gibran2 said:
Dioxippus said:
I definitely notice a difference, not just in potency. Not everything can be pulled during the extraction process, so there is something always left behind. The other salvinorins obviously add to the experience in some manner, otherwise plain leaf wouldn't have that different, more meditative 'spiritual' feel as opposed to extract.
People will argue on this, but I've always found plain leaf to be more healing, more calming. Extracts are still fun, but like r0m has said, they can feel a bit more 'brutal' and 'cold'. So obviously I'm in the plain leaf camp
I really think the rate of consumption has more to do with it than you realize.
I know this is true with DMT – a dose leisurely inhaled in 3 slow inhalations will produce an experience markedly different from one where the dose is taken in a single rapid inhalation.
Also, acetone is a very broad-spectrum solvent, and I bet it pulls just about everything in salvia (including fats, chlorophyll, and other things you don’t want).
You could be right. And I knew someone would argue
But that's a good thing.
Does acetone, I'm talking the chilled acetone pulls that are very quick (a la Sphere), pull all the salvinorins? I know if left for any length of time, even ten minutes, it can pull all kinds of fats, chlorophyll, and other nasty crap. But I was under the impression that it was mostly the salvinorin A that was being pulled with the fast chilled acetone pulls. I guess if one salvinorin can be pulled that rapidly, so can the others.
I do sometimes smoke my plain leaf leisurely, slowly. But at this point I only need one inhalation most often to get me to very pronounced sub-breakthrough effects. I took a hit from a left over bowl of Calea 10x and Salvia leaf, just one half burnt little hit, and I thought I was going to breakthrough. It could be that I smoke it pretty much everyday, and that I do take the hits very fast. If I take more than one hit, I'll barely be able to get in the second hit before the ride starts. It just feels different from the extracts though. Of course it's not as strong (I like fractal's analogy of being hit with a bat) but it does have a qualitative difference that's hard to describe. It could just be me, I'm willing to accept that as well. Perhaps my view of plain leaf is a colored view in that I see it as untouched, as nature intended, not 'enhanced' in any way.
fractal enchantment said:
I guess I never lost my sensitivity from all the time I spent smoking it daily.
I believe that we never truly lose the sensitivity once we go that far with Salvia. Like riding a bike, you can jump right back in and be sort of surprised that it's exactly how you remembered
Tripping on Salvia being a skill once learned, can never be forgotten.
fractal enchantment said:
Smoking the plain leaf is comparable in intensity to smoking DMT for me, though totally different. Powerful plant.
I had the same feeling the first time I smoked changa. It really reminded me of plain leaf Salvia in terms of intensity. My first batch didn't contain any Salvia of course. I also think that smoking Salvia so often and for so long has probably made me more sensitive to changa/DMT. I'm still a bit scared to smoke a full dose of freebase actually
My recent pharma experience was absolutely out of this world.
