Thanks for the input! He and I are very comfortable one on one, so in hindsight it was silly to consider leaving him on his own. In fact, I'll probably end up joining him after giving him a couple of minutes to make sure he's handling it all OK. He's smoked cannabis out of my GVG with me before, so he's fairly well versed on how to vape, at least I hope so, my initial batch is starting to look a bit wimpy.
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Oneiros said:
yes i have a strong suggestion give him a small dose at first (10-15mg) just enough to get a body buzz and maby a few seconds of visuals because not everyone can handle a full blown dmt experience
after that ask him if he would like to try a bigger hit do not suggest that he try a bigger hit "ASK"
if so move up to around 25mg then ask him again
also stay by his side the whole time because if he dont expect how fast it can come on it may freak him out
do not have bright lights on but dont have all lights off either
cave paintings
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I'd say a good 75% of my experiences have been with a close group of friends. Some of these friends have been with me since step 1 (first time with marijuana, mushrooms, lsd etc), so explorations of all these compounds were done with each other. All of us feel perfectly comfortable with each other and know the ropes in terms of keeping silence, among other things. It's nice knowing you have someone to help you back from eternity loopholes aswell.
Often a friend and I would go back-to-back - literally. We sit cross legged, back to back, with each others weight holding each of us up (doesn't work so well if you're small and your partner is large).
Seeing other people's 'auras'/spirits or whatever you want to call it is beautiful/insane aswell. You don't really know someone til you've tripped with them hahah.
I have also had many experiences alone, and for many of my latest experiences I did venture alone. I definitely understand the value of these experiences; proper time to reflect, silence, no concern as to other people's 'status'.
But where I would be without my solid group of fellow hardened psychonauts to venture with, I know not.
Also, having others is good for remembering your experience, as you can speak about it to someone before it fades.
Often a friend and I would go back-to-back - literally. We sit cross legged, back to back, with each others weight holding each of us up (doesn't work so well if you're small and your partner is large).
Seeing other people's 'auras'/spirits or whatever you want to call it is beautiful/insane aswell. You don't really know someone til you've tripped with them hahah.
I have also had many experiences alone, and for many of my latest experiences I did venture alone. I definitely understand the value of these experiences; proper time to reflect, silence, no concern as to other people's 'status'.
But where I would be without my solid group of fellow hardened psychonauts to venture with, I know not.
Also, having others is good for remembering your experience, as you can speak about it to someone before it fades.
Caravel said:
Hell, I haven't gone over 30mg myself, I haven't needed to! Taking in that much in with one good vape off the GVG has consistently provided me with a breakthrough. Good suggestions though, thanks!
Definitely a bonus. When solo tripping and arriving back from hyperspace, I feel torn sometimes between just quietly reflecting on the experience or getting on my computer to record it in my trip logs so I don't forget specific details.cave paintings said:
i have been wondering about this very topic, myself. a little while ago i talked to my friend about blasting off together. i think it could be interesting. we tried it just 2 times i think, the first of which mysteriously didn't work. the second time we blasted off together was the trip i described in my introduction essay, which was extremely intense for me. i lost track of my friend during this trip so we weren't really experiencing anything together. i have been wanting to explore the possibilities of telepathy or mental power with friends and DMT. i don't think anyone else is really with me on these ideas, and i only know a couple people who are into DMT anyway.
i prefer to blast off by myself, though. really, i don't want anyone to see me when i am in that state and i'd rather have some time to myself. although i still would like to try DMT with friends, flying solo seems to be the best way to go.
i prefer to blast off by myself, though. really, i don't want anyone to see me when i am in that state and i'd rather have some time to myself. although i still would like to try DMT with friends, flying solo seems to be the best way to go.
I have blasted off woth others a few times now, also. I find that the experience is so personal that groups don't really change much. There have been 2 times, however, that myself and my friend have ended up in the same "place" or meeting the same or similar entities.
I use a Volcano Vaporiser and one bag full can easily blast 4 people off almost simultaneously. By the time the first person has held their first hit for 20 or so seconds, the bag has moved around the circle. We usually return at the same time. (Though some will take smaller hits than others)
One experience I had, a girl that was with us lost it. She was all.. "I'm not ready!" and even ran to the bathroom and threw up. This was terribly distracting for the rest of us. i found myself having to pull out of hyperspace to try and console her. It wasn't her first time, but she hadn't gone that deep yet. Other times have been very synchronistic.
The most interesting thing about the Volcano seems to be that a small amount is needed regardless of how many people are involved. (60mg between 4 was more than enough)
I have, in conclusion, found my experiences to be more fulfilling alone than in groups, but it can offer some interesting insights.
I use a Volcano Vaporiser and one bag full can easily blast 4 people off almost simultaneously. By the time the first person has held their first hit for 20 or so seconds, the bag has moved around the circle. We usually return at the same time. (Though some will take smaller hits than others)
One experience I had, a girl that was with us lost it. She was all.. "I'm not ready!" and even ran to the bathroom and threw up. This was terribly distracting for the rest of us. i found myself having to pull out of hyperspace to try and console her. It wasn't her first time, but she hadn't gone that deep yet. Other times have been very synchronistic.
The most interesting thing about the Volcano seems to be that a small amount is needed regardless of how many people are involved. (60mg between 4 was more than enough)
I have, in conclusion, found my experiences to be more fulfilling alone than in groups, but it can offer some interesting insights.
I don't have many friends who are legitimately interested in psychedelics, so I'm pretty used to tripping alone. I love sharing my spice with any of my friends who express an interest--but I'm generally wary because of their lack of experience and intention.
One of my favorite parts about smoking with others is seeing their face light up after they've come down. No words are ever needed, but it's great to sit around and talk about what we each experienced. One of the most rewarding sessions I've facilitated was with one of my friend's girlfriends--we had multiple back to back sessions, and when she came down during the final one she was ecstatic and crying; apparently she had made contact with her first entity, the feminine dancing Goddess that seems to be a popular theme. I've actually been meaning to write a report of this experience for you guys, maybe I'll hop on that now.
I tend not to let myself go quite as deep when I'm smoking with others (with the exception of one friend who's fairly familiar with the realms of spice) because I'm generally looked to as the guide of the experience. I have to help people to make sure they're hitting it properly/holding it long enough, and make sure I can comfort them and talk them through the experience if they wish.
One of the last times I shared it with a buddy of mine who I generally don't trip with precisely for the aforementioned reasons (lack of both experience and intent). It was me, him, and my roommate/best friend who I feel very comfortable smoking spice with. Long story short, we're on our second changa session and each of us is pretty deep into the experience when my buddy sits bolt upright, takes off his shirt, and just stares at me, sweating and super restless. He attempts to ask for the puke bucket (I had assumed this might happen, so I prepared), but he can't really talk at all. Literally as he's starting to hurl I push the bucket across the floor with my foot just in time to catch it at all. After that I sat back down and my roommate and I were able to help him ride it out.
Needless to say my buddy definitely learned to respect DMT much more after that :roll: We actually all had a good laugh afterwards. It was a great bonding experience and I thought sliding the bucket across the floor with my foot was pretty damn cool 8) But after having to rip myself out of hyperspace and deal with that in the condition I was, I'm much more wary of sharing it so freely.
One of my favorite parts about smoking with others is seeing their face light up after they've come down. No words are ever needed, but it's great to sit around and talk about what we each experienced. One of the most rewarding sessions I've facilitated was with one of my friend's girlfriends--we had multiple back to back sessions, and when she came down during the final one she was ecstatic and crying; apparently she had made contact with her first entity, the feminine dancing Goddess that seems to be a popular theme. I've actually been meaning to write a report of this experience for you guys, maybe I'll hop on that now.
I tend not to let myself go quite as deep when I'm smoking with others (with the exception of one friend who's fairly familiar with the realms of spice) because I'm generally looked to as the guide of the experience. I have to help people to make sure they're hitting it properly/holding it long enough, and make sure I can comfort them and talk them through the experience if they wish.
One of the last times I shared it with a buddy of mine who I generally don't trip with precisely for the aforementioned reasons (lack of both experience and intent). It was me, him, and my roommate/best friend who I feel very comfortable smoking spice with. Long story short, we're on our second changa session and each of us is pretty deep into the experience when my buddy sits bolt upright, takes off his shirt, and just stares at me, sweating and super restless. He attempts to ask for the puke bucket (I had assumed this might happen, so I prepared), but he can't really talk at all. Literally as he's starting to hurl I push the bucket across the floor with my foot just in time to catch it at all. After that I sat back down and my roommate and I were able to help him ride it out.
Needless to say my buddy definitely learned to respect DMT much more after that :roll: We actually all had a good laugh afterwards. It was a great bonding experience and I thought sliding the bucket across the floor with my foot was pretty damn cool 8) But after having to rip myself out of hyperspace and deal with that in the condition I was, I'm much more wary of sharing it so freely.
Scarecrow_
Rising Star
A bro and I went halves on a gram of spice the one time we managed to get a hold of it. Neither of us were experienced, so we were trying out different methods and learning how to do it best together. The majority of what we had was used "testing the waters"; basically trying to understand what we were getting ourselves into a bit before we really went for it.
In the end, we both only got one proper experience, but we sat next to each other and took turns; one of us blasting off, while the other sits for them (and chooses appropriate music!). The only thing I regret is having had some other friends on the other side of the garage playing smash bros (albeit quietly - they weren't talking, just playing).
I went first, and had a fantastic experience. My friend played a song I had never heard before, which definitely added to the experience. The sound of smash attacks on the way up and down was a little distracting, but I didn't let it get to me.
My friend didn't have such a great trip unfortunately. Unlike me, he had never had a full blown out-of-reality experience before (i had done so once before on mushrooms, and a totally freaked out that time. i was not caught off guard so much when this happened on DMT), and in his words he "went to a bad place". He handled it very well though.
I would have loved to blast off with him at the same time, but it wasn't possible for us with only one bong. Maybe next time. We'll know better what we're doing next time also.
In the end, we both only got one proper experience, but we sat next to each other and took turns; one of us blasting off, while the other sits for them (and chooses appropriate music!). The only thing I regret is having had some other friends on the other side of the garage playing smash bros (albeit quietly - they weren't talking, just playing).
I went first, and had a fantastic experience. My friend played a song I had never heard before, which definitely added to the experience. The sound of smash attacks on the way up and down was a little distracting, but I didn't let it get to me.
My friend didn't have such a great trip unfortunately. Unlike me, he had never had a full blown out-of-reality experience before (i had done so once before on mushrooms, and a totally freaked out that time. i was not caught off guard so much when this happened on DMT), and in his words he "went to a bad place". He handled it very well though.
I would have loved to blast off with him at the same time, but it wasn't possible for us with only one bong. Maybe next time. We'll know better what we're doing next time also.
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