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Resin. The way to go.

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Infundibulum said:
Could this be the culprit? No mescaline is supposedly found in the inner compartments, but these may contain other alkaloids. Maybe even potentiators.
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This is a very good point, SWIM has noticed that his discarded core and white flesh from extractions can kind of oxidise a very strange orange and red color, and it sometimes resists mould for prolonged periods of time.... This could be down to some alkaloids floating around in the flesh.
 
Infundibulum said:
House, nobody said that you're a liar. But on the other hand, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence (Carl Sagan?)

That is, the method you describe sounds extraordinarily amazing, with extraordinary yields (in terms of how much you can take out of a footlong cactus and this is contrary to what the vast majority of people have experienced. That is, SWIM knows that eating a footlong cactus (outer green flesh only) 2 times in his life was nothing impressive at all, at least psychedelic-wise. How would things had changed if he had boiled the cactus pieces and make the "resin"? Not much I believe.

For sure you're not a liar. I start thinking that something else may account for these results not previously examined closely:

You said (can't remember if it was in the chat or here in this topic) that you boil whole pieces of the FRESH cactus (waxy layer, outer green flesh, inner white flesh, core everything). In contrast, most of the people would go for just the outer green flesh, most often dried.

Could this be the culprit? No mescaline is supposedly found in the inner compartments, but these may contain other alkaloids. Maybe even potentiators. Or could it be that the prolonged heat treatment destroys some of the "trip inhibitors?"

I think that people should repeat it the way you did it and you should give as many details as possible on this!
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whole cactus cut into thin chunks (green and white used, the middle spine core was circle-cut out), simmered for over 10 hours with a lemon squeezed in water.
the pot was frozen after half of the cooking(small pot, fits in freezer easy), and then later put back on the stove with the frozen water and cactus inside.

then filtered, reduced.




the cacti, I heard, wasn't bitter at all after this.

And, like I said, my friend unveiled an extraordinary yield from such simplicity.

sorry for getting heated...I think my only pet peeve is when I am telling the truth and someone doesn't believe me.
Oh well, numerous people are living in bliss, and the minimalism spreads...

love you guys
let us know how your relationship with this ally develops...I find it most fascinating
 
When you state that 6 strong doses can be had from 12 inches of cacti, well I know people who eat fresh cacti raw, and normally eat 12 inches for 1 dose. Often this isn’t enough. There are times when 6 inches is enough but 2 inches? This goes against everything I’ve ever read or researched on the internet, and also goes against SWIM’s own personal experience.

So yes, for me it sounds highly exaggerated. Maybe your friend is super sensitive to mescaline. Some people are. But for most people 2 inches of cacti is not nearly enough to trip on no matter what tech you use.

This tech is a very old tech. If such super yields were had from this tech where 2 inches of cactus suddenly becomes as strong as 12 then this tech would be a famous tech, all the rave from everyone including SWIM.
 
all i know is this... i got a bunch of magic with minimal effort.
difference between 1.5g of my resin and 400mg acetate... none that i can tell..

now i liked dosing the acetate i extracted from torch
but all the pulls i had to do and all the saltings to get decent yields
was a PAIN in the ass!!

this is so much simpler for what to me is equivalent just less concentrated product

i dunno how much iv yielded so far i didnt weigh it but... its wicked strong
iv been tripping all day off 1.5g and just dosed another 1.2 2 hours ago and feel it rising STRONG ...

to me results are what counts.. and for me resin is where its at simple as that
 
id have to say

if i ate 12 inches of the cacti i had...i would be laying on the floor in a pool of drool..this tek works VERY WELL...i dont understand why people are SOOO opposed to it...this is a great addition to most mescaline teks...if you want pure mescaline..do this tek first..and TEST it...and if its GOOD cacti..THEN do your extraction...BUT


why waste your materials on cacti that MAY be shitty!? why not do this very SIMPLE tek..and test it out....THEN make your judgement...

i see people criticizing this tek...and all i know is that it has worked WONDERFULLY for everyone that has tried it...why dont YOU try it...and see the results...

this stuff is extremely active...
 
2-5 caps is strong with this particular pachanoi.

I then stated that my friend had 30+ caps. Do the math. That's 6 or more!

Fact.

+

She also speculates there is about 100mg mescaline in each caps.
That would mean that this foot of pachanoi had about 3g of mescaline in it. Makes perfect sense to me...
It was cooked right after it was harvested and cloned. One happy pedro!

Don't eat whole cactus! It's OBVIOUS if you easily extract with water (freezing it before hand) you can get all of the spirit out of the pedro.
 
antichode said:
lets just chill out..... Cactus potency varies so much, if a 12 inch cutting is fat enough it can equate to about 50 grams of dried outer green flesh, SWIM has harvested 100 grams dry green flesh from two feet of super thick cacti before
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Well than that makes sense to me from my experience with torch..never had pedro or any other cactus..

A friend(who has tons of experience with psilocybgin) and I each ate 10 grams of dry torch outer flesh and both had a psychedelic exsperience complete with visuals and were both still feeling it a full day later.

If 1 foot of the same cactus contained 50 grams that would easily be 5 good doses for me and my friend.

I also gave 5 grams of this same cactus to another friend who has experience with peyote in a traditional native ceremonial setting and he felt efects that he said were light but undeniable and very pleasant.

I think that maybe some people are very tolerant to mescaline and others are very sensitve to it..or lots of shitty cactus is being sold...

I have even had very mild but noticable euphoric and stimulating effects from 3 or 4 grams of the same dry torch chips..and it's not placebo..I have tested this cactus a few times in the last few months and the results are consistant.

Makes me worried that the torch I am growing might dissapoint me...I hope not..

However, I have heard over and over again from others on this forum and other ones that doses as little as 2 grams torch gave them light anti depressant and euphoric effects and helped them stop drinking..

Also it might help if people report as to weather or not they are smoking cannabis while taking the cactus..I have found that cannabis greatly potentiates mescaline..I found this on my last cactus trip..a few hits a fe hours after ingestion of about6-7 grams and I had full on visions and extreme time dialation..complete mind fuck and confusion..before I smoked the pot I was only feeling normal low dose mescaline effects like euphoria, sense of well being and empathy and very mild visual enhancement.
 
SWIM's all for exploring the applications of this tek, but he can hardly blame anyone on this thread for their skepticism on the matter, considering the body of info accrued thus-far. As SWIM's said before, this is probably the way to go for dealing with fresh cactus, but he would likely go with Jorkest's suggestion for obtaining a pure extract from the resin, considering his concern about the salt content (which may be negligible anyway, but SWIM's going with his gut for the moment). Infundiblum's right on: If this tek is yielding a more potent product than eating, drinking, or extracting from cactus, this requires some investigation.

This thread has been getting a little unnecessarily defensive. This tek will live and die by its own merits, so there's no need for factions in the matter.
 
Well, what needs to be done is a controlled experiment.

Get a nice big cactus and slice it up into equal parts. One part will be eaten. One part will be extracted. And one part will be turned into resin. Compare potency.

How much is there exactly? Create a resin and perform an extraction on it. Get results from various types of cactus + calculate time of cooking.

Also, as stated, it could be attained that there are other alkaloids in the resin aswell. Seperate the mescaline from the resin, and then eat the remaining resin.

Let's see what the results say!
 
PerPLexED, I am sure this tech will extract more mescaline than any other A/B style tech, provided not much heat is used. In an A/B there is always some loss. This is just concentrated tea so there are so few steps to lose your mescaline to.

I have no problem with this tech. It’s a good simple tech. For me, the point that bothers me is the stated potency. It doesn’t add up. 2 inches becomes as strong as 12 inches! This is the part that is unbelievable. Also, SWIM did this tech many times in the past. It was SWIM’s first tech he ever used for cactus. So he’s talking from experience here. He never noticed it being any stronger than drinking the tea. In fact it was less potent than drinking the tea.
 
69ron said:
PerPLexED, I am sure this tech will extract more mescaline than any other A/B style tech, provided not much heat is used. In an A/B there is always some loss. This is just concentrated tea so there are so few steps to lose your mescaline to.

I have no problem with this tech. It’s a good simple tech. For me, the point that bothers me is the stated potency. It doesn’t add up. 2 inches becomes as strong as 12 inches! This is the part that is unbelievable. Also, SWIM did this tech many times in the past. It was SWIM’s first tech he ever used for cactus. So he’s talking from experience here. He never noticed it being any stronger than drinking the tea. In fact it was less potent than drinking the tea.
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Cactus is used to high temperatures, why would that change here? my post was directed to getting tested results so we can have a comparison instead of basing it on human logic which phails epicly (look up the birthday paradox to see what i mean)
 
psychosisdoses said:
all i know is this... i got a bunch of magic with minimal effort.
difference between 1.5g of my resin and 400mg acetate... none that i can tell..
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Dorge said:
it is a very effective and easy tek...
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SWIM would be very interested in the details of your procedures guys!

Such as:

# which part of the cactus was used (whole or outer green)
# was it dry or fresh?
# how long the acid cook lasted? (2 hours? 1 day?)
# ...and at which (roughly) temperature?
# and at which temperature the tea was reduced to the "resin"?

Finally, SWIM would like to ask whether this would work just by drinking the tea, e.g. do the above acid extraction with 1 footlong, reduce it to 1-2 cupfuls and consume it. Would the taste be as bad as chewing the cactus? Would it produce nausea and vomiting?

Thanks in advance.

I'd really like the people who do this very simple tek to come back with more-or-less detailed descriptions of their procedure and effects.
 
Infundibulum said:
# which part of the cactus was used (whole or outer green)(i used outer flesh only from GOOD torch i got a few months back when FV still had chips... it sure is a shame they dont anymore...)
# was it dry or fresh? (dried)
# how long the acid cook lasted? (2 hours? 1 day?) (12hrs)
# ...and at which (roughly) temperature? (JUST below a simmer)
# and at which temperature the tea was reduced to the "resin"? (150F in a food dehydrator)

what you didnt ask:
i used citric acid for my acid got ph to 3 before adding cactus
i warmed my acid solution up to my cook temp and stabilized it there BEFORE adding the cactus... i then added 200g whole chips and the cook time started.. 12 hours later i held lid on angle and decanted it into another bowl through cheese cloth...


as for tea id just reduce to resin and cap
this stuff doesnt taste so magical........


"I'd really like the people who do this very simple tek to come back with more-or-less detailed descriptions of their procedure and effects. "
(as for this... i tried above i thought i was detailed.. any questions lemme know)
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Could it be , that Mescaline or one of the other Alkaloids is getting more bioavailable ,when it's being converted into its Citrate Form :?:
 
Observant said:
Could it be , that Mescaline or one of the other Alkaloids is getting more bioavailable ,when it's being converted into its Citrate Form :?:
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It may as well be the case!

@psychosisdoses:
Thanks for the info, as well as the additional parts! It'll also be nice if people rgive a rough idea of their sensitivity to mescaline - SWIM is very very unsensitive to it, 200mg HCl salt basically do nothing (not even pupil dilation!), 400mg is just fine but without take off, 800mg is where the real fun is!
 
So how effective are booster doses with this or other teks? SWIM has read that there isn't a noticeable tolerance, but is curious as to whether an additional dose at T+3 or so would kick in relatively soon, or take the full 2+ hours as with the original dose?
 
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