I just read a post describing a situation which had happened to me just recently and was hoping maybe some of you could shed some light on this freak occurrence. After enjoying hyperspace, maybe 30 mins later after being completely sober out of nowhere my jaw drops and feels if every piece of my matter is being sucked back into hyperspace, the same exact feeling one has before taking off. That feeling where you say o god o god o god wtf noooooooooooooooooooooo kablaaaaaaaaaaaaammmm. Is this some type of delay in the breakdown of the chemical? Has anyone else experienced this scary as hell occurrence? Spice flashbacks?
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Harmalas and DMT both seem to be able to recycle themselves for some reason, this has been noted in the past. Being hyperspaced, coming down, things get weird again, then normalish- more common with oral but can occur via vaporization.
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yea you never really know with this stuff!
I remember once coming back from a breakthrough, and then a minute or so later, after some odd thoughts that seemed to trigger something, i was flung back into the presence of a very intense chrysanthemum related to what i was thinking about
yea you never really know with this stuff!
I remember once coming back from a breakthrough, and then a minute or so later, after some odd thoughts that seemed to trigger something, i was flung back into the presence of a very intense chrysanthemum related to what i was thinking about
Thank you everyone for the insight, Although I'm starting to have second thoughts about big doses just for this one reason, I'm lucky i was planted laying down or I could of easily broke something from the fall. Extremely scary stuff.
To me it seems like the intensity of the high is a big wave that has smaller waves in it. It's subtle in DMT but in psilocybin it's much easier to feel the waves of increase as they come and go. I'm no expert so don't take if for fact, but this is how i experience it.
I guess it's related to how the body breaks down stuff and the flow of blood in the body.
And ofc, if you concentrate on something it can get stronger even if you're on the way down. also just my experience.
I guess it's related to how the body breaks down stuff and the flow of blood in the body.
And ofc, if you concentrate on something it can get stronger even if you're on the way down. also just my experience.
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could even be your mind creating it. i used to be on a vacation and want to be high on weed. i could think about being high and squint my eyes like i am stoned and i sware i got high!
plus i heard that when you take a drug, you are not getting high off the drug, but rather a chemical your body produces to counteract the drug. so in a sense your body could just make that drug.
i often get dizzyness, shifting of the room. when i close my eyes i see vivid images moving like a movie. faces poking out from the dark. waves of white from bottom to top. hard to explain, but a blury image from about 5 feet away, then when something or someone comes close it is extreme detail in only the ut-most close. i never had this until doing dmt.
plus i heard that when you take a drug, you are not getting high off the drug, but rather a chemical your body produces to counteract the drug. so in a sense your body could just make that drug.
i often get dizzyness, shifting of the room. when i close my eyes i see vivid images moving like a movie. faces poking out from the dark. waves of white from bottom to top. hard to explain, but a blury image from about 5 feet away, then when something or someone comes close it is extreme detail in only the ut-most close. i never had this until doing dmt.
AluminumFoilRobots
gufyg
I think this is a total misnomer. Psychoactives definitely have intrinsic effects on human brains (usually) via direct linking-in with a receptor that is made to interact with (say, for example) serotonin (serotonergic hallucinogens).
I also have had increased sober CEV's and mild OEV's since begining to work with DMT. I think it is part of the territory. I cannot say whether it is due to some kind of permanent change in my neurochemistry or if it is just my brain "patterning" after the DMT in my normal waking life. People who take DMT often seem to report this.
But, to the OP, I have not had this go down with vaped DMT and I don't know why it would happen for you... it amkes sense metabolically with oral but hm I don't exactly know... were harmalas involved? If so I can see it, but othersise I don't know... Maybe consider it a fluke of personal chemistry? Keep it in mind if you continue to use the stuff, like not doing anything important (like driving) for a few hours after partaking (if you decide to try again!)
no harmalas were involved, so it must be me. Only explanation I can really think of but it has yet to happen again, if it does I will seriously debate whether i can partake in enjoying the molecule before turning into a blob myself.
In My Opinion, and I'm sure many will disagree but I believe it is the "DMT Entities" That control the experience. And therefore you would have nothing to fear from a wrong place wrong time flashback occuring....because they are not out to harm people...Smoking DMT in essence is like falling backwards into the arms of the universe...why would your own creator not catch you..They surely won't let you fall.
Psychedelics are weird.
When in doubt, have an experienced sitter in the room. Even after a whole ton of experience, I'll only take light doses alone. I don't like to enter an extreme hyperspace experience with anxiety about dropping a burning pipe etc. sitters can be distracting but that's better than having to back off from the high dosage experiences entirely.
I've broken bones on shrooms (easily could have been my neck), and take the sitter topic very seriously.
I've broken bones on shrooms (easily could have been my neck), and take the sitter topic very seriously.
Please check this thread, especially this part:
You're the second person I read here having this type of recurrence. What became known from rat experiments much after this thread is that exogenously administered dmt persist in the brain for up to 7 days. I believe that the experience of smoked/injected dmt ceases because it moves from the extracellular space (such as synapses, where it can rapidly elicit its effects on brain circuitry) to intracellularly where it cannot cat in the same way.
It is theoretically possible that in some rare individuals dmt from inside the neurons is externalised (or spat out) thus tit is able to act again on teh synaptic space and initiate a second trip. It would be a great asset to the community if you could detail any relevant medication you may be taking and any other substances you regularly use. As far as I can remember, Strassmans' study did not report such recursion, but in his study teh subjects had to be as "clean" as possible.
In my opinion these recurrent trip events deserve more attention because they cue as to how the smoked/IVed dmt clears so quickly from the brain, ending the experience within max 30min. From what we can suspect the MAOI system cannot be majorly responsible for this and your experience indicates that another mechanism may be in place.
You're the second person I read here having this type of recurrence. What became known from rat experiments much after this thread is that exogenously administered dmt persist in the brain for up to 7 days. I believe that the experience of smoked/injected dmt ceases because it moves from the extracellular space (such as synapses, where it can rapidly elicit its effects on brain circuitry) to intracellularly where it cannot cat in the same way.
It is theoretically possible that in some rare individuals dmt from inside the neurons is externalised (or spat out) thus tit is able to act again on teh synaptic space and initiate a second trip. It would be a great asset to the community if you could detail any relevant medication you may be taking and any other substances you regularly use. As far as I can remember, Strassmans' study did not report such recursion, but in his study teh subjects had to be as "clean" as possible.
In my opinion these recurrent trip events deserve more attention because they cue as to how the smoked/IVed dmt clears so quickly from the brain, ending the experience within max 30min. From what we can suspect the MAOI system cannot be majorly responsible for this and your experience indicates that another mechanism may be in place.
AluminumFoilRobots
gufyg
@infundbium: wow! That is quite interesting... So is this supposed 7 day intracellular remainder specific to DMT, or can we make general assumptions that some or all psychedelic (or otherwise?) drugs have similar pharmacokinetics? Or has noone looked to see?
This would go towards understanding the (not unpleasant ) lingering effects... What I am consider on is this; if the reason for the peak ending so fast when no Maoi i is the uptake into the neuron, why does MAO inhibition slow the process even when smoked? I thought the mechanism was MAO removing the amine and resulting in not DMT... But If the mechanism is an uptake of and sequestering of unmetabolised dmt for up to a week, where does MAO fit into the picture? Or are both happenIng simultaneously?
Sorry if all this was chaotic and impossible to understand!
This would go towards understanding the (not unpleasant ) lingering effects... What I am consider on is this; if the reason for the peak ending so fast when no Maoi i is the uptake into the neuron, why does MAO inhibition slow the process even when smoked? I thought the mechanism was MAO removing the amine and resulting in not DMT... But If the mechanism is an uptake of and sequestering of unmetabolised dmt for up to a week, where does MAO fit into the picture? Or are both happenIng simultaneously?
Sorry if all this was chaotic and impossible to understand!
If our bodies do release DMT at death, then the sense of entering a vaporized DMT experience could release endogenously a dump of Natural of DMT in reaction to the intensity of the trip. Perhaps it could stay in the system longer or seem to "reappear" in the form of a flashback. Also, the spice tends to hit me on a very core level, and sometimes when my thoughts are hitting those same levels, I get a sense that I'm experiencing similar thoughts as when I'm on DMT.
Just some thoughts...
Just some thoughts...
It is not supposed, it has been demonstrated, for dmt at least (see this publication abstract) that it lingers in the brain for at least 7 days. It is hard to extrapolate these results in other psychoactive drugs... For as far as I remember, LSD is rapidly taken in the brain and fully leaves the brain after 2 hours or so (but I may be wrong to that so please do not quote it).AluminumFoilRobots said:
Lingering effects of drugs can be both due to the presence of the drug itself as well as due to triggering more permanent changes in brain chemistry or a combination of both.
It could be both processes i.e. both MAO inhibition and internalisation of DMT that account for the rapid peak end. If you were fully inhibiting MAO (as by ingesting a hefty dose of harmalas or smoking them) then the smoked peak experience would be predicted to be far far longer, which isn't. Smoking dmt with oral or smoked harmalas makes the peak longer but not crazy longer. It definitely makes the post-peak period longer but the effect on the peak duration is not something astonishing.
Any chance you might have just finished sparking up a bowl of fine weed right before your flashback? THC is well known for heightening visuals during the latter half of LSD or shroom trips... And I'm sure you've had at least a few of those roller coaster rushes that an unexpectedly strong bowl of weed can bring on- you know what I'm talking about? Having one of those shortly after vaping DMT might lead to some pretty interesting results...
Electric Kool-Aid
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Guyomech - I know exactly what you are talking about. That is so weird that marijuana heightens LSD when you are coming down. Its a boost for later and will give you a couple of more hours.
Last time I took LSD I was off the stuff, the trip ended. Then I was ready to drive back home, then the people I was with coaxed me in to smoking weed. Well, low and behold it threw me right back in to the trip and driving home I had a spiritual awakening right on the highway!! Cloudy day with no sun in sight. Then the clouds break apart and shafts of light guided me home. So odd. Not to mention it opened my eyes to drugs (or so I thought) and took a year off any drugs or alcohol. Was a good cleansing I guess...
Last time I took LSD I was off the stuff, the trip ended. Then I was ready to drive back home, then the people I was with coaxed me in to smoking weed. Well, low and behold it threw me right back in to the trip and driving home I had a spiritual awakening right on the highway!! Cloudy day with no sun in sight. Then the clouds break apart and shafts of light guided me home. So odd. Not to mention it opened my eyes to drugs (or so I thought) and took a year off any drugs or alcohol. Was a good cleansing I guess...
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