Sexual DMT trips? WHY?

[Cazman043]

Hi guys, i have been experimenting with dmt a fair bit lately, and almost every trip seems to feel sexual. By that i mean the fractals feel sexual, the beings feel sexual, everything looks sexual and i just feel uncomfortable during the experience. I do surrender, i let the experience occur, but i am left questioning my experience asking "why is it sexual?"

An example of this was my changa experience today, i had a cone, and it began with fractals, but then it turned sexual, the fractals began to curl and twist with me, and they felt like they were moulding to me in a very sexual way. These movements then began to morph into several persons/beings, who were also grinding on me and what not, i'm not too sure who it was, but if i began to question the experience they'd get quite angry/offended, i wasn't scared at all, just left asking why is it like this? So i maintained the surrendering to the trip that i had begun with, and then when i started to come out of it, i started to speak out loud demanding all negative energies and thoughts to remove themselves from me. I dunno, it just didn't feel right? It felt like it was a sexual lust, rather than an embracement of compassion, love and beauty.

So pretty much, i wonder why are my dmt trips sexual? Could it be negative energies attempting to make me surrender to sexual desires? Is it me and my own sexual desires? Are these trips negative, as they seem to be very different to other people's experiences and they feel more sexually pleasurable (like lust) rather than love induced.
I am accepting the experience itself, but i'd still like to hear people's opinions, maybe it is my ego and its obsession with sexual pleasure. How can i avoid having a sexually related dmt trip, i read that in Ayahuasca ceremonies the individual shouldn't endeavour in any sexual pleasure for at least a week. Maybe its that?

Anyways, i'd love to hear some opinions, thoughts and whatever you guys have to say. Thanks for reading this, it has left me with a bit of confusion. Namaste

 

[TOXSIN]

You may also not be fully breaking through, the come up/low dose effects of DMT are very physical, only after you fully leave your body behind does the tryptamine rush go away, I'm not saying dose higher, however, after a certain point bodily feelings I find usually tend to go away other then a calm vibration but I don't even feel it in my physical body. As I was saying the low dose effects of DMT can be VERY OVERWHELMING infact sometimes I find higher doses more comfortable than lower doses, simply because once you get lost in the beauty you think less of the physical. On the reverse side, if you go just deep enough to get some fractals but not full breakthrough you can get to a place where its just the body high, and I've had my some very negative feeling trips like this. I've never had a sexual experience per se though so I can't be much help there. Not to make a bad pun but hopefully the entities are done having their way with you. Maybe you accidently blasted yourself to an alien porn film? Anyways, goodluck

 

[Cazman043]

You may also not be fully breaking through, the come up/low dose effects of DMT are very physical, only after you fully leave your body behind does the tryptamine rush go away, I'm not saying dose higher, however, after a certain point bodily feelings I find usually tend to go away other then a calm vibration but I don't even feel it in my physical body. As I was saying the low dose effects of DMT can be VERY OVERWHELMING infact sometimes I find higher doses more comfortable than lower doses, simply because once you get lost in the beauty you think less of the physical. On the reverse side, if you go just deep enough to get some fractals but not full breakthrough you can get to a place where its just the body high, and I've had my some very negative feeling trips like this. I've never had a sexual experience per se though so I can't be much help there. Not to make a bad pun but hopefully the entities are done having their way with you. Maybe you accidently blasted yourself to an alien porn film? Anyways, goodluck

hahahaha, nah that was pretty punny . I like your advice, how you described it seemed very related to me, to a degree. Obviously we all have our own different experiences, but the words you used about the physical sensations, and the negativity of the trip i can relate too. Thanx man, next time i'll go for a Breakthrough, just need to use some FB instead of changa, i think thats half the problem haha. Thank you for the advice, i know i'm ready for a BT, but those words of wisdom made more sense to attempt to go deeper, which i have been doing... it's time.

 

[Jin]

what is the harm , let the entities have sex with you , just use protection :twisted:

on a sidenote , just relax and let the experience play out , every experience is not the same and it might not be sexual next time , and perhaps you're only understanding your own desires ,

also are you having an active sex life , otherwise it could simply be this is what is on your mind right now

 

[Cazman043]

what is the harm , let the entities have sex with you , just use protection :twisted:

on a sidenote , just relax and let the experience play out , every experience is not the same and it might not be sexual next time , and perhaps you're only understanding your own desires ,

also are you having an active sex life , otherwise it could simply be this is what is on your mind right now

Probably a bit too active, although with the one partner. ahha

 

[Jin]

Probably a bit too active, although with the one partner. ahha

perhaps then this is the reason , your thinking about it too much , just let go

it could be your thoughts manifesting in the experience , considering this i am thinking about my previous experience few hours back , i am wondering how much of it was provoked by my thinking process

perhaps this plays a big part in our experiences

 

[hug46]

I dunno, it just didn't feel right? It felt like it was a sexual lust, rather than an embracement of compassion, love and beauty.
So pretty much, i wonder why are my dmt trips sexual? Could it be negative energies attempting to make me surrender to sexual desires? Is it me and my own sexual desires? Are these trips negative, as they seem to be very different to other people's experiences and they feel more sexually pleasurable (like lust) rather than love induced.

I personally cannot make the connection with negative entities and sexual desires. Love, compassion and beauty are all well and good but there is nothing wrong with a bit of good old lust. It helps to procreate our species. So it can"t all be bad. Maybe society"s hypocritical values regarding sex have been ingrained into you and therefore caused you to question the possible positivity of this experience. Which, in turn, made you feel that it was not right. Which in turn had an effect on your entity interaction.

During the summer i had a trip during the day while naked on my settee. I looked at my skin and it was tattoooed with a kind of digital language and there were large blocky tribal tattoos in place of my bones. When i looked down at my groin there was a snake coiling up my stomach from my pubic region. At the time i thought it was my sexual energy manifesting itself, and it felt very empowering.
I could have interpreted it differently and freaked out that there was a snake coming out of my nether regions, or that i was not supposed to be having lustful thoughts about snakes and penises.
Once the effects of the DMT subsided i realised that the snake was a large scar from an operation i had a few years ago and that i may have just been hallucinating. Either way, my translation of the trip was that i was a powerful, sexual human being that needed to go out and have sex as soon as possible (and not just with myself as was normally the case at the time).

I think these trips and experiences seem to feed off of my reactions and then i feed off of them. Whether it be negative or positive or just plain confused. A symbiotic relationship then ensues.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

I have encountered sexual entities many times in Hyperspace. Here is my Hyperspace Lexicon entry for a class of entities I call Flirty Fairies.

These are the most overtly sexual beings I encounter with any regularity, but they are by no means the only ones. It seems that upper dimensional beings have a very different sense of modesty... or I should say that certain types of humans have the odd and rare aspect of prudishness and puritan modesty which is uncommon in the Universe at large. Even on Earth, other animals are not so neurotic and in their heads about sex.

There is a certain sexuality to Hyperspace in general. Many people miss it, but the movements and folding of the spaces and "objects" are all rather sensual... many entities seem to caress your aura and even more sensual things. There is a class of entities I dubbed "Plant & Object Devas" that don't resemble what we might imagine sentient beings to be, but rather appear as hyperdimensional cubes, tesseracts, kollabi-yao shapes, and various plant type costructions. These guys in their undulations, tesselations and folding/unfolding tend to eventually expose what I can only call their sexual organs (more like pistils and stamen) and are perfectly capable of achieving cosmic orgasms which they share with you via the telepathic communication that most entities use.

I mention them in the lexicon as well, but neither entry goes into too much explicit detail. The lexicon is not an encyclopedia as it were...

I would like to tell you that your encounters are solely brought on by your own obsession with sex (sex on the brain, too much porn etc.)... but I know plenty of people who get mobbed by faries even when they are celebate or asexual. I know many heterosexual women who are confronted by strip teasing flirty faries and find the experience unnerving and are not attracted to women at all.

The key to avoiding experiences you don't want in Hyperspace is to be able to navigate and draw to yourself the experiences you do want. The talk about surrender is short sighted. If you are in the middle of an experience that you can't get out of, surrender is certainly better than needless struggle and the attendant negative feelings (which only attract darker entities). BUT... it IS possible to learn to navigate Hyperspace, defend yourself from unwanted encounters, and to NOT simply be "along for the ride." Anyone who wants to be a true psychonaut should develop these skills.

If you go to Disneyland and just allow yourself to be pushed along by the crowds, you may never get to ride the best rides, and you may find yourself mashed up in a corner near a trash can where fat tourists keep throwing trash in your direction. If you wanna ride Space Mountain or descend the Matterhorn, you have to be somewhat proactive. The "go with the flow" advice is often ill advised, especially if one seems to be getting stuck in loops and having negative or unwanted encounters.

Anyway, good luck amigo.

HF

 

[Global_Roaming]

[So sorry about this, but...] I almost always trip completely naked, laying back on my bed, and I usually aim for sub-breakthrough (ie borderline) experiences. Almost every trip has involved a sexual element - usually visuals of cartoonish psychedelic women dancing seductively, or caressing my face in particular - on one occasion I actually found myself with an raging hard-on afterward.

I'm not sure what these mean, but I've kind of experimented a little - there is a woman who I've been thinking a lot about (romantically and sexually, mind you I'm in a long-term committed relationship so I'm thoroughly confused for the first time in my life) and I wondered if these thoughts were manifesting themselves this way. I've tried conjuring imagery of her to little avail during trips, until recently during a changa experience with a higher ratio of harmalas than I'm usually accustomed to. Unlike every other psychedelic experience, I managed to 'direct' the trip to a degree by consciously introducing her into the thought train - it worked with surprising results, but ultimately I came to the conclusion that the normal sexual stuff in my DMT trips was unrelated to my real-life romantic issues (I learned nothing about what I should do, and still can't relate the usual sexual DMT stuff). I suspect that its just our own way of interpreting beautiful things, but really, who knows? And deep down, I kind of prefer that it stays a mystery, despite my real world dilemmas.

In conclusion, I have no idea whether I've added to this discussion or not, but thats my experience anyway.

 

[hug46]

[So sorry about this, but...] I almost always trip completely naked, laying back on my bed,

If you are apologising for always tripping naked, you don"t have to. I think it is very nice, especially in hot weather.
This is an open minded forum and some folk do far weirder stuff than that around here.

I have no idea whether I've added to this discussion or not, but thats my experience anyway.

Yes you have and thankyou very much!

 

[Infectedstyle]

My last dmt trip was basically a show of nude girls dancing through holographic hoola-hoops. I felt rather guilty as well but i was also amazed and could appreciate the aesthetics of the quite stunning visuals of beautiful girls. Quite surreal but the images are so detailed.

I'm not suprised, since my dreams are filled with sexual themes. I used to resist sexual themes in DMT trips for fear of being punished.. I often feel entities stroking my hair and aura in a loving way, and actually it makes me feel a little bit dirty. At odds with what i really feel because it is always a very comforting experience. Clearly my take on it adds to the negative thoughts coming up.

My experiences have often directed my focus to my abdomen area, in which i then feel a liquid substance warming up inside my body. In my first experiences it was made overtly clear that energy is leaving my body through the tubes of my penis, and that is no good.

Perhaps energy is being clogged up in the sexual area and that is why we experience sexual/lust themes.
I am basically conjuring this thing up right now but say, the chakra system is related to our visual hallucinations.

Imagine the chakra system as a ladder system. In which the genuine aim is to climb all the way to the crown chakra.

1. If one's chakra is caught up in the lowest point. I would imagine earthly but also infernal/hellish visuals to show up.

2. The second chakra deals with sexual lust. This is where we are at theoratically. (not so bad, right?)

3. The third chakra has to do with willpower. I imagine more shamanic experiences happen here.

4. Finally, the heart chakra deals with compassion and love. One first needs to get his/her energy level to this level in order to traverse the emotional plane.


A practical way to test this is ofcourse sexual abstinence. I myself am interested in herbs that facillitate sperm production. I don't think complete abstinence is necessary. I think ejaculating in moderation will also do the job. That said, i don't have a sexual partner to exchange fluids so my story might differ in terms of metabolism if sex is only done with a partner.

 

[Redguard]

The experiences I read on this thread highly resonate with my own. Most of them are too personal for me to go into detail with but I will throw an experience out there. One time I smoked some spice lying down on my bed. I didn't notice many visuals at first but this was nothing out of the ordinary. For me getting turned on and smoking spice go hand in hand. All of a sudden a yellow fog started streaming into my room from under the door and out of this fog I saw a beautiful women. I'll never forget that face or what she did to me. Over all this seems like a positive experience.... but these sexual experiences on dmt got extremely dark and twisted over time and eventually I had to resist them. Things have never been quite as they were but then again I rarely smoke anymore.

 

[Cazman043]

Thank you for all your replys, i can relate too all of them. The darkness of the experience, i agree, it can get dark, but i think that DMT is always trying to teach you something... I feel like my own sexual experiences are a result of having sex too much, and as many have said, thinking about it too much, thus my 2nd chakra is effected and so the focus of the DMT trip is put toward that chakra. I feel i simply need to reduce the amount of sex/thought that goes into sex, to have a better experience.

Thank you all for your advice and input, i'm glad i made the post, its good to get advice, as well as have some people let themselves get things off their chests that they feel they can't talk about. The sexual experience is strange, i felt the need to take control over the situation, and did so during the comedown. I also believe that if you continue soaring down the sexual paths of the dmt experience, they can get more negative than positive, but chuck in 1 or 2 every now and then and it wont hurt .

The dmt experience has made me realise that it brings apparent whatever is being abused in your life, or simply, what you lack. Thus you can integrate the experience and improve yourself. I am glad to have had the experience as i am glad to have every psychedelic experience. They are never bad/good trips, just experiences which all have lessons to be learned.

Thank you all, Namaste.

 

[lobo]

I know a shaman how have married with an entity.. and have a son.. The entity show up frecuentry in the ayahuasca world... and one time the entity son appear in this world (long history)...

 

[Global]

I'm not exactly sure why a DMT trip would be sexual other than I do find the concept of chakra energies to be quite real (and inherent in the DMT experience) for me, and so one element of that is sexual energy. On one high DMT experience, I remember a goddess essentially looping into her own vagina as a continuous fractal loop.

 

[thecrystalkid]

maybe look into some aspects of tantric sex; one practise is conservation of the essence, or semen. supposedly, when the base chakra's are empty of essence, the male fixates on the properties of that energy centre; money, reproduction, survival etc..i don't feel that just trying not to think of it will help, as without the base motor energy you apparently get from preserving essence, your consciousness will remain, ime, partly anchored to your gonads. also i believe sex energy is part of universal energy so to tap thet is to tap the other too. you still have sex etc in tantra, of course, but no, or much less, expending of essence- in advanced tai chi one rule of thumb is twice in summer, once in winter. having discussed this with others, it seems you stop ruminating on sex and there is much less objectification. folk think that because they want alot of sex that they have a high sex drive, but in my opinion, its the opposite, in a way. because they have zilch essence they fixate. preserve the seed.

Dr. Strangelove - Precious Bodily Fluids 8)

 

[hug46]

preserve the seed.

Dr. Strangelove - Precious Bodily Fluids 8)

Why do we need to preserve the seed?
I am not sure that the youtube link that you posted actually encourages me to preserve my seed. I think the character in the clip that keeps alluding to his precious bodily fluids is a complete nutter.

In the case of sperm production, (and maybe our spiritual essence could be linked to the accumulation of sperm in our testes), i have found that the more i do the sex thing, the more product i make, at a faster rate. So if more seed ejecting takes place maybe more spiritual energy is made. If we are not supposed to expend our essence, what the hell are supposed to do with it??

Where do women come into this scenario? It would be interesting to get a female take on seed production and its relation to mental, physical and spiritual well being. (apologies if any of the previous posters were female, i usually assume everyone is a man unless otherwise stated. I can"t help it. I am a man and revert to type when reading the experiences of others).

It concerns me that i find a correlation between preserving seeds and religious sexual repression. My opinions are probably coloured by my occasionally dysfunctional upbringing (but no intense religion indoctrination was involved..... thank christ!).

 

[Cazman043]

maybe look into some aspects of tantric sex; one practise is conservation of the essence, or semen. supposedly, when the base chakra's are empty of essence, the male fixates on the properties of that energy centre; money, reproduction, survival etc..i don't feel that just trying not to think of it will help, as without the base motor energy you apparently get from preserving essence, your consciousness will remain, ime, partly anchored to your gonads. also i believe sex energy is part of universal energy so to tap thet is to tap the other too. you still have sex etc in tantra, of course, but no, or much less, expending of essence- in advanced tai chi one rule of thumb is twice in summer, once in winter. having discussed this with others, it seems you stop ruminating on sex and there is much less objectification. folk think that because they want alot of sex that they have a high sex drive, but in my opinion, its the opposite, in a way. because they have zilch essence they fixate. preserve the seed.

Dr. Strangelove - Precious Bodily Fluids 8)

I reckon you're right. Not everyone is effected by this, but in my trip i pretty much felt what you are saying right now. As if i am busting a nut too often and so i am having sexual visuals, but they aren't all pleasant as i am overdoing the sexual activity. My GF and i have spoken about it and decided to cut the sex down to once a week, instead of once a day for a bit, then maybe do it twice a week once i feel i'm completely free of sex addiction (if that be the case) or overthinking about sex. Thanks for that, its funny how people give their advice and it correlates to your dmt experience.

 

[Infectedstyle]

Male orgasm lasts a lot longer and is a much more energizing experience when awaiting approximately a week in between ejaculation in my experience. There's a certain afterglow which probably has to do with hormone regulation that is just magical and feels great in which you would want to just feel the joy in your body for a little while and makes you just want to feel and extend that moment for as long as you can.

I imagine that most women are more in tune with this effect that hormones can have on consciousness. And also the prime cause for that attractive looking glow on the skin and blush that some women have after enjoying coitus or in the some stages of pregnancy.
There's also stories going around of intense cosmic dreams after a good old sex session that are very much Tryptamine-like. But i'm probably starting to idealize sex a little bit here. ^^

 

[Kerberos]

The subject of sexual visions is covered in

"The Psychedelic Experience

A manual based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead

By Timothy Leary, Ph.D., Ralph Metzner, Ph.D., & Richard Alpert, Ph.D."

I recommend reading this small book as there are parts that will ring true with you. I also found reading it again a couple of years after my first journey to be very interesting. This was because i could relate to more of the book than before.


"V. Sexual Visions

Sexual visions are extremely frequent during the Third Bardo. You may see or imagine males and females copulating. [According to Jung. ("Psychological Commentary" to The Tibetan Book of the Dead, Evans-Wentz edition, p. xiii), "Freud's theory is the first attempt made in the West to investigate, as if from below, from the animal sphere of instinct the psychic territory that corresponds in Tantric Lamaism to the Sidpa Bardo." The vision described here, in which the person sees mother and father in sexual intercourse, corresponds to the "primal scene" in psychoanalysis. At this level, then, we begin to see a remarkable convergence of Eastern and Western psychology. Note also the exact correspondence to the psychoanalytic theory of the Oedipus Complex.] This vision may be internal or it may involve the people around you. You may hallucinate multi-person orgies and experience both desire and shame, attraction and disgust. You may wonder what sexual performance is expected of you and have doubts about your ability to perform at this time.
When these visons occur, remember to withhod yourself from action or attachment. Have faith and float gently with the stream. Trust in the unity of life and in your companions.

If you attempt to enter into your old ego because you are attracted or repulsed, if you try to join or excape from the orgy you are hallucinating, you will re-enter on an animal or neurotic level. If you become conscious of "malness," hatred of the father together with jealousy and attraction towards the mother will be experienced; if you become conscious of "femaleness," hatred of the mother together with attraction and fondness for the father is experienced.

It is perhaps needless to say that this kind of self-centered sexuality has little in common with the sexuality of transpersonal experiences. Physical union can be one expression or manifestation of cosmic union.

Visions of sexual union may sometimes be followed by visions of conception - you may actually visualize the sperm uniting with the ovum - , of intra- uterine life and birth through the womb. Some people claim to have re-lived their own physical birth in psychedelic sessions and occasionally confirming evidence for such claims has been put forward. Whether this is so or not may be left as a question to be decided by empirical evidence. Sometimes the birth visions will be clearly symbolic - e.g., emergence from a cocoon, breaking out of a shell, etc.

Whether the birth vision is constructed from memory or fantasy, the psychedelic voyager should try to recognize the signs indicating the type of personality that is being reborn.

The Instructions For Sexual Visions may be read to the voyager who is struggling with sexual hallucinations."

Kerberos