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Sassafras a hallucinogen? Really?

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SWIM tried 30 grams a few hours ago. It's the same batch.

HE FEELS ALMOST NOTHING AT ALL.

So either the bark is getting too old, or tolerance to it lasts a very long time. The last time he tried was 3 days ago and he felt it more with a smaller dose. The best experience was the first one after not having any for a long time.

Either tolerance lasts for more than 3 days or the bark gets old fast.

SWIM is going to take a long break from this for a while before trying again.
 
In reading trip reports on nutmeg, which likely has similar actives, he ran across this statement about tolerance from another forum:

SWIM has noted tolerance to nutmeg's effects with weekly usage. Effects from 55g felt like effects of 30g with less tolerance.
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So it's possible SWIM will have to wait more than a week before trying this test again:(

20 grams taken 5 days ago was a pretty good but mild dose.
25 grams taken 2 days later was weaker.
30 grams taken 5 days later was weaker than 20 grams.

So tolerance is most likely an issue. I doubt the root is getting old so quickly.
 
Hmm my buddy is wanting to isolate JUST the safrole oil. Is soxhletting with say naptha or acetone followed by vaccume distillation be the correct route or would he evap the solvent then distill the resulting muck? Comments?
 
good thread!

sorry if I missed this but what specimen of sassafras are you using?
this makes a big difference.
If it's sassafras albidum (which I think is what most vendors carries) then it is much weeker then some of the other specimens of sassafras out there.
 
The root bark used was Sassafras albidum.

Note that, SWIM cannot get effects from his sassafras anymore. I think it's no longer any good. Either that or tolerance to it lasts a super long time. He kept the sassafras in a zip lock bag. Maybe all the good stuff vaporized away? I don't know. But it doesn't do anything now.

He's going to wait maybe a week and try again with the rest of the sassafras he has. I think maybe grinding it to powder and storing it like that wasn't such a good idea. I think maybe the actives oxidized or vaporized away. I'm not sure.

Tolerance could be the issue though. The effects did last a long time, at least 24 hours or more, so maybe tolerance to it lasts a few weeks. It's possible. I've heard that iboga produces tolerance to other psychedelics that lasts a few weeks, so maybe this is what's going on.

More tests need to be done to know what's going on here.
 
In my experience, tolerance lasts pretty much exactly ten times the duration of any substance. So if it lasted at least 24 hours, I think the tolerance will last at least 10 days.
 
10 days:(

Yeah...I kind of thought that might be an issue. The effects last way too long, and every other day it was getting weaker and weaker even though he was taking more and more. I think SWIM will need to leave it alone for at least 2 weeks before trying again:( That sucks. It was VERY NICE.

SWIM recently took some LSH, and it didn't do much at all. I kind of think SWIM now has tolerance to LSH from the sassafras:( I'm not sure of this, maybe the LSH is just getting too old. But the sassafras after the MEK wash felt very much like LSD, so I wouldn't be too surprised if SWIM now has tolerance to a bunch of other stuff:( I hope this isn't the case.
 
I think that might very well be the case. Remember that cross-tolerance between vastly different substances such as psilocin, mescaline and LSD has been demonstrated. If the mystery substance in sassafras is similar to the TMAs (which are similar to mescaline), it would add up that it would cause cross-tolerance to LSH (which is similar to LSD). How some substances cause cross-tolerance and some do not, although they act in similar ways, is really a mystery to me.
 
Swim would be using S. Albidum as it is relativly easy to obtain the biomass. How "weak" is it really 10%? A kilo of rootbark would get 100g og oil appx 90% of that is safrole. Is there a better source of safrole? My buddy is finding Ocotea essential oils but they are coming under scrutiny themselves. Still available but exspensive. Should he steam distill albidum. Or is there a better source? Commments?
 
Why would you want the oil? I don't think the actives in sassafras are in the oil. Safrole is the main compound in the oil and is reported to be nothing more than a sedative and is not responsible for the good effects of sassafras. It's something you want removed from it, not something you want to ingest. Sassafras washed with MEK removes the safrole and other oils, and the effects are better after their removal.
 
Lol maybe I'm in the wrong thread? It is interesting that there maybe other actives in Sass. But swim is interested chiefly in the Safrole...... So with that in mind what would be the easiest and/or most efficient way of collecting the Safrole? Solvent extraction or steam distillation?
 
Maybe swim is intent on giving himself cancer or making root beer or perfume for the mrs. Who said anything about mdma? I'm just curious like the rest of you! Of course none of us would do anything illeagle its all for information purposes! Simply just gatherin a general concensus on the easiest way to the main constituant of sass and other plants of the like. :)
 
shopdropper said:
Lol maybe I'm in the wrong thread? It is interesting that there maybe other actives in Sass. But swim is interested chiefly in the Safrole...... So with that in mind what would be the easiest and/or most efficient way of collecting the Safrole? Solvent extraction or steam distillation?
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There is info for your question ALL OVER the internet, your in the wrong place. Try wetdreams.ws
 
Yes the info is every where. I've read a lot of it lol. Some say steam distill others solvent extraction....I just trust the insite of the users on this forum! People on the shroomery arnt as technical as a whole as y'all ar. I'm gonna tell swim use his best judgement. Probly steam distill. Thanks and sorry for hijackin your thread!
 
I've gathered fresh sassafras roots to make tea on several occasions. They grow all over the place where I once lived. I've never tried a cold water extract of it, but have always boiled the water and the put a tea bag of crushed rootbark in to steep (after boiling not during) for about 15-20 minutes, then add sweetener. It tastes fantastic and depending on the time of the year I pick it, it seems to have an increase in potency. The best teas I have had are around August, but say I went and picked some right now, it would be weaker probably...

The experience of drinking the tea felt much like a cup of ephedra tea to me, albeit a bit less speedy and most definitely tastier. I definitely consider a glass of it a pick-me-up, but only as much as say a couple diet pepsis would do for me. I've also tried combining ephedra with it, as well as blue lilly, both in tea form. Ephedra and sassafras was nice together, felt energetic and motivated. Another thing I noticed was that anytime I had sassafras tea or even after chewing on a piece of fresh root that ended up tasting strongly of the oils, is that smoking cannabis was very much potentiated, given the experience of smoking a sort of psychedelic kick to it. It's one of my favorite things to do while hiking, find a good piece of sassafras root, chew on it for a while and when I get to the peak of the mountain and am resting, I smoke a bowl and feel the nice little synergy between the two, and that energy helps me find the will to finish the hike.

I'm very interested now in trying a few things mentioned in this thread...
 
shopdropper said:
Yes the info is every where. I've read a lot of it lol. Some say steam distill others solvent extraction....I just trust the insite of the users on this forum! People on the shroomery arnt as technical as a whole as y'all ar. I'm gonna tell swim use his best judgement. Probly steam distill. Thanks and sorry for hijackin your thread!
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If you ever want to learn anything or be exposed to fresh new ideas, don't ever go to the shroomery. They are pretty uptight and pompous over there. In their minds what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong.
 
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