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Relatively "Purer" DMT from Benzine (not Benzene)
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Ya
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Phlux- said:
@Entropymancer, it seems that many companies are being loose with their definitions, and thus we get lists of "equals" that are not actually equal:
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Have you had a chance yet to click open the PDF I shared with you? This expensive non-American brand of Ligroin is 100% Light.
Yes, they obviously rounded up to 100% when really it's 99.8% Light and 0.2% Toluene, but the point is, this brand is LIGHT.
@house. Honestly, what we loosely call "DMT" is actually "DMT with a little bit of DMT Oxide and a little bit of other Alks"
The goal of neutral chemists repeating the tests Phlux performed, is exactly as you decree: to literally smoalk moar N,N-
People, there's no need to argue against the possibility of a surprising useful Nexus discovery: just test it and then post results.
ThirdEyeVision
Rising Star
My .02
My friend has had vastly different experiences from out of body, to light meditative states to infinity and beyond all from the exact same extract at the exact same weight. The difference was set, setting, music, and mindset. I can influence your experience by planting seeds of thought that will mature into a reality after lift off. I find it more likely that is the culprit versus what you reX an already clean product in. But I'm no chemist, just a man with two cents.
My friend has had vastly different experiences from out of body, to light meditative states to infinity and beyond all from the exact same extract at the exact same weight. The difference was set, setting, music, and mindset. I can influence your experience by planting seeds of thought that will mature into a reality after lift off. I find it more likely that is the culprit versus what you reX an already clean product in. But I'm no chemist, just a man with two cents.
Ginkgo
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This is an interesting thought. I do, however, wonder what basis you have for assuming that "light naphtha" extracts less of the other substances compared to "heavy naphtha". Let me add some details that doesn't solve the hypothesis, but may be helpful in understanding what you're talking about. Light naphtha is defined as a hydrocarbon mixture where the molecules have 5-6 carbon atoms and boils between 30 and 90 C, heavy naphtha have 6-12 carbon atoms and boils between 90 and 200 C. Heptane has 7 carbon atoms and boils at 98 C, hexane 6 carbon atoms (69 C), pentane 5 carbon atoms (36 C) and toluene 7 carbon atoms (110 C).Ya said:
As "benzine" normally contains the first three of these hydrocarbons it is not a true "light naphtha", but it is indeed close (provided more pentane and hexane than heptane, this will vary between brands). Your example naphtha is also not a true "light naphtha", but if we believe that everything else than the 0.02% toluene meets the requirements it is indeed 99.8% light naphtha. Note that we have no way of knowing this without a proper MSDS data sheet, as the PDF you attached only defines it as "light naphtha", not defining the actual substances (in other words it's useless). The fact of the matter is that most naphtha contains many different hydrocarbons, often in both "light" and "heavy" category. For example, Coleman Fuel is a mixture of pentane (5 carbon atoms, 36 C - light), cyclohexane (6 carbon atoms, 81 C - light) heptane (7 carbon atoms, 98 C - heavy), octane (8 carbon atoms, 126 C - heavy) and nonane (9 carbon atoms, 151 C - heavy).
I have to add that I have noted absolutely no difference whatsoever when using Coleman Fuel, which is a light/heavy mixture, compared to a heptane and isomers-only (heavy) mixture. Indeed heptane is only slightly on the heavy scale, which may mean that both hydrocarbon mixtures I've used have about the same properties. It may just as well be that suggestive thinking - you know that wonderful placebo effect (think about the case of fake THH from FlowingVisions) - causes your experiences to be different. If we want to test this, we would need a real (proven with an actual MSDS sheet) light naphtha (more or less pure pentane/hexane) to be compared with a light/heavy mixture (Coleman?) and a heavy-only mixture. The resulting products, from several different extractors using the same solvents, must be tested for contaminants with a LC-MS/MS and/or TLC. If not such tests are available, the only other solution is blind studies - favorably double-blind - or we have the problem of placebo again.
Okay, this was just my thoughts on this part of the many subjects you've brought up. I think the hypothesis is interesting, but I'm ambivalent. I'm not saying you're wrong or correct, I'm just adding more data. It may be that you're on to something, but it's absolutely pointless to keep discussing (if we can call this thread an actual discussion) without any actual data. I mean, you haven't even been able to prove that the rolls-royce naphtha you're so fond of actually is light naphtha. An actual MSDS is the very least one would need to even start thinking about the hypothesis, and from there one would need to do several tests with several different solvent mixtures.
more ppl testing - more facts - more hard data, rather than helpfull and nasty comments by a lot of folk that havent tried things themselves.
if were gona keep everything strictly scientific - then approach it like a new generation of open minded scientists - not the arguing, fighting, bickering scientists of old.
if were gona keep everything strictly scientific - then approach it like a new generation of open minded scientists - not the arguing, fighting, bickering scientists of old.
Yeah I agree phlux, though personally I dont see anybody acting closed minded and bickering here, I think people have called out on the incoherencies in the OP's original theories, and have posed questions and reasonable arguments why they think its not so, or what could be done to prove/disprove
Ahhh so this Benzine is Petroleum Ether?
My Cat did a STB extraction from MHRB using Petroleum Ether once. (He told his friend to order Di Ethyl Ether, but his friend accidentally ordered Petroleum Ether instead.
Uppon evaporating a little in a clean, glass bowl and seeing it left no oily/waxy residue & asking advice from a friend with more comprehensive chemistry knowledge they
decided to give it a go and extract the MHRB with petroleum ether instead.
The yield was indeed a very pure, (VERY slightly off-)white crystaline powder. When scraped up with a rasorblade it looked like bright white, glittering snow.
The effects of this were observed by my Cat and his friend ( the one that had confused Diethyl Ether for Petroleum Ether). My Cat and his friend had both also
experienced the effects of the orange/amber-red goo extracted from MHRB using the same Tek but then with Diethyl Ether instead of Petroleum Ether.
Both my Cat and his friend found the pure, white spice extracted with Petroleum Ether to be ALOT less potent, overall alot milder in intensity and immersiveness, visions were much fainter and less powerfull than we had experienced with the yellow/amber goo that Diethyl Ether yielded. Where the white crystal extract produced relaxed, daydream-like faint visions and a physical effect compairable to that of a somewhat weak kind of Cannabis, the Yellow/amber gooey extract just blasted you out of your body, basically drowning you in visions and making you wonder where physical reality went and how you're body's doing while searing through infinite layers of geometric mandalas.
My Cat did a STB extraction from MHRB using Petroleum Ether once. (He told his friend to order Di Ethyl Ether, but his friend accidentally ordered Petroleum Ether instead.
Uppon evaporating a little in a clean, glass bowl and seeing it left no oily/waxy residue & asking advice from a friend with more comprehensive chemistry knowledge they
decided to give it a go and extract the MHRB with petroleum ether instead.
The yield was indeed a very pure, (VERY slightly off-)white crystaline powder. When scraped up with a rasorblade it looked like bright white, glittering snow.
The effects of this were observed by my Cat and his friend ( the one that had confused Diethyl Ether for Petroleum Ether). My Cat and his friend had both also
experienced the effects of the orange/amber-red goo extracted from MHRB using the same Tek but then with Diethyl Ether instead of Petroleum Ether.
Both my Cat and his friend found the pure, white spice extracted with Petroleum Ether to be ALOT less potent, overall alot milder in intensity and immersiveness, visions were much fainter and less powerfull than we had experienced with the yellow/amber goo that Diethyl Ether yielded. Where the white crystal extract produced relaxed, daydream-like faint visions and a physical effect compairable to that of a somewhat weak kind of Cannabis, the Yellow/amber gooey extract just blasted you out of your body, basically drowning you in visions and making you wonder where physical reality went and how you're body's doing while searing through infinite layers of geometric mandalas.
Ah so Benzine is Petroleum Ether?
A friend once extracted DMT from MHRB in a STB using Petroleum Ether.
The result was a very clean, crystaline powder that is slightly off white.
But it turned out to be very weak. Almost inactive compaired to earlier,
similair MHRB extractions but using Di Ethyl Ether instead of Petroleum Ether.
It was defenitely psychoactive, but was perhaps 6X less potent than Diethyl Ether
extracts.
SO Petroleum Ether, or Benzine as it is also called appearantly is a no no for
spice extractions my friend has decided.
A friend once extracted DMT from MHRB in a STB using Petroleum Ether.
The result was a very clean, crystaline powder that is slightly off white.
But it turned out to be very weak. Almost inactive compaired to earlier,
similair MHRB extractions but using Di Ethyl Ether instead of Petroleum Ether.
It was defenitely psychoactive, but was perhaps 6X less potent than Diethyl Ether
extracts.
SO Petroleum Ether, or Benzine as it is also called appearantly is a no no for
spice extractions my friend has decided.
gory dkalz
Donnie Michael Thomas
Did SKA just double post with an almost year long gap in between?
Or do I really need to lay off the MXE?
Or do I really need to lay off the MXE?
gory dkalz said:
Lol, no you're right. I just noticed it now. Sorry for the double postage,
but I would still like to hear from anyone why my Petroleum Ether STB extraction
from MHRB yielded such a weak crystaline powder?
The nearly absent psychoactivity made me wonder if there was any DMT in that extract
at all.
Most of the extractions I have done have used Petroleum Ether 35/60 degree boiling point. It is mostly 5 and 6 carbon alkanes. I get snow white crystals always with this as the extracting solvent and 30 milligrams of the product vaporized into the lungs is a guaranteed breakthrough.
The 35/60 PE literally boils when I run hot tap water over my separating funnel to warm it and I have to be careful of pressure build up. I have a bottle of pentane (BP is 36 deg C) that I ought to check out in an extraction.
As for the purity of the product, I have never had it run through any analysis like mass spectrography. Has anybody tried extracting with more exotic light alkanes such as butane or propane? It of course would require some high pressure equipment. I have used less selective solvent like DCM and that definitely dissolves all kinds of stuff leaving an oily residue rather than crystals upon evaporation. That might make for some interesting changa! But that is another topic I thinks...
The 35/60 PE literally boils when I run hot tap water over my separating funnel to warm it and I have to be careful of pressure build up. I have a bottle of pentane (BP is 36 deg C) that I ought to check out in an extraction.
As for the purity of the product, I have never had it run through any analysis like mass spectrography. Has anybody tried extracting with more exotic light alkanes such as butane or propane? It of course would require some high pressure equipment. I have used less selective solvent like DCM and that definitely dissolves all kinds of stuff leaving an oily residue rather than crystals upon evaporation. That might make for some interesting changa! But that is another topic I thinks...