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Separating? Why multiple pulls? Lab ware?

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reduxredux

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reduxredux said:
The only problems I have been having lately have related to purely physical considerations. I don't have a good method of separating layers (all of the basters and droppers I have used do not work well; also, how do you employ a separatory funnel if the basic layer clings to the sides of the container?) and I was wondering why exactly you need to do multiple pulls of solvent. Wouldn't using more solvent simply pull more alkaloids out, so that you could do one pull and be done with it?

Also I was curious if anyone knew a good place to learn how to set up a lab with all of the necessary components (beakers, tubes, separatory funnel). I would really like to set up a small lab and learn how to use it but I have no chemistry background and can't take a class at the moment. It seems straightforward but I can't learn that well visually. I am intrigued by Soxhlet extractors and stuff but I can't even figure out how it works after studying pictures of it.

Thanks for any help. I find this forum completely invaluable.

Buy yourself a nasal aspirator and use a milk jug. The aspirator can hold a lot of solvent but is small enough and gentle enough to be able to get that last little bit out without a problem. I can't stand basters for this job. You can squeeze the milk jug so that all of the solvent is squeezed up at the neck (you'll need the jug pretty full of liquid to do this). I can easily get out all but a few drops of naphtha in a few quick minutes doing it this way. If a tad of basified juice gets in the collection jar, I simply suck the naphtha out again using the aspirator leaving the black juice and a tad of naphtha which goes back in the jug.

No idea about the set up though. sorry.
 

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Posting how to extract Mimosa is not going to attract authorities to Mimosa. People can extract Mimosa with just water and use it orally as is. We all know that. Anyone can do a cold water extraction of it and get effects. They don’t need a fancy extraction if they just want to get high from it. Merely extracting it doesn’t bring on the authorities. Showing images of people smoking white powder DMT in a crack pipe and acting bazaar will attract the authorities.

5-MeO-DMT is legal in many parts of the world and it can be bought on-line from several RC vendors. 5-HO-DMT is also legal in many countries, although not as many as 5-MeO-DMT. Both are never heard of in the media. DMT is slightly more common in the media, but even then, most people have no idea what it is.

Salvia was unfortunately taken advantage of by the marketplace by people who made highly concentrated extracts of it available OTC to anyone with the cash. It was being sold as a “psychedelic drug”, not a “research chemical”. That was not at all responsible, and it was a simple matter of time before it was banned. Had the marketplace acted responsibly and not sold concentrated extracts of it as a “psychedelic drug”, I’m sure it would still be legal everywhere. When the average person sees “research chemical” they think, “No way am I taking that! I’m not a guinea pig!” But when it’s labeled “psychedelic” then many drug seeking people who just want to get high are attracted to it.

Like salvia, 5-MeO-DMT was taken advantage of by similar dealers. It used to be that you could buy 5-MeO-DMT nearly everywhere advertised as a “psychedelic drug”. That’s no longer the case. Many of those places were shut down. Now none of the on-line dealers selling 5-MeO-DMT call it a “psychedelic”. They say nothing about its effects, and simply label it a “research chemical”. That keeps it from getting too popular and also allows them to sell it legally in some countries.

Fortunately no one is selling concentrated extracts of Mimosa, or pre-made ayahuasca brews on-line with the label “psychedelic”. If that ever starts, then it will start becoming illegal all over. All it takes is for a few major countries to start outlawing it, and the rest will soon follow. The word “psychedelic” has a very bad meaning to most governments and brings to their minds LSD and all the activism it caused. The last thing governments want is another LSD causing a bunch of activism. When you label DMT or ayahuasca a “psychedelic” you’re just asking for trouble. That’s exactly why salvia was banned in many places, it was being sold as a legal “psychedelic”.

There’s a girl on YouTube under the name “neurosoup” making videos that might cause a lot of trouble for everyone else. She’s got videos about DMT which group it together with the world’s worst nightmare: LSD. A soon as an association between DMT and LSD is brought to the consciousness of those in charge, Mimosa will start being looked at more seriously by the governments.

However even if Mimosa is banned world wide, DMT is present in hundreds of plants that grow wild, so it will always be available a few miles away from your house somewhere. Many police departments are actually growing DMT right in their lawns and don’t even know it.

I have not seen laws get tougher on DMT. In fact I’ve seen the opposite happen. Many places have made ayahuasca use legal for religious purposes even though DMT is illegal.

I see that the tide is turning in favor of ayahuasca. Ayahuasca gets a lot of positive media coverage. DMT never will be seen in the same light as ayahuasca. Ayahuasca is a simple tea. People don’t see tea as a “drug”, but people do see a white powder that you smoke in a crack pipe as being a “hardcore drug”. No matter how benign DMT might be, as soon as someone sees you smoking it in a crack pip, that’s it. They see you as a drug user. But when people see priests making tea and passing tea around, the mental image is very different. People don’t associate tea drinking with drug use, and so they think of it as an herbal concoction.

Imagine, you’re a old lady and you’ve seen people smoking crack and all on the news, and you see someone smoking DMT. From the old lady’s point of view DMT looks worse than crack. They are both white. They are both smoked in the same way. However DMT will make people incoherent and sometimes even fall to the ground. That looks far worse to the old lady’s than crack does. You might argue that it’s not addictive, but people will still see it as some sort of white powder you smoke like crack. It looks like a hardcore drug.

When people take ayahuasca, it’s normally in a large group setting with a priest or ayahuasquero. It looks like a social gathering. People are passing around tea, and talking about their visions. It doesn’t look like a drug scene. There’s no one smoking white crystals from a pipe. No one is drinking alcohol either. It looks like a positive religious social event.

If we want to keep Mimosa legal in most parts of the world we need to do the following:

* Don’t show people smoking Mimosa extracted DMT as a white powder in a pipe like it is crack!
* Don’t call it a psychedelic when talking about it in the media.
* Don’t associate it with LSD in the media.
* Don’t call it a drug.
* Do talk about it’s history and how many hundreds of years it’s been used as a tea in a religious setting. This gives people a sense of antiquity and history that surrounds the plant. People are far less to fear something their ancestors have been using for hundreds of years.
* Do talk about its healing qualities and use in ayahuasca and how beneficial ayahuasca is.
* Do call it an entheogen.

I believe that as long as people are made aware that Mimosa has been used by the ancients for hundreds of years in a religious context and is still used that way even today, Mimosa will remain legal. But if people are shown images of others smoking white DMT crystals as a drug in a crack pipe, and this image becomes associated with Mimosa, then Mimosa is in trouble.
 
All the youtube videos of extraction techs, people freaking out from smoking bufo, geez. Research will defeat this. If bark ever becomes illegal, like the man says, there are tons of plants growing wildly that contain 5-meo-dmt and nn-dmt. Tons of plants that are considered a nuisance species and impossible to get rid of in some countries. That's the one thing that nobody seems to be doing, researching techs with alternate common sources. Eventually, the good import sources will be made illegal in most countries. The youtube videos will attract the media and that will be the end of it. People don't mess with alternate sources because the yields are so small, but eventually it will be the only source people have. Researching local sources would greatly benefit the continuation of the DMT community. One great fantastic goal that all SWIMMERS should share, would be discovering a way to remove gramine from extractions. Just in case it is dangerous.
 
* Don’t show people smoking Mimosa extracted DMT as a white powder in a pipe like it is crack!
* Don’t call it a psychedelic when talking about it in the media.
* Don’t associate it with LSD in the media.
* Don’t call it a drug.
* Do talk about it’s history and how many hundreds of years it’s been used as a tea in a religious setting. This gives people a sense of antiquity and history that surrounds the plant. People are far less to fear something their ancestors have been using for hundreds of years.
* Do talk about its healing qualities and use in ayahuasca and how beneficial ayahuasca is.
* Do call it an entheogen.

These are the best suggestions I have heard in a long, long time.

Youtube will destroy us all in the end. Everyone wants to document what an ass they are and make sure as many people see it as possible, I don't get it.
 
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