Skatole+other toxic alks in mimosa? Supplier Reliability?

[endlessness]

Ive never read any analysis showing 5-meo presence in MHRB, I seriously doubt it is there, so again there isnt much sense in speculating about it. One of the reasons people use MHRB is exactly because of its relatively clean alkaloidal profile.

 

[Rove]

I found and posted a link to erowid and there is writen that some of MhrB contains 5-meo dmt . look at my previous posts .

 

[endlessness]

Maybe im blind but.. no you didnt. You posted an erowid link and it talks about different types of mimosa, none of which are mimosa hostilis...

If I am missing something and you posted a reliable analysis showing 5-meo-dmt presence in mimosa, would you be kind enough to post it again ?

 

[Rove]

When you buy a Mimosa hostilis from a vendor how can you know what specie you are buying and getting ?
You trust on word of a vendor 100%?

 

[endlessness]

Rove, this is a thread you started, but are you reading other posts?

I deleted your other post because it was an exact (long) copy of a post you had already made and which was irrelevant information given the discussion. Also the questions in your last post were answered before.

Let me quote us again, maybe now it helps..

You posted an erowid link and it talks about different types of mimosa, none of which are mimosa hostilis...

Assuming your supplier knows what they are collecting because they have the requisite knowledge to be a botanical vendor (read: use a reliable vendor), the phenotypical differences between the 400 species make it pretty easy to identify M. Hostilis with repeated accuracy. I would not use a vendor who says, "Purple Bark!!!! It must be MHRB!!" and then turns around and sells it. As you noted, there are more distinctions that exist and can be determined both easily and quickly to distinguish M. Hostilis from its relatives. As to your claims of skatole, that may very well be the case, but where is your proof? I'm not saying it's not there, just that I have not personally come across any material documenting its presence in MHRB. If you have literature documenting its presence, I'd love to see it.

Rove, thats why you need to get from a trustable supplier, and thats why we have a supplier's section. Just as one example, a major seller such as adenium and all its resellers are very trustable (and usually cheap). While theoretically there are several other mimosas in the world, they do not all exist in the same area.

Adenium is located in a part of Brazil that is where mimosa hostilis is originally from, and its the most abundant tree there, valleys full of it. Its ridiculously cheap and the main use for it in those areas is cutting it down for firewood and for using the wood for making fences (so the whole tree gets cut down, what a pity). The rootbark on the other hand can be sustainably harvested without killing the plants, which they are well aware. Thus when it comes from a specific place you know what plant it is, they wouldnt import some more expensive unknown toxic plant when the right one is THE plant they have

However if you get from some random ebay or whatever shop selling 'mimosa', located in a place of which some other species might be abudant, well, who knows? We've seen recently how greedy some sellers can be. Buy from a trustable place and no need to fear

All these plants are botanically significantly different and they do not all live in abundance in all areas.

Also the source says both verrucosa and ophtalmocentra are also called jurema preta. But thats wrong, verrucosa is jurema branca (white) and ophtalmocentra is jurema vermelha or jurema embira (red). Traditional jurema preta is as we know, Mimosa hostilis (or tenuiflora), of which there is no information in that post.

I really would be interested if you have any reliable source showing skatole presence in Mimosa hostilis (or other plants, out of curiosity), so that we may reason chemically about it and find or disprove as a fact if its there, and if it is, what can we do about it

That's exactly what I'm saying. Any reasonably skilled botanist would laugh in your face if you suggested they might mistake these species for each other. And I too am interested in seeing some scientific literature on skatole. I appreciate your concerns Rove, but I'm confused as to where they are coming from/on what grounds they have been formed.

 

[Infundibulum]

Rove man, you sound awfully confused! You either present give specific evidence with links or you don't speculate, no?

Thats true swim failed swim don't have a proof but swim will try to get one .Swim is thinking about trying to detect skatole in MHRB someday and he will post his findings.

Well, is is really not a case of trying to detect skatole in MHRB. People have done analyses and have found nothing like this. don't you think that after so many mass spectrometric analyses of MHRB (that is, whole substance profiling) none has detect it? Also , "trying" to detect" something is an already a flawed approach since this is not how science works; Scientific investigation often has no de facto expectations.

And even if you manage to do it, you still have to make a case about how much is in the end product after the extraction, how much is is REALLY unsafe, etc etc. In my opinion all these (and in the light of our current data) is a bit hopeless. Again, I appreciate the thinking and the motives but I believe that you'll have much better fights to give when you get to the stage of being able to profile phytochemicals.

 

[dg]

this thread just looks like any other "where do i get rb?" thread..
can a mod re-name it/ add something to title?


sorta a funny read, and the basic idea "do rb suppliers actually know what they are selling??" is of interest to me,
but, rb supplier threads are of little interest to me...

 

[gosvami]

http://vet.sagepub.com/content/44/6/928.full

:roll:

 

[Infundibulum]

http://vet.sagepub.com/content/44/6/928.full

:roll:

Nice find!

Even though the animals were not fed with root bark but rather seed pods from mimosa hostilis. And the effect was in the offspring (the goats were pregnant and themselves were healthy in the end). It is like saying that you must be careful consuming potatoes because the potato berries are very poisonous (they really are). And it is like saying that a pregnant woman would consciously consume anything to get high. Pregnant women are generally not like that.