Salvia

[BabyFat]

My first experience with Salvia, I forgot that I had even taken a hit. Had <no talk of purchasing allowed> 20x and 80x 'blueberry' incense and a small glass bowl. Riding passenger on the way back home I tried out the new pipe and sage. I saw things, felt like I was swaying, I had paranoia and them laughter took over me. I came back to reality and looked down at the pipe and could figure out why it looked used. I later was able to remember bits of the trip. I asked to be video taped the next time so I could try to remember better what was happening as it completely took me away. I became a letter on an amusement park ride- the letter 's' to be precise. I was scared the ride stopping meant I was going to die. It was really colorful and I remember my tongue being the first sensation I had of my body that started coming back to reality. It felt really weird- like my tongue was going thru an egg slicer but it was completely numb. Then I would laugh and laugh. I don't know why I did it so many times because it was just so intense I didn't really enjoy the first 15 seconds. I found it best sprinkled over some good greens- a good happy, giggly, body high. It is no longer legal and not easy to find so I am glad that I tried it and am not too upset if I can't do it again...

 

[IneffablyPerplexed]

Sounds fun.

Salvia trips can be very intense, and forgetting you have taken anything is fairly normal. Any time I've took decent strength salvia I instantly forget that I am on a drug, and subjectively the experience has to just be dealt with as though it is just a new thing that is happening inexplicably (whereas, for example, when I take mushrooms I am always aware I have taken mushrooms so I know I am tripping).

Filming it could be interesting, but it probably wouldn't help much with remembering the experience. I've seen myself on salvia and there isn't much sign on the outside of what is happening on the inside. Still, it's always fun to see how your body appears when your mind is somewhere else.

I'm not surprised it is no longer legal. I'm amazed it took so long for them to outlaw it. Things that shift people's perspectives so radically are not something that the state desires. Can't have a bunch of malleable happy workers if they are all blowing their minds with salvia... so they ban it (that's why I think they ban these things anyway, I could be wrong).

 

[BabyFat]

I'm not surprised it is no longer legal. I'm amazed it took so long for them to outlaw it.

I was absolutely flabbergasted after I tried it - just knowing it was legal and marijuana is not. As long as it doesn't harm or infringe on the rights of others I think people should be able to do as they wish with their body!

 

[Metanoia]

I don't want to sound angry here, but I am.

The reason it's illegal is stories like this. Sure, nothing went seriously wrong, but it very well could have been disastrous. Hitting a Salvia extract of unknown potency in a moving car, without any prior experience or research :thumb_dow

The guy in NY who smoked some on the balcony of his apartment while his girlfriend watched...as he dove over the railing and plummeted to his death. That's why it's illegal. People who have no clue what they're doing, do no research, and make foolhardy mistakes.

Please, people, if you're interested in Salvia, or anything else for that matter, do some research and LEARN about it before you jump headlong into the unknown.

 

[VoidTraveler]

I'm with Dioxippus on this, taking a substance in the back of a car without doing the proper background research is incredibly irresponsible. We here at the Nexus take pride in using substances in a SAFE and CONTROLLED environment, where the user of the substance has the opportunity to explore other realms.

Taking such an intense drug in the back of a car is the exact opposite of that. These substances are illegal because people use them irresponsibly, such as dosing up and then posting the videos on Youtube. If none of these kids with their irresponsible "lets get fucked up" attitude would've posted Salvia videos online, noone would've made a problem out of it and banned it.

Almost all drugs have been put on blacklists due to people abusing it in one form or another. Smoked salvia videos are just another example of abuse of a very powerful entheogen. Behavior like this is damaging to the work that the DMT Nexus is doing.

Please have a thorough read of the Attitude page. Do your research before taking any substance. An excuse like "I didn't know it was so powerful" is a really crappy excuse, because any substance can be intense when taken in a high eough dose. On top of that, re-acquaint yourself with the following section of the attitude page as well:

No discussion on selling, buying, sourcing, pricing, trading or smuggling of drugs
This includes all isolated psychedelic compounds and RCs (Research Chemicals), whether they are legal or not. The only goods allowed to be discussed are legal live plants, legal viable seeds (both in the Sustainable plant and seed suppliers subforum) and legal/unwatched chemical supplies. See Street Value of DMT (AND WHY YOU SHOULDN'T EVER SELL DMT AND OTHER PSYCHEDELICS) for good reasons why we don't allow this.

 

[Enoon]

Hey BabyFat,

I edited your post to take out the sourcing talk.

I'm also with the others on the fact that your anecdote demonstrates very little responsability. But while something like this might have happened to anyone of us - yes I'm sure we've all done stupid things - you post it without any reflection on the matter. At least, if you are posting something that is obviously reckless and potentially dangerous, make a disclaimer and explain how you learned from the experience... Otherwise it's just plain irresponsible.

 

[Nicita]

I fully aggree to the safer use statements already given and want to add, that plain leaf is usually the responsible way to go. Salvia is known for having a reverse tolerance. For the first few trials, many users have little effect and as experience grows, the effects become stronger, ultimatly resulting in visiting other worlds. This can happen very early or eventually take a lot of trials, but in the end, you can have very strong effects from plain leaf, even when chewed or smoked in a joint. Some people might get little effect in the long run and may choose to dose with stronger extracts, but taking them as a beginner is just irresponsible and stupid. It's like saying: hm I want to learn to drive, I think I will start with a high power motor bike! Where is the excellerator?!
The only difference is that in the example with the bike, everyone would say we have to keep stupid kids away from motorbikes, while because of stupid kids taking insane amounts of Salvia resulted in outlawing sage.
Please don't do this and do not encourage it in others...

 

[jamie]

The sale of salvia extracts should just stop. Responsible vendors should realize this and only sell plain leaf and live cuttings. This cuts out the idiots who cant figure out the rest themselves.

Really it's easy..get a plant. I have more dry salvia than I can figure out what to do with. Anyone with a one bedroom apartment can to. There is no need for vendors to be selling these rediculous extracts..leave it for the people who are actaully dedicated enough to figure out how easy it is to make their own.

I know people that have bought the extracts at smoke shops, smoked it in the park across the street in blunts and wandered out confused into heavy traffic.

I feel like kicking it over next time I see a newpaper stand selling some kind of salvia extract like it's dope.

This is one scenario where stupid people really do need to be protected from themselves. I really wish vendors would just smarten up and stop selling extracts. They wont though, they will have to be forced to by scheduling the whole plant..which is sad. Please stop supporting vendors selling salvia extract. Buy plain leaf and live cuttings and learn how to make extract at home. Keep it out of the hands of undedicated stupid people.

If vendors wait till it is illegal to act properly there will be a black market surrounding salvia eventually..it is better that people just step up and agree to not sell these extracts, and push live plants instead. It will be doing much more for the future legality of this plant without supporting a rush towards criminalization.

 

[BabyFat]

Hitting a Salvia extract of unknown potency in a moving car, without any prior experience or research

I did research it online prior to trying it. No matter how much I had read up about it, I would never had expected it to be so intense. I was not driving the vehicle, I was riding passenger. All other times that I did it I was safely in my home- not outside or in a dangerous/public environment. Didn't take long to learn that it was something do keep to myself about. I did not know that it was so easy to just grow. I am not sure that I could handle smoking it again but chewing the leaves is something I find intriguing. I feel like I am walking on eggshells sometimes when I post in the Nexus-- geesh! I am here obviously to become informed etc. I am not trying to offend anyone- I may be naive but that's what got me here so... a little love? Just trying to learn and grow :thumb_up:

Smoked salvia videos are just another example of abuse of a very powerful entheogen. Behavior like this is damaging to the work that the DMT Nexus is doing.

I did not make the video for public purposes. I asked my husband to record it so that I could possibly get some answers to what was happening to my physical body when I felt so distant from it. I understand some of your immediate jumping to conclusions about my intentions and my responsibility level ... I will tell you- I am not some 'teenager' that is looking for a trip. I am interested in other dimensions and am excited to try things that could help bring me there. I always enjoy learning new things and have respect for the rules here, I am a newbie and am still learning your acceptable attitudes. Thanks for understanding

 

[SecondSelf]

That's why it's illegal. People who have no clue what they're doing, do no research, and make foolhardy mistakes.

Mm... Lack of preparation - both mental and physical (ie locational) always results in something negative, in my experience. I totally agree, you need to know what you're letting yourself into (even if you can't possibly understand what it is from descriptions that use the five senses as reference, but enough to acquire further preparation).

I find that being in a warm, comfortable setting with low lights, gentle aura and maybe even some (non-'haunting') music helps the result of my trip a *lot*. In the back of a car is definitely not the kind of atmosphere I would advocate taking salvia in (sorry BabyFat, bro).

I had a rather bittersweet time on salvia once. It was bitter because I wasn't 110% comfortable with my location and the time (and I find that salvia is very susceptible to that kind of thing personally, unlike mushrooms which seem to have more of an easy sway with whatever you want to feel), and as a result I suffered intense paranoia (well, once I remembered who I was and that I had taken salvia) and tried to drag myself into some state of apparent normality. Bad idea; the paranoia and fear got worse. The plus side of it all was I felt I finally became aware of my level of consciousness behind my ego, my immediate self, and experienced my conscious self... as my subconscious? Fun fun.

Point is, setting, mood and general comfort greatly helps; with every entheogen I would guess, although my experience is limited to only salvia and mushrooms.

 

[BabyFat]

In the back of a car is definitely not the kind of atmosphere I would advocate taking salvia in (sorry BabyFat, bro).

I am a she (not a bro)

I agree that it was not the best environment for my first experience- I was in the front seat of my car and I had this substance in my hand that I had read really amazing things about- I was impatient- so I lit up. I always set the mood and lighting correctly when I've used salvia each time after that first experience. This was quite some time ago mind you. I have a much better understanding at this point in my life as to the proper ways to use substances- I don't even use alcohol in a public environment - much safer and more comfortable to let loose at home :roll:

 

[SecondSelf]

In the back of a car is definitely not the kind of atmosphere I would advocate taking salvia in (sorry BabyFat, bro).

I am a she (not a bro)

I agree that it was not the best environment for my first experience- I was in the front seat of my car and I had this substance in my hand that I had read really amazing things about- I was impatient- so I lit up. I always set the mood and lighting correctly when I've used salvia each time after that first experience. This was quite some time ago mind you. I have a much better understanding at this point in my life as to the proper ways to use substances- I don't even use alcohol in a public environment - much safer and more comfortable to let loose at home :roll:

Whoops. Sorry, ma'am

Fair enough I guess it all depends on the person in question, but I'm only talking from my own experiences. I hope I didn't seem too frontal with that post, I get passionate about entheogens, don't mind me

 

[VoidTraveler]

Hey BabyFat,

Thanks for clarifying things up. In retrospect I think I come off way too harsh in my post, for which I apologize. I didn't want to sound condescending but I think I let my feelings fun a bit too freely.

I did not make the video for public purposes. I asked my husband to record it so that I could possibly get some answers to what was happening to my physical body when I felt so distant from it. I understand some of your immediate jumping to conclusions about my intentions and my responsibility level ... I will tell you- I am not some 'teenager' that is looking for a trip. I am interested in other dimensions and am excited to try things that could help bring me there.

I didn't specifically mean to refer to you recording a video of the experience because I too have such a video. And I too have not shared this video with others except a few very close friends because it is an hilarious clip to watch(but also a very private one). Your post lacks some details that point out that you have taken the proper precautions before using the substance which tricked me into believing you were only recently using Salvia in a very irresponsible manner. And it is the irresponsible use that upsets me and in the case of Salvia, the best way to illustrate this is the posted videos on YouTube of Salvia use.

Misunderstandings like these can avoided if you, like Enoon suggested, would provide more details in your post such reflections. If you would have mentioned that this was a few years back and that since then you, for instance, have learned that smoking Salvia in a car isn't the way it should be used others could learn from your experiences. And image that some kid doing his/her research on Salvia finds your posts and avoids having a bad experience because of what you shared.

 

[BabyFat]

At times I just like to type away -- I will try to be better at stating all the factors you suggested -it is a bit foreign to me to not just be able to freely type my experiences as I remember them- I have not always been 'appropriate' as according to the Nexus in my approaches into other realms. What I have stated thus far is just what I know so far- I continue to learn each day.

 

[Metanoia]

I also apologize for jumping on you there Babyfat, but you must understand, I've heard stories like your OP a million times. People saying that it's "a shitty high" and "I don't care if I can do it again anyways" People being impatient (as you admitted) or simply uninformed, having a terrible experience, and blaming the plant itself for the outcome. I tend to take it personally, and again, I apologize. We all start somewhere, we all learn and grow.

Salvia is something very sacred to me. Something that my life would be very different without. It's been something of a blessing to me. It was the first entheogen that truly opened my eyes and imparted a great deal of healing when I was in serious need of it. I would give up everything in my life for this plant. It may sound insane, but I would willing become a martyr for the Salvia cause If Canada ever plans on making it illegal, I will go to the most extreme measures to make sure it remains legal. I've always followed my passion, and Salvia is at the heart of much in my life.

 

[BabyFat]

Salvia is something very sacred to me. Something that my life would be very different without. It's been something of a blessing to me. It was the first entheogen that truly opened my eyes and imparted a great deal of healing when I was in serious need of it. I would give up everything in my life for this plant. It may sound insane, but I would willing become a martyr for the Salvia cause If Canada ever plans on making it illegal, I will go to the most extreme measures to make sure it remains legal. I've always followed my passion, and Salvia is at the heart of much in my life.

Much respect for the plant -all plants- kudos to you for respecting it from the get go.

 

[starway6]

I agree anyone taking salvia divinorum extract should do so ..[with care].. and show respect to the plants power!
Ive smoked diferent salvia extracts 18 times now and never had what one could call a bad trip ...
I seem to be getting more used to salvia every time i smoke [alone!] and never with a sitter// ..[even though a sitter is a good idea]
I just take carefull preperation before i smoke for saftey...
in my state.. its still leagle...
I love this plant!

 

[BabyFat]

Do you feel more secure with a sitter?

 

[Dr John]

i can't say i enjoy salvia a whole lot myself. i learned from it, but the sensation of being put through a tree chopper is a complete turn off. my first time was also in a car, but i was parked in my driveway at home.

if driving, i would likely pull over while someone took their salvia hit, people can be unpredictable. in my experience, nothing can prepare you for a salvia trip, i have had complete ego loss and disphoria on it.

 

[Pandemic]

Salvia is one of the most intense experiences i've had and I can't say it's very comfortable.. But for most people, I believe they do feel more secure with a sitter