richer
chunk of his MHRB-extract than he took in his other DMT-experiences? Perhaps it has alot more to do with ourselves( our state of consciousness at the time of DMT-ingestion) than with the quality of the extract?
PS: To say someone's view is delusional isn't very kind, gibran.
You can argue that someone is wrong, but to "humor someone's increasingly delusional point of view" comes off very condescending and hostile.
Tell someone you don't agree and explain why, but for peace and argument's sake do that in a neutral & friendly manner.
Entropy has answered this...re-x yields a more pure product...old news. In this case it happened to be with benzine, but guess what? The same thing happens with naphtha.Ya said:Nevermind experience talk. CHEMISTS (Burnt, Benzyme, Bufoman, Phlux, and SyZyGyPSy)
Infundibulum said:
Can we at least get confirmation from some chemists here, that Yes, Infundibulum's statement above is true?
This really isn't the way one approaches something scientifically and you seem to be (despite continually making requests of the chemists) ignoring every single word Entropymancer (a chemist) is telling you.
You are similarly hell-bent on ignoring the multiple members with considerable experience who are trying to discuss and engage with you on logical grounds. What gives, ya? Do you find each and every experience from a given batch of dmt to be identical? How do you account for your benzine math showing 100.2% when its constituents are totaled? Why do you keep reposting the same quote over and over again instead of actually discussing this? How can you say "nevermind experience talk"? If you're not willing to discuss or engage the community, why would you even make a thread?
I said that Ya’s point of view seems to be delusional because I believe it to be delusional. It wasn’t meant as an insult.SKA said:
Let’s review:
1 --- Ya starts a thread describing, what seems to me, to be a “typical” DMT experience. Yet in response to this experience, he engaged in behavior that isn’t typical – he was told by an entity to throw away all of his DMT and associated paraphernalia, and he did so. I was perplexed – he described a typical experience, but reacted in a very atypical manner. Maybe his experience was much deeper than he was able to convey? Maybe there are other factors influencing his behavior? I thought exploring this could help the community and, perhaps, could even help Ya.
So rather than explore these issues, he becomes very defensive and insists that I claimed he didn’t have a breakthrough experience. I pointed out that we all define a breakthrough differently, but that wasn’t good enough for Ya.
2 --- So Ya starts a second thread. He created out of thin air a hypothesis that has no basis: He now claims that “pure” DMT causes more “grounded” experiences, and that “less pure” DMT causes dissociation and OBEs. What is the basis for such a claim?
He doesn’t stop there – he also claims that “benzine” extracts “pure” DMT, and that all other solvents used by everyone else extract “less pure” DMT. He ignores the fact that the primary difference between benzine and naphtha is the label on the can, but has now managed to convince himself that his extracted product is different than everyone else’s. After all, what else could possibly account for the experience he had if not the solvent used for extraction?
3 --- Finally, convinced that his claim is true, he insists that the chemists among us extract DMT using a variety of solvents and then subject the products to chemical analysis. That’s not asking too much to prove this obviously reasonable hypothesis, is it?
Ya
Rising Star
The Traveler said:...n-Oxide/nn-DMT seperation [is a possibility]
...I'm in to test it myself.
Kind regards,
The Traveler
Phlux- said:Blab tek - full spectrum yeild.
This full spectrum/jungle yeild was washed with hot benzine 2 times.
The benzine was left to cool and evap and yeilded these
as posted in the just some xtals thread - rectangular terminated spice xtals
These are the ones with strong physical effect and minimal mental and visual fx and had a stronger taste.
what was left in the jar after the 2 hot benzine washes xtallized on the bottom of the jar - i didnt take pix and it got smoked
this spice was very very visual and had a strong audible carrier wave
both lasted about the same amount of time - but the after fx lasted a tad longer with the second batch of spice(stuff left over)
both were given to 4 ppl without telling them a thing - just asking them to compare - their statements are in line with my experience with the 2 kinds of spice.
i just havent found a way that separates the physical aspect and the visual aspect so well in the past - and was quite chuffed.
corridors of my cells said:
Why dont you even consider the possibility of placebo/self-suggestion?
Ya...are you just going to ignore the questions posed to you and post non-sequiturial images and threads?
What you are showing is re-x crystals...I'm assuming you are placing emphasis on their shape (which has no bearing on purity, afaik) and the principle that re-x'in removes oxides/tannins/oils from dmt. As already stated, re-x'ing with any solvent yields a purer product. If that's all you're trying to say and reiterate (while ignoring the members who are trying to engage you), I see no merit to leaving this thread open.
What you are showing is re-x crystals...I'm assuming you are placing emphasis on their shape (which has no bearing on purity, afaik) and the principle that re-x'in removes oxides/tannins/oils from dmt. As already stated, re-x'ing with any solvent yields a purer product. If that's all you're trying to say and reiterate (while ignoring the members who are trying to engage you), I see no merit to leaving this thread open.
Entro is correct, GC/MS will not tell you much about the oxide, as it is a destructive method of analysis...but LC-MS/MS will.
TLC plating may also elucidate the extent of purity of extracts. there are some threads on this, and a search hyperlink in the upper right.
btw... recrystallization isn't a separation process, and benzine isn't alkaloid specific.
TLC plating may also elucidate the extent of purity of extracts. there are some threads on this, and a search hyperlink in the upper right.
btw... recrystallization isn't a separation process, and benzine isn't alkaloid specific.
Ya
Rising Star
gibran2 said:
#1 Intelligent people who read the thread know that statement is definitely not true.
#2 Intelligent people who read the thread know that statement is definitely not true.
#3 Correction, by chance found a hypothesis written and tested by Phlux, peer-reviewed by Infundibulum, needing further testing.
#4 Correction, own experience matches the hypothesis written and tested by Phlux, is simply encouraging further testing.
$5 Correction, the purpose of testing is not to prove theories right or wrong, the testing will confirm a purer DMT tek.
@Snozz, no, your assumption that I think shape is involved, is incorrect. The lightness of solvent is the test factor.
And no, your assumption that I and Phlux don't know about Re-X, is also incorrect. Re-X with regular vs. Re-X with light.
So, since you're simply not interested in doing the test, but The traveler has stated he is, I suggest you just let this be.
Ok, as I said, it was an assumption, you didn't say anything about it, so I had no clue what you were inferring by posting the pics. A picture may be worth 1000 words, but if you don't contextualize it, they may as well be jibberish.Ya said:
Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold your horses...where did you come up with this? I never said such a thing...DMT is DMT; whether extracted with heavy or light or re-x'd with heavy or light, it's the same molecule, afaik. I very much respect phlux-'s chemistry experiments and knowledge. I find yours a bit dubious, though.Ya said:
You still haven't said why this couldn't be the result of either self-suggestion or the variable nature of the DMT experience. Care to address this?
Ya, I think you're conflating two separate hypotheses, which is causing a great deal of confusion. I think you would get better feedback from treating each of these hypotheses separately.
The first hypothesis is that the more pure the DMT, the more grounded the experience is, while less pure DMT leads to more separation from the physical body. It sounds like many people have personal experience that contradicts this to a substantial degree. Plenty of people have experienced separation from the body and full immersion in "hyperspace" with very pure DMT. Similarly many people have had very grounded experiences with very impure ("full spectrum") DMT. This hypothesis doesn't seem to be borne out by the experiences of other members of the board. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be discussed, only that it clouds the issue when you are tying it directly into a second hypothesis.
Your second hypothesis is that lighter naphtha means more pure products from recrystallization. But it makes it very confusing when you are repeatedly presenting evidence against the hypothesis and acting as though it supports it. Benzine and naphtha are basically synonyms, and ligroin is not a light hydrocarbon fraction. Saying that benzine produces purer crystals than regular naphtha makes no sense whatsoever. Saying that ligroin produces the purest crystals directly contradicts your hypothesis.
If you had started this as a thread about determining the best solvent for recrystallization, it would have probably turned into a productive discussion. If you'd started it as a thread about whether the purity of the DMT relates to the subjective degree of separation from reality, that would probably have turned into a productive thread too. But tying the two hypotheses together and taking an almost Quixotic approach to the question (and wanting people to only respond with comments that confirm your preconceived ideas) is probably not going to lead the thread in the direction that you want.
(On a somewhat related note, Enoon's thread about communication is a very worthwhile read)
The first hypothesis is that the more pure the DMT, the more grounded the experience is, while less pure DMT leads to more separation from the physical body. It sounds like many people have personal experience that contradicts this to a substantial degree. Plenty of people have experienced separation from the body and full immersion in "hyperspace" with very pure DMT. Similarly many people have had very grounded experiences with very impure ("full spectrum") DMT. This hypothesis doesn't seem to be borne out by the experiences of other members of the board. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be discussed, only that it clouds the issue when you are tying it directly into a second hypothesis.
Your second hypothesis is that lighter naphtha means more pure products from recrystallization. But it makes it very confusing when you are repeatedly presenting evidence against the hypothesis and acting as though it supports it. Benzine and naphtha are basically synonyms, and ligroin is not a light hydrocarbon fraction. Saying that benzine produces purer crystals than regular naphtha makes no sense whatsoever. Saying that ligroin produces the purest crystals directly contradicts your hypothesis.
If you had started this as a thread about determining the best solvent for recrystallization, it would have probably turned into a productive discussion. If you'd started it as a thread about whether the purity of the DMT relates to the subjective degree of separation from reality, that would probably have turned into a productive thread too. But tying the two hypotheses together and taking an almost Quixotic approach to the question (and wanting people to only respond with comments that confirm your preconceived ideas) is probably not going to lead the thread in the direction that you want.
(On a somewhat related note, Enoon's thread about communication is a very worthwhile read)
Ya, how many times did you post Infundibulum's quote (and in what size letters) that says the exact same thing? I never commented on phlux-'s chem knowledge. Imo, you seem to be having issue understanding what you are claiming or asking to be tested with regards to re-x (regardless of heavy/light distinctions, as Entro explained above).
Ya
Rising Star
Obviously, the subjective nature of DMT experiences will prevents us from "proving" the overall trip difference between the 2 final products.
But all neutral scientific chemists reading this statement realize: a quick side-by-side with a LC-MS/MS will prove the molecular difference.
Lighter ethers appear to result in slightly less "other" molecules, thus a slightly higher concentration of DMT molecules. Test, then post.
This is a discovery, just like Polytrip's recent Iboga discovery, that should not be slept on. Let's TEST members' discoveries.
Right now, I'm hearing a bunch of people saying, "I doubt there's a molecular difference", but that's merely unproven opinion.
The test is understood: how about we all just patiently wait a month or so for the LC-MS/MS results folks, what do ya say?
But all neutral scientific chemists reading this statement realize: a quick side-by-side with a LC-MS/MS will prove the molecular difference.
Lighter ethers appear to result in slightly less "other" molecules, thus a slightly higher concentration of DMT molecules. Test, then post.
This is a discovery, just like Polytrip's recent Iboga discovery, that should not be slept on. Let's TEST members' discoveries.
Right now, I'm hearing a bunch of people saying, "I doubt there's a molecular difference", but that's merely unproven opinion.
The test is understood: how about we all just patiently wait a month or so for the LC-MS/MS results folks, what do ya say?
Regarding:Ya said:
#1 – You are correct. I re-read your post, and you said “the universe told me to get up and get rid of everything related to "Deep Meditation Therapy", for safety. It seemed the universe was telling me that there was a chance that my home was going to be checked by some authority.”
Entity/universe. Does it really matter who told you?
#2 – In reference to all this breakthrough/non-breakthrough nonsense, I said in the very first words of my very first response: “This sounds like an intense breakthrough…”
#3 – The idea that different minor alkaloids will alter a DMT experience is a reasonable assumption, but that wasn’t your claim. You said:
“It seems very possible to me that relatively purer DMT from Benzine allows eye-opening.
It seems very possible to me that relatively purer DMT from Benzine allows body-movement.
It seems very possible to me that Various Other Alkaloids relatively Decrease such events.”
No other Nexus member has specifically made the hypothesis that eye-opening and body movement are features of pure DMT experiences, and that impurities reduce these effects. The highly purified DMT used in Strassman’s study and the experience reports in “The Spirit Molecule” do not support your hypothesis.
#4 – you said “Benzine separates the pure DMT from those other Alkaloids, resulting in purer DMT.”
#5 – You said “Can we at least get confirmation from some chemists here, that Yes, Benzine produces relatively purer DMT?”
So, just to be clear (I'm not trying to put words in your mouth), you are claiming that there is a molecular difference between DMT extracted with "heavy" nps and DMT extracted with "light" nps?Ya said:
DMT is DMT. Quit making such a big deal out of nothing. Smoalk moar N,N-