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RIP Steve Jobs

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I remember my first computer - the Apple IIc - Then all subsequent models and my first modem! A whopping 2400-baud! The iPod with 4 gigs and a firewire port.

All the way to my current MacBook Pro and iPhone. Jobs made me the geek I am.



He was a hero to me throughout my life.

Mr. Steve Jobs, RIP.
 
He told a reporter that taking LSD was one of the two or three most important things he had done in his life. He said there were things about him that people who had not tried psychedelics — even people who knew him well, including his wife — could never understand.
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From the new york times article today. THought it might be of interest here. End of an era. RIP.
 
jbark said:
He told a reporter that taking LSD was one of the two or three most important things he had done in his life. He said there were things about him that people who had not tried psychedelics — even people who knew him well, including his wife — could never understand.
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From the new york times article today. THought it might be of interest here. End of an era. RIP.
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Thanks for the quote. I'm typing this from a macbook right now, so I feel grateful to Steve for that.
 
jbark said:
He told a reporter that taking LSD was one of the two or three most important things he had done in his life. He said there were things about him that people who had not tried psychedelics — even people who knew him well, including his wife — could never understand.
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From the new york times article today. THought it might be of interest here. End of an era. RIP.
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That's awesome.
 
Hmmm.. Apple is known for horrible conditions in factories in china. Slave-like workers, high suicide rates, even child workers ffs! Plus stimulating consumerism by making and marketing all the useless consumption products that are made to become obsolete in just a few months when the new improved version comes out. And then we have to take in account that all this excess garbage being made is polluting the earth not only with the obsolete products that are discarded when replaced, but with the waste material generated in the process of making every one of those.

And then we have to take in account that all of this is made from prime material that has been unsustainably mined/extracted from different poor countries in unfair deals.

He's dead, I dont wish him and his close ones bad of course, but I wont pretend like he was a great benevolent genious either. He got rich thanks to the suffering of others.
 
Yes he did some great things and some bad things. Brought us all the wonder of his innovation and products we are thankful to have as well as a personal influence of inspiration. RIP Steve Jobs.
 
He basically invented what we call today's technology, so if we're to be grateful for something, I think that's it. Surely, he could have contributed more to the world, but he isn't the only person onto the earth, right? He was good with technology, and that's what he did as best as possible until the end of his days. After all, we're now 7 billion people on this planet and we're all living by the same materialistic means, even if we don't always agree to them...until there will be a global awareness of those facts, it will keep going on like this. IMO.

Rest in peace, sir.
 
endlessness said:
Hmmm.. Apple is known for horrible conditions in factories in china. Slave-like workers, high suicide rates, even child workers ffs!
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I'm not too well versed on Chinese economics - however my dorm-mate at Uni was from China and it's my understanding that most Chinese are very thankful to the US tech sector for bringing them countless jobs and moving them into a new era - providing opportunities to people who would otherwise be slave-laboring in the rice fields.

Not saying the horrors you speak of are justified - but I don't think there are many Chinese who'd like to go back to the old days.
 
jbark said:
He told a reporter that taking LSD was one of the two or three most important things he had done in his life. He said there were things about him that people who had not tried psychedelics — even people who knew him well, including his wife — could never understand.
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From the new york times article today. THought it might be of interest here. End of an era. RIP.
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Frisco...the cradle of modern society?
 
I remember my dad pulling out the Apple II GS out of the back of the car when i was a little dude in miami during the 80's. That was my first mac and i now have the new macbook pro... the guy has given me the opportunity to work as a graphic artist using his invention as a base to create it.

Even if he wasn't a saint, i do think it sucks that he's dead.
 
He basically invented what we call today's technology
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Seriously? He is basically famous for mass marketing touch screen products like the iphone and ipad and making them household products and apple a household name. much of this technology already existed (specifically tablet wise). he was much more of a marketer than an inventor.

My opinion on the matter is very similar to that of endlessness.
 
actualfactual said:
He basically invented what we call today's technology
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Seriously? He is basically famous for mass marketing touch screen products like the iphone and ipad and making them household products and apple a household name. much of this technology already existed (specifically tablet wise). he was much more of a marketer than an inventor.

My opinion on the matter is very similar to that of endlessness.
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Heh :) Jobs brought to "life" the Macintosh. It was the first personal computer with a graphical interface ever. Well, the one that had all the things it needed to become a success, anyway. Then Microsoft followed with the windows 3.1, and from there on, I think we all know how the story goes.
 
Jobs is, and Bill Gates to a lesser extent, the Thomas Edison of our times. In fact, I predict that Edison will be all but forgotten in a hundred years time and these two will be the ones adorning the pages of our children's children's history texts.

@ Endlessness:

Perhaps - but name someone, anyone, who has radically altered their time and the course of technology or history who is completely beyond any reproach. I don't think such a person exists, and if there are some we may name, I may argue that is likely that we just do not have the whole story. :)

Scale is what is in the balance: both scale of great deeds and great misdeeds.

JBArk
 
rjb said:
actualfactual said:
He basically invented what we call today's technology
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Seriously? He is basically famous for mass marketing touch screen products like the iphone and ipad and making them household products and apple a household name. much of this technology already existed (specifically tablet wise). he was much more of a marketer than an inventor.
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Heh :) Jobs brought to "life" the Macintosh. It was the first personal computer with a graphical interface ever. Well, the one that had all the things it needed to become a success, anyway. Then Microsoft followed with the windows 3.1, and from there on, I think we all know how the story goes.
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Lets not forget the small things, too, like those cool little flash drives you all know and love. One of the primary reasons flash technology is remotely affordable to consumers is the fact that so many iPods needed to be produced. Apple is almost solely responsible for the affordability of solid state memory as we know it.

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When originally introduced, 2X MLC was roughly half the cost of the equivalent density SLC component. The explosion of consumer electronic devices (most notably the iPhone and iPod from Apple) that have chosen 2X MLC over HDDs, combined with the significant competition from new entrants into the market, have driven 2X MLC component prices down significantly faster than their SLC counterparts — to the point where now the technologies are virtually uncoupled from a price perspective. To achieve some historical perspective, 8 GB SLC-based SSDs sold for approximately $4,000 in 2004. Today, 16 GB MLC-based SSDs routinely sell for less than $200 —
double the capacity for 1/20 the price in just four years.
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Not to mention the personal computer and mainstream acceptance of computing as we know it.
 
jbark said:
Jobs is, and Bill gates to a lesser extent, the Thomas Edison of our times. In fact, I predict that Edison will be all but forgotten in a hundred years time and these two will be the ones adorning the pages of our children's children's history texts.

@ Endlessness:

Perhaps - but name someone, anyone, who has radically altered their time and the course of technology or history who is completely beyond any reproach. I don't think such a person exists, and if there are some we may name, I may argue that is likely that we just do not have the whole story. :)

Scale is what is in the balance: both scale of great deeds and great misdeeds.

JBArk
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"completely beyond any reproach" seems like searching for an enlightened person, which I dont believe in. But there have certainly been people who helped develop our world in different aspects, and may not be perfect but certainly had a much higher ethics than the one displayed by Mr Jobs. And even if there werent, should we just ignore his misdoings and just act like its all "roses, roses" ?

Not that I will be remembered but in any case I would rather the day I died everybody remembered all my sides, impartially, that people denounced my mistakes and improved themselves through the lessons learned by my misdoings, as well as from my good doings. But as for steve jobs, I only see people glorifying without one hint of notice of the absurdities of what went on.

To make MILLIONS (or billions?) on the cost of other's suffering is not just 'reproachable', it's absurdly twisted! In the words of peter tosh:

You teach the youths about Christopher Colombus
And you said he was a very great man
You teach the youths about Marco Polo
And you said he was a very great man, so

You can't blame the youth
You can't fool the youth
You can't blame the youth, not at all

When every Christmas comes around
You buy the youth a fancy toy gun
You can't blame the youth
You can't fool the youth
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Why are our 'heroes' ethically-lacking people, and why can't we recognize that? Sure some of these people had contributions that on one way or another might have been positive, but are we supposed to 'sell' our morality because of it and ignore the bad side? Cant we expose the situation and try to think of how to from now on make sustainable ways of developing, even if this means not every second person in the world will have an iphone version 4235243?


a1pha, your argument is like saying, if I buy a slave and give it a bit more bad milk for breakfast, then its much better because im improving the life, and its not a problem because he/she was a slave in the first place?
 
endlessness said:
a1pha, your argument is like saying, if I buy a slave and give it a bit more bad milk for breakfast, then its much better because im improving the life, and its not a problem because he/she was a slave in the first place?
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If I improve the life of the slave then I have done some good. We can debate the level of good one should provide (good milk or bad milk) - but maybe that's another thread?

This does not justify the act of owning a slave - but then I never said that. If we were to weigh the overall good/bad of the company (though that's not really possible) - I would argue Apple has done much more good than bad.

It's messy, but what large business isn't?
 
Before continuing, can we see sources for some or all of these misdeeds? I have no doubt there were some if not many, but I have no point of reference for the extent and scale of them. I profess I had not until NOW heard what a horrible reproachable man Jobs was, and how Apple was as bad or worse than most companies in business today. It may not be Roses Roses Roses, but must it be Feces Feces Feces?

I am with Alpha: improve someone's life somewhat in any part of the world, and frankly, slave or not, the bottom line is you have IMPROVED their life. After that, you may or may not endeavour to more greatly improve their life, but to have the critical eye of those more fortunate than you condemning your good fortune is disproportionate, at the very least. Give a meal to a hungry family and there will always be someone there to reproach you for not having taught them to farm.

JBArk
 
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