Reviewing LSA + tek

[Cognitive Heart]

More batches on the way with fresh HBWR! I've discovered MG seeds DO NOT contain LSH(from what is currently known) only fresh HBWR. The LSA from MG will still work, however it seems counter-intuitive for the entire process of discussion on mint and its effect on LSH. Ah well, MG can still be great besides that fact anyways.

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[HippingTrippY]

In the early 80's, before the post cold war flood of ergotomine tartrate from Czechoslovakia I was VERY into LSD. I had a tendency to run into ALL the right people in regards to my Obsession. At one point I tried to slow down by moving from the major city I lived in to Eugene Oregon to "chill out" and ended up hanging out with Merry Pranksters kids and living in Pleasant Hill. No matter what I did I just moved further up and further into Trippiness. A cool guy who spoke Russian and was into meditation/Yoga in addition to drugs told me something that in my heart I believe to be true. He spoke to me of a flavor of LSD that came on blotter paper called "Rose Crystal" It had a bit more of a body load and he was of the opinion it was more heart Chakra based than "Head". It came from Hawaii and was extracted and chemically processed from Hawaiin Baby woodrose seeds. I had it on these black and white Japanese fuedal crest blotter paper that came in 48 dose pages. White designs on black paper. I was told it was like half as potent as "white ergotomine tartrate" LSD by weight. 2 grams for 10,000 doses instead of the usual 1 gram.
Though you reading these posts on the topic of this thread may only be into this topic to try a mint flavored beverage and enjoy a personal experience, I suspect some are trying to change the drought conditions in a big way. I am putting myself out there/here on the interweb just to say I believe it has been done before and that there is some simple trick that would empower an individual to turn a single seed into a satisfactory dose.
Personally I wouldn't go back to my past behavior even if I had access to piezo luminiscient triple-sep @ $800 a gramme. I believe one would be Karmacally bound to ALL outcomes and reprecussions of spreading that around, including but not limited to those 10 year minimum mandatory sentences the feds pass out like doses at a dead show. However that said I want to encourage that person who is reading up on this subject in response to a calling that it can be done. Again there is some simple trick that for some reason is not widely known.
Love & Respect to all

 

[Cognitive Heart]

Welcome! Enjoy your stay.

Thanks for info.

2 grams for 10,000 doses instead of the usual 1 gram.

That's incredible! I'd be willing to bet those sheets of Rose Crystal are the beezknees. Quite extraordinary to encounter that. I can see how they would establish a 'heart centered' attitude towards HBWR. LSA seems to facilitate the heart in connection with the body, ergo the sedation that is so common and heart shaped leaves.

piezo luminiscient triple-sep

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This simple trick may or may not be simply managed. More info would be helpful.

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[HippingTrippY]

In the book "The yage letters" or perhaps in a poem Allen Ginsberg wrote soon afterwards Mr. Ginsberg makes the declaration the the brew RIMA/DMT combo is far superior than LSD. I think that supposition needs to be taken in historical context. He made it while LSD was still legal and regular folks (How much more so the preeminent beatnik poet) could obtain liquid ampules directly from Sandoz pharmaceuticals. I agree with Mr. Ginsberg from my own past experiences.
In composing a reply I googled a friend of a friend's name Roberta Goodman. I am stunned by what I read in the results.

"Z: War - MarijuanaLibrary.org
www.marijuanalibrary.org/Z-WAR
To drug enforcement it was the best place to find LSD sellers. ... By the time of her arrest Silverstein Jordan was 25-years- old and well established, with a .... Roberta Goodman, 32, is currently serving a staggering 72 years, according to news ..."

Roberta called the house I was staying at after her 1st bust to beg the Mother of her daughter's half sister to Please take rear my baby while I serve my sentence. The other Mother declined to focus on her own daughter's well being. I am totally for doing your own time. I am for taking responsibility for your own actions and treating my fellows with the love and compassion that I desire. However at the time I remember thinking to myself what a moral delima for her. The irony is that less than 2 years after her choice the person the Feds wanted was speeding in his new Mercedes with a trunk full of God only knows what. When asked for his license and information he reached into his pocket and pulled out a bag of weed. He got 7 years for what was in the trunk. This guy offered me a belt buckle that had been crafted by Owsley in Austalia. I wish I had said yes. This chap would move about 80 million doses a year. I read about Roberta's 2nd bust soon after her release in a Rolling Stone article about busts at Dead shows. I just found out now that her 2nd case resulted in that die alone in prison sentence.
The most successful person in that scene that I knew said to me once "I don't sell LSD to make money but to get people High". He rode around in a BMW and when he wanted a motorcycle just went to the Harley dealership and bought a brand new one. Those days are over. Minimum mandatory 10 year sentences have ended the Acid scene of the past. You are not missing ANYTHING. If you reading this post are thinking about financial benefits it is my humble opinion based on observations of reality that you would be much better off pursuing them legally.
If you are trying to make that magic minty conversion work for personal use I wish your next foray all the success possible. I respect this site's intended attitude section and would say to you that if you do not yet understand the purpose of some of their suggestions we can't go wrong following them and perhaps we will understand them in the near future.

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[Cognitive Heart]

Very interesting data and story! Agreed, of course, we must welcome all procedures and report them collectively by actually doing them.

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[HippingTrippY]

actually doing them."

I Respect your work in pursuing that elusive LSA to LSH formula. There is definitely something good in the morning glory and Hawaiian baby wood rose family. Though the following is ultra simplistic it may be useful in another context.
As I understand it the "Goodies" are water soluble, and there are fat soluble "unpleasant" elements that must be removed to increase the enjoyable part of the trip. When MDMA was made illegal my friends immediately had MMDMA available but it was so clean as to be unmarketable. I enjoyed it greatly. I prefer organics now. Pure organic mescaline is similarly ephemeral. I read somewhere and fully agree that no matter how much San Pedro Tea or organic mescaline one does if an emergency situation arose and a person "Had to drive a car" They could. The same thing can't really be said of mushrooms or DMT.
I would not have even commented on this very well thought up and courageous thread if I did not have some personal experience with both morning glory and Argeria Nervosa. I always did 10 of the HBRW seeds when I dosed . The very quality that I disliked could be just the thing in a much smaller dose to be an admixture for San Pedro Tea. I am going to take your advice and actually DO the experiment. It will take me a few days as I can't buy the HBRW seeds at my local Lowe's Hardware. I am going to thank you in advance and use your method for the HBRW component. I hope you will accept my apology for getting off topic.

I would not have remembered the possible value of HBRW seeds (in small dosage levels 1-2 seeds) if not for this thread

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[Cognitive Heart]

Thank you, as to you as well and your work! All is well my friend, excited to see your progress begin! :d

The LSA-LSH is controversial right now. Without more analysis done, its difficult to determine what is taking place during the mixing of essential oils, adducts and LSA. All we know is that it works to some degree, variating from person to person.

I did not know about the 'nauseating compounds' and their role in fat solubility. I feel a fatty substance like lecithin could prove worthy. Or coconut.. :want: I agree that the higher dosage with added compounds is of unnecessary value. Obviously it would be much more powerful=; however LSA itself is nauseating. So, trying to lower the LSA content is not what we want here, ha ha. You can manage that with more seeds, though. HBWR in particular. You have more material to work with quantitatively. lysurgeon wants to begin an experiment to make a few extractions with water, ethanol, peppermint, cinnamon in combination with LSA(HBWR). Many essential oils have a grounding effect that helps to curve nausea.

LSA and peppermint extract - LSD, LSA, LSH - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Respect to you.

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[divine_sage]

What have you found when it comes to eating the seeds (ground up) versus just the CWE? I have never tried the CWE, but ate about 270 seeds a few weeks ago and it was very intense. Only a few CEVs (not realistic, cartoonish) but intense thoughts and a feeling of understanding this reality.

Basically a kind of ego death, and a sort of sixth sense detecting the outer universe, but with no visuals.

I read that you had done 150 seeds with some effect, so my dose would seem a bit high. But I have read about others eating 500+ and reporting few results if any. Any thoughts?

 

[Cognitive Heart]

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[Cognitive Heart]

Well, eating the grounded seeds isn't exactly pleasant. I've never ate the ground up seeds before, so its hard for me to say. I've chewed whole seeds, though. It can be so unpleasant to the taste and body that we tend to reject the seeds and eventually purge. CWE compliments the experience/effects to a 'lighter' degree so that there is less nausea and likelihood to vomit. Basically, a greater experience with little effort to extract. Not to say eating the seeds doesn't work, CWE is just more efficient and less harmful to the body. Essential oils such as peppermint appear to enhance the experience while also complimenting the overall, immortal taste.

Mmm, yes. LSA is like that sometimes. I can relate. With 150 chewed I experienced extreme relaxation, changes in thought patterns(introspective), mild CEV, softening of visual field, empathy, enhanced spirituality, connection to nature, mild synthesia and extreme euphoria upon purging out the seeds. It will vary from person to person, prep, S&S, the seeds themselves etc. Anywhere between 150-350 is quite common. However, 450-750 seeds is very heavy, CWE or not.

LSA is quite sensitive and unstable. Eating 500 seeds is extremely undesirable and probably not worth the effort, too much on the body. Start low and work up to allow the body to correctly assimilate the compounds, so once you hit that true marker, the body will know what to do. I find it very difficult to eat them now due to prior experience. CWE on the other hand works wonders and only tastes like pure water. According to my knowledge(and the knowledge of shamans who work with these entheogens in central Mexico) only use a thimble full of fresh seeds. 13 or 26 seeds, as they are seen as mathematical, sacred numbers.

Like any psychedelic plant, its important to develop some kind of relationship.

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[divine_sage]

Thanks for your reply

I actually felt very little nausea with the 270 seeds, and they didn't really taste like anything. I ground them fine in a coffee grinder, put them in a bowl with some water, lemon juice, crushed ginger, and peppermint extract.

They had a texture like milled flax seed, just crunchy but nothing bad at all. I did not purge.

I did vape some cannabis about 3 hours into the experience, and I think that may have reduced the nausea.

I, too, felt extreme euphoria for the duration of the trip. I think I am going to try growing some of these seeds when I move. Does anyone know if they grow indoors at all?

 

[Cognitive Heart]

Your welcome

Okay, I see. You didn't really eat them then. Rather you drank it, which is greater IMO. Nice ingredients, it sounds delicious. You've inspired me to try a bowl next time around. I can agree to the cannabis reducing nausea, I get that with these seeds too. An entirely profound and enhanced experience with cannabis and MG(IMO).

I'm currently growing them outdoors. I've never grown them indoors. Surely it wouldn't be difficult to manage. They like full-sun, low-mod feeding and mod water. You may have to increase some of those aspects for indoor growing, it can be done. Be sure to have some material for them to climb and stretch their vines(height). I was actually thinking of doing this considering I have over 6,000 seeds left.

Such a spiritual plant.


@kindwill - Have you thought about posting your experiment here? Experimental Ergoline-Alkaloid Extractions (everything about LSA's) - LSD, LSA, LSH - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

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[sigma&pi]

For me CWE still has a great disadvantage: You need a lot of water for a single dose. It is a big problem for someone who doesn't like the taste of MG seeds. And their taste stays in your mouth during the whole trip...

I was thinking of reducing the amount of water and came up with such TEK:
1. Dissolve grunded seeds with little amount of acetone (50ml)
2. Filter out the solution, repeat procedure at least twice
3. Evaporate the acetone solution
4. Quickly add small amount of water (like 50ml), shake untill solution gets clear

I tried this method few weeks ago with 4g of seeds just to see if it works. And I had a wicked idea to make an enema with this so that I wouldn't need to worry about its taste :twisted: . I felt slight effects that waren't placebo for sure so I can say it's worth a try with bigger amount when I will want to have a real trip. But I felt some slight nausea and ache in my belly during the onset and I assume it was because I didn't defat my extract.

So I thoutht to add the defatting stage before step 1. with butane (a simple butane extraction in a pipe) but one thing worries me: If this won't take some worthy alkaloids as well with the fats?

 

[Cognitive Heart]

The greater volume of water, the greater the extraction will be. To me, CWE is just water, no pulp taste whatsoever. Unless I add a EO that enhances the taste.

Looks like a fun and simple TEK. Give it a roll of the dice and see how it prevails. Also, I encourage kindwill's extraction method, I think he's waiting for harvest. Anyways..AFAIK, almost all chemical extractions of LSA lose at least some percentage(small) of alkaloids. Plus, considering LSA's unstable nature, fatty substances could play a role in stabilizing that aspect. LSA is nauseating in itself, so defatting the active principles may stabilize them but it won't remove the somatic effects of LSA. Cannabis is the only great anti-nausea medicine for MG IMO. Ginger has shown some good results, too.

Looking forward to report!

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[jamie]

"I read somewhere and fully agree that no matter how much San Pedro Tea or organic mescaline one does if an emergency situation arose and a person "Had to drive a car" They could"

Someone has just not taken enough cacti.

 

[kindwill]

I need to report back on my thread.
I recently tried 400 dose seed from a friend seed but many of them were too little. And the cultivar was the common Ipomoea not heavenly blue or any other "strong" cultivar.
I did the extractions by the book, i even took a tiny piece of paper rubbed in this to check under the black light and the damn thing was brightly fluorescent (in opposition to the rest of the paper that didnt get smeared).
Ok, put ground seeds (coffee blender) to extract in a glass and a half water with lemon juice inside. The solution turned very viscous after some time so something must of been extracting.
After half a day of extracting it was time to filter that crap..
Very painful process, did it with filter paper and kept the glass in the fridge for a whole day in order to filter it.
Now to bioassaying.
Nothing, nada, zilch.
Not even dilated pupil.
Not even side effects. No nothing
Lessons learned:
-grow your own stuff! some ppl are dumb
-if it shines in the UV light it doesn't mean it has high alkaloid content
-maybe extract in higher water volume next time, rethink the filtering process, maybe use a thinner filtering paper (dunno)
I will repeat this after i get my first heavenly blue seeds.
Cheers

 

[Cognitive Heart]

Ipomoea violacea(tricolor) is the correct plant. They are hybrids - heavenly blue, flying saucers, pearly gates etc. Make sure of this and try a lower dose, this is a sensitive plant. Scientifically speaking - unstable compounds. Also, the duration you proceeded with is quite long. MG does not require this much time. In fact, 30 min is enough for, lets say, 250 ground-up seeds of an average persons body weight. So add up from there. You have a lot of seeds to work with, here. Thus meaning, the extraction time is reduced compared to HBWR which is tightly concentrated. MG will flow right out due to rapid alkaloid deployment. Try a jar next time. A militia strainer should work just fine. If there are remains of any white particles - that's the good stuff! Any remains of black mush should be discarded carefully through more filtering.

My recommendation: 6-8 HBWR seeds, larger jar, distilled water(reduce impurities), set up some pre-boiling before cooling water, place into jar, - 30 min with vicious shaking1/2 and then let sit in fridge2/2 with stable temp. 15 + 15.

No EO? Can you upload? Even the UV would be interesting to look at. I'll have uploads soon. Excited for harvest! The plant has been great this year. Stick with what you know, looking forward to the contribution.

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[Cognitive Heart]

Very good read if you haven't yet..

History of morning glory seeds (and other psychoactive bindweeds) - LSD, LSA, LSH - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

1971 - Hofmann ascertains that some of the ergine and isoergine in most bindweeds is present as the acetaldehyde adduct (N-(1-hydroxyethyl)amides) which readily hydrolyze to ergine and isoergine during the course of most extractions (Hofmann 1971)

1976 - Hofmann discovers ergonovine to be visionary on April 1, 1976, when he injests 2 mg to test the chemical basis for the ergot-Kykeon theory which he's investigating with Wasson and Ruck at the time (Hofmann 1978 ). Ott and Bigwood later confirm this finding, exploring the substance up to 10 mg (Bigwood et al 1979). Ripinsky-Naxon and colleagues likewise found 6 mg to be "entheogenic" (Ripinsky-Naxon 1993)

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[benzyme]

1971 - Hofmann ascertains that some of the ergine and isoergine in most bindweeds is present as the acetaldehyde adduct (N-(1-hydroxyethyl)amides) which readily hydrolyze to ergine and isoergine during the course of most extractions (Hofmann 1971)

exactly.

 

[Cognitive Heart]

We really need more analysis to really see what is happening with described effects of Nexians.