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Smart Drugs: Going from Larry the cable guy to Stephen Hawking
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it has been within 48 hours. Now keep in mind I cant guarantee this is the situation. I dont want to be the boy who cried wolf here. The RUMOR is this is why they pulled it but it could very well be they ran out of piracetam. But it's not out of the realm of possibility that the feds pulled it as piracetam is in a grey area it's not controlled or banned but it is also not FDA approved. It's kind of in limbo which is why you cannot buy it in local stores.
Good point there. I think there is some sort of pressure going around my overseas modafinil supplier dropped their product a few weeks ago. I think the US Govt is trying to put pressure on the smart drug suppliers as there have been many articles published in the last 6 months on the effectiveness of smart drugs and as a result more people are looking it up online and buying it overseas. The good part about piracetam is that the supply I have right now will last me a good year before I run out.
The US Govt is trying hard to reel in online drug purchases both quasi legal and outright illegal but it is so prominent it's a difficult task to perform. Personally I think it's pathetic they commit tax dollars to pressure companies like this when we are in a economic crisis. College professors as well as many other scientists in the academic world have publicly said smart drugs should be available to the public as they have been proven to have fewer side effects than a cup of coffee. I can understand controlling narcotic drugs but smart drugs are non addictive and dont get you high or anything. I guess stupid people are easier to control.
However primaforce also sells piracetam. It's not as popular as 1fast400 but you can get it off several websites so I dont think it's going to dry up completely super fast. There will still be what is in these websites warehouses for awhile as they burn off their stock.
The US Govt is trying hard to reel in online drug purchases both quasi legal and outright illegal but it is so prominent it's a difficult task to perform. Personally I think it's pathetic they commit tax dollars to pressure companies like this when we are in a economic crisis. College professors as well as many other scientists in the academic world have publicly said smart drugs should be available to the public as they have been proven to have fewer side effects than a cup of coffee. I can understand controlling narcotic drugs but smart drugs are non addictive and dont get you high or anything. I guess stupid people are easier to control.
However primaforce also sells piracetam. It's not as popular as 1fast400 but you can get it off several websites so I dont think it's going to dry up completely super fast. There will still be what is in these websites warehouses for awhile as they burn off their stock.
also look into American Nutrition. they sell piracetam, aniracetam, and oxiracetam. *edit* they're out of stock on oxiracetam
man...I can't believe you guys would mix piracetam in your drinks; it's very bitter.
I just cap it in 0's, three of them is about 2010mg.
man...I can't believe you guys would mix piracetam in your drinks; it's very bitter.
I just cap it in 0's, three of them is about 2010mg.
SoCal
Rising Star
does anyone have an online link to get Alpha GPC capsules?
I ordered them from American Nutrition early last week and they sent me an email saying that the order had shipped the next day, but I never received them. I just called to find out whats up and they haven't shipped it because GPC is out of stock and they don't know when they're getting more...
edited: to say that I've alpha GPC online on amazon but most of them say something like "Processing takes an additional 4 to 5 days for orders from this seller." or "ships within 6-10 day". Do you think I can find GPC at a drug store in person?
I ordered them from American Nutrition early last week and they sent me an email saying that the order had shipped the next day, but I never received them. I just called to find out whats up and they haven't shipped it because GPC is out of stock and they don't know when they're getting more...
edited: to say that I've alpha GPC online on amazon but most of them say something like "Processing takes an additional 4 to 5 days for orders from this seller." or "ships within 6-10 day". Do you think I can find GPC at a drug store in person?
did they refund your money? if not, you'll recieve your order eventually
I live in Canada, and it took a good month before I received my order. they're really conducting business at a rate slightly beyond their distribution capabilities, imo.
but they are legit
I live in Canada, and it took a good month before I received my order. they're really conducting business at a rate slightly beyond their distribution capabilities, imo.
but they are legit
socal I went to the vitamin shoppe a chain suppliment outlet and got alpha gpc it was behind the counter so you might have to ask for it. From all the sources of choline I have tried ( mind you I havent tried them all) Aloha is definately the best. If you have such a store in your vicinity it might have it as this is a popular suppliment on it's own.
SoCal
Rising Star
looks like the government is cracking down. My parecetam order was canceled. Here is an excerpt from the email:
"Thank you for your order.
Yesterday (04/02/09), we were informed by our source of supply for 1FAST400 that the majority of 1FAST400 items are no longer to be made available for general distribution and as a result REDTAG-sale is no longer able to supply the 1FAST400 items in your order. This news has come out of the blue but unfortunately affects your order. We apologize for inconvenience but we have been contractually prevented from fulfilling your order. We are disappointed to not be able to complete your order - but since we are unable to complete your order - we want to provide you with further options even though we will lose your custom."
"Thank you for your order.
Yesterday (04/02/09), we were informed by our source of supply for 1FAST400 that the majority of 1FAST400 items are no longer to be made available for general distribution and as a result REDTAG-sale is no longer able to supply the 1FAST400 items in your order. This news has come out of the blue but unfortunately affects your order. We apologize for inconvenience but we have been contractually prevented from fulfilling your order. We are disappointed to not be able to complete your order - but since we are unable to complete your order - we want to provide you with further options even though we will lose your custom."
wow
wtf is going on?
piracetam is old-school, 35 years old to be exact, and it's well established as one of the least toxic drugs known.
I'm thinking some embargoes are being put in place with chinese suppliers
wtf is going on?
piracetam is old-school, 35 years old to be exact, and it's well established as one of the least toxic drugs known.
I'm thinking some embargoes are being put in place with chinese suppliers
SWIMs piracetam order was also cancelled.
SWIM has a report:
Hydergina aka Ergoloid mesylates
SWIM took 1/4 of a 5mg pill (1.25 mg) for several days.
Day one: took 1/4 pill at night. Felt a little different but no real significant effects were noted.
Day 2: Took 1/4 pill once in morning and 1/4 once again at night. Definitely noticed some effects this day. Not sure that mental capacity was enhanced but definitely felt good. Was in a good mood and a bit more relaxed than usual and the placebo of enhanced mental ability may have made me extra confident. One adverse effect SWIM noticed was when walking up long stairs she felt pressure in the head. This caused SWIM to have to stop and rest for a minute for fear of harming her self. This worried SWIM somewhat SWIM does typically go up the stairs somewhat fast.
Day 3: 1/4 pill in morning 1/4 pill at night. Again same effects as day two. Mood enhancement and possible minimal mental enhancement was noted. Again the adverse effect was a little strange, but there was definitely a mild alteration in mental activity. While going to sleep SWIM noted a strange feeling this may have been placebo knowing he was taking an ergot (SWIM has had a bad effect on LSD as a teenager), this also made SWIM somewhat uneasy.
It has been over a week since SWIM has stopped and She feels completely normal now. Thus there were no long term alterations noticed.
The adverse effect caused SWIM to discontinue the daily dosing. This substance is said to take time to notice its effects. Studies have reported positive enhancements of mental effects from this drug however admittedly SWIM has NOT read over these studies just looked over the abstracts. SWIM would like to try this preparation in combination with other psychoactive substances. SWIM started with low doses as this is always recommended. There were definitely effects however nothing overly impressive. Some mood enhancement but SWIM is happy as is and does not require it, however this substance may have some therapeutic utility for depression especially in combination. It would be interesting to see what the longer term effects may be but SWIM was not keen on the side effects.
SWIM has also obtained Sermion (Nicergolinum) another ergot derived nootropic. She has yet to take this however will very soon. This one sounds more interesting based on the minimal amount of reading SWIM has performed on the subject. It acts via a different mechanism than Hydergina.
These compounds should be interesting in combo with other nootropics as well as other psychoactive substances. Anyone attempting such experiments should do research into the effects of both compounds (including adverse effects and known risks) and take very low doses of each initial and slowly enhance the dose. Being safe and cautious is smart.
SWIM has a report:
Hydergina aka Ergoloid mesylates
SWIM took 1/4 of a 5mg pill (1.25 mg) for several days.
Day one: took 1/4 pill at night. Felt a little different but no real significant effects were noted.
Day 2: Took 1/4 pill once in morning and 1/4 once again at night. Definitely noticed some effects this day. Not sure that mental capacity was enhanced but definitely felt good. Was in a good mood and a bit more relaxed than usual and the placebo of enhanced mental ability may have made me extra confident. One adverse effect SWIM noticed was when walking up long stairs she felt pressure in the head. This caused SWIM to have to stop and rest for a minute for fear of harming her self. This worried SWIM somewhat SWIM does typically go up the stairs somewhat fast.
Day 3: 1/4 pill in morning 1/4 pill at night. Again same effects as day two. Mood enhancement and possible minimal mental enhancement was noted. Again the adverse effect was a little strange, but there was definitely a mild alteration in mental activity. While going to sleep SWIM noted a strange feeling this may have been placebo knowing he was taking an ergot (SWIM has had a bad effect on LSD as a teenager), this also made SWIM somewhat uneasy.
It has been over a week since SWIM has stopped and She feels completely normal now. Thus there were no long term alterations noticed.
The adverse effect caused SWIM to discontinue the daily dosing. This substance is said to take time to notice its effects. Studies have reported positive enhancements of mental effects from this drug however admittedly SWIM has NOT read over these studies just looked over the abstracts. SWIM would like to try this preparation in combination with other psychoactive substances. SWIM started with low doses as this is always recommended. There were definitely effects however nothing overly impressive. Some mood enhancement but SWIM is happy as is and does not require it, however this substance may have some therapeutic utility for depression especially in combination. It would be interesting to see what the longer term effects may be but SWIM was not keen on the side effects.
SWIM has also obtained Sermion (Nicergolinum) another ergot derived nootropic. She has yet to take this however will very soon. This one sounds more interesting based on the minimal amount of reading SWIM has performed on the subject. It acts via a different mechanism than Hydergina.
These compounds should be interesting in combo with other nootropics as well as other psychoactive substances. Anyone attempting such experiments should do research into the effects of both compounds (including adverse effects and known risks) and take very low doses of each initial and slowly enhance the dose. Being safe and cautious is smart.
After somwe time witrh Lecithin, I've noticed no change in piracetams effects, unfortunatly.
Final Results:
Modafinil is a excellent nootropic but it should not be taken everyday. I can definately tell a tolerance to the drug after taking it for 5 consecutive days. I have had excellent success taking it 2-3 days a week. If you take it 2 days in a row you will need to take a 2 day break. If you decide to take it 3 times a week you need to take it every other day.
The bad news. Modafinil works exceptionally well if you need to concentrate on one thing. If you need to multitask you will have issues as your focus will cause you to forget the other tasks. I had some big issues with this. I would get so drawn into my current work I would forget I had something in the oven cooking. One of the best effects of modafinil I have found is it's ability to give you the discipline to undergo very intense work outs. It also causes you to not really crave food as much as you arent focusing on the fact that your hungry. I think it's the best dang weight loss drug I have ever heard of and if you wanting to get into shape this drug will most likely be the holy grail you are looking for. I lost 12 lbs. At 37 that's something not easily done in 45 days. I have basically lost almost all of my bodyfat.
Piracetam. This was a very hard drug to tie down. I finally come to the realization that one single dosage early in the day is the way to go. The loss of energy later in the day was a result of the second booster dosage. Every premutation other than just once a day resulted in a period where I would become very tired. I am currently taking 1200 mg piracetam and 600 mg of alpha gpc each day. It works especially well with a b vitamin I use those 5 hour energy drinks.
Piracteam stacked with the alpha works well however for best results I have found that taking it once a week makes it's effect much more profound. If you take it everyday It will work and there seems to be no tolerance but it will not be as stong. This would make you think there was a tolerance at work here but as most tolerances go this stack will not diminish over time it just wont be as strong as if you took them with a large time gap between.
Conclusion
Piracetam is the winner as far as effects. Yes it beats out prescription modafinil IMHO. There is no ill effects as far as focus and ability to do daily tasks with priacetam. The only issue is getting down the dosages you need to get the effect you want. I have tried almost every choline on the shelf so far and I have to say nothing comes even remotely close to alpha gpc. I dont know why but it works effectively and you need a much smaller dose of it to get the effect which offests the price in the long run. The best aspect of piracetam is it's mood elevating effect which makes you want to do things if it's studying or just going out and being active it'll get you off the couch. It's a universal drug meaning you can use it any day and not have a issue with it which makes it more useful to me than modafinil. Modafinil is a drug used in specific situations. Got a midterm to study for? Trying to get into shape? Got allot of work to do on a specific task? Then modafinil is a perfect choice. It's great if you need to get one thing focused on and drown out all other distractions. The benefit/issue here is that it allows you to focus on one thing and drown out all the other distractions, even the distractions you want like picking up the kids and running errands. You can easily loose track of time on modafinil.
To this day I have yet to get the super powered effects from piracteam that I got on the first 2 days. I have come close I would assume if all work well I get 80%. I cant count on this even with the same dosage I can easily get 50-60% instead. It seems to me there is something missing in our understanding of this drug. Some days it works great others it just works good. Taking a break from it for prolonged periods will make it work better taking it everyday will not build up a steady stream in my experiements. But still regardless even when I took a 10 day break from it I did not get the original effects. Still when piracetam works at 50% of it's maximum benefit ( compared to my original experience) it is more than worth the price. It's my little happy pill and as a result I feel more inclined to be active in life and not sit around on the computer or watching television.
If I could figure out how to get the original effects from piracetam that I had on the first 2 days of taking it I would be a lifelong user willing to shoot anyones ass that even mentioned taking it from me. It in it's best is a super drug the likes of which I could not even imagine. Unfortunately I have had to settle for a diminished result which is still a very good result but as a perfectionist I want the absolute best result I can get and I have yet to figure out how to get that. More real scientific research needs to be put into this drug as I think at least for a small percentage of the human race it would be absolutely life changing.
I do plan on trying the other racetams in the near future. Unfortunately I am busier than I have been in 10 years which I accredit to the modafinil and the priacetam getting me back on track with my life. i am currently more active and in better shape than I have been since I was 20 years old.
Modafinil is a excellent nootropic but it should not be taken everyday. I can definately tell a tolerance to the drug after taking it for 5 consecutive days. I have had excellent success taking it 2-3 days a week. If you take it 2 days in a row you will need to take a 2 day break. If you decide to take it 3 times a week you need to take it every other day.
The bad news. Modafinil works exceptionally well if you need to concentrate on one thing. If you need to multitask you will have issues as your focus will cause you to forget the other tasks. I had some big issues with this. I would get so drawn into my current work I would forget I had something in the oven cooking. One of the best effects of modafinil I have found is it's ability to give you the discipline to undergo very intense work outs. It also causes you to not really crave food as much as you arent focusing on the fact that your hungry. I think it's the best dang weight loss drug I have ever heard of and if you wanting to get into shape this drug will most likely be the holy grail you are looking for. I lost 12 lbs. At 37 that's something not easily done in 45 days. I have basically lost almost all of my bodyfat.
Piracetam. This was a very hard drug to tie down. I finally come to the realization that one single dosage early in the day is the way to go. The loss of energy later in the day was a result of the second booster dosage. Every premutation other than just once a day resulted in a period where I would become very tired. I am currently taking 1200 mg piracetam and 600 mg of alpha gpc each day. It works especially well with a b vitamin I use those 5 hour energy drinks.
Piracteam stacked with the alpha works well however for best results I have found that taking it once a week makes it's effect much more profound. If you take it everyday It will work and there seems to be no tolerance but it will not be as stong. This would make you think there was a tolerance at work here but as most tolerances go this stack will not diminish over time it just wont be as strong as if you took them with a large time gap between.
Conclusion
Piracetam is the winner as far as effects. Yes it beats out prescription modafinil IMHO. There is no ill effects as far as focus and ability to do daily tasks with priacetam. The only issue is getting down the dosages you need to get the effect you want. I have tried almost every choline on the shelf so far and I have to say nothing comes even remotely close to alpha gpc. I dont know why but it works effectively and you need a much smaller dose of it to get the effect which offests the price in the long run. The best aspect of piracetam is it's mood elevating effect which makes you want to do things if it's studying or just going out and being active it'll get you off the couch. It's a universal drug meaning you can use it any day and not have a issue with it which makes it more useful to me than modafinil. Modafinil is a drug used in specific situations. Got a midterm to study for? Trying to get into shape? Got allot of work to do on a specific task? Then modafinil is a perfect choice. It's great if you need to get one thing focused on and drown out all other distractions. The benefit/issue here is that it allows you to focus on one thing and drown out all the other distractions, even the distractions you want like picking up the kids and running errands. You can easily loose track of time on modafinil.
To this day I have yet to get the super powered effects from piracteam that I got on the first 2 days. I have come close I would assume if all work well I get 80%. I cant count on this even with the same dosage I can easily get 50-60% instead. It seems to me there is something missing in our understanding of this drug. Some days it works great others it just works good. Taking a break from it for prolonged periods will make it work better taking it everyday will not build up a steady stream in my experiements. But still regardless even when I took a 10 day break from it I did not get the original effects. Still when piracetam works at 50% of it's maximum benefit ( compared to my original experience) it is more than worth the price. It's my little happy pill and as a result I feel more inclined to be active in life and not sit around on the computer or watching television.
If I could figure out how to get the original effects from piracetam that I had on the first 2 days of taking it I would be a lifelong user willing to shoot anyones ass that even mentioned taking it from me. It in it's best is a super drug the likes of which I could not even imagine. Unfortunately I have had to settle for a diminished result which is still a very good result but as a perfectionist I want the absolute best result I can get and I have yet to figure out how to get that. More real scientific research needs to be put into this drug as I think at least for a small percentage of the human race it would be absolutely life changing.
I do plan on trying the other racetams in the near future. Unfortunately I am busier than I have been in 10 years which I accredit to the modafinil and the priacetam getting me back on track with my life. i am currently more active and in better shape than I have been since I was 20 years old.
Phantastica
Rising Star
bump~
just recently ordered some Piracetam and choline bitartrate..today's the 3rd day of regimen for me.
vovin, in this thread you said:
1. Can you elaborate in what ways you think Piracetam screwed you up? What physical/mental effects did this depletion caused by Piracetam have on your body? Were these effects reversible? If so, then how long did it take?
2. After how long did you start feeling that piracetam is having negative/depleting effects on your body?
3. were you combining the piracetam with other noots in your regimen when u were taking it in 2009, such as B-complex vitamins, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Fish oils, and/or other brain enhancing herbs (Gingko, Gotu Kola, Bacopa, Ashwagandha, etc)?? If not, then maybe the addition of these other noots would have prevented the depleting effects that piracetam had on your body..? Perhaps this is why some people continue to use piracetam even after years of use, due to replenishing their systems with these additional supplements (besides their unique metabolism ofcourse).
4. How long did you follow the regimen, and do you still continue the use of piracetam?
5. What are your current views on Piracetam? Do you still hold the same beliefs about Piracetam as in the above post?
sorry for bombarding you with questions, but i think this will be helpful information for everyone here. Thanks a lot brotha! your time and help are very much appreciated:d
peace and love
just recently ordered some Piracetam and choline bitartrate..today's the 3rd day of regimen for me.
vovin, in this thread you said:
vovin said:
1. Can you elaborate in what ways you think Piracetam screwed you up? What physical/mental effects did this depletion caused by Piracetam have on your body? Were these effects reversible? If so, then how long did it take?
2. After how long did you start feeling that piracetam is having negative/depleting effects on your body?
3. were you combining the piracetam with other noots in your regimen when u were taking it in 2009, such as B-complex vitamins, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Fish oils, and/or other brain enhancing herbs (Gingko, Gotu Kola, Bacopa, Ashwagandha, etc)?? If not, then maybe the addition of these other noots would have prevented the depleting effects that piracetam had on your body..? Perhaps this is why some people continue to use piracetam even after years of use, due to replenishing their systems with these additional supplements (besides their unique metabolism ofcourse).
4. How long did you follow the regimen, and do you still continue the use of piracetam?
5. What are your current views on Piracetam? Do you still hold the same beliefs about Piracetam as in the above post?
sorry for bombarding you with questions, but i think this will be helpful information for everyone here. Thanks a lot brotha! your time and help are very much appreciated:d
peace and love