Smoking Problem - Doing it wrong?

[TheUntamedSky]

So, after getting the DMT out and drying it, it looks like yellow sand, sort of. My friend and I decided to try and take some. Him first, than me. I think we did something wrong.

First, we put some in a glass tube, no ends. We hit the tube with a lighter, and it melted, than turned to vapor. We breathed it deep into our lungs, held for 10 seconds, than released. Repeated till the 100 mg was gone. Nothing happened. There was a black residue left behind.

Seeing as the tube was hard to keep it in, we than tried a test tube. We put 100 mg on the bottom, a stopper on top, heated it to a vapor, than I breathed it in, held for 10 seconds, released. Did it till it was gone, but still nothing. Again, black residue in the bottom of the test tube. Tried it again with no stopper in the process.

What are we doing wrong?

 

[ymer]

Describe your extraction method.

 

[TheUntamedSky]

1. 1,500 ml distilled water was added to the flask
2. 150 g of pure Lye was added to the flask, and mixed till completely dissolved.
3. 100 g Hawaiian Acacia root bark was added to the flask.
4. Put a stopper on the flask, and tilted back and forth for 5 minutes to fully mix.
5. Waited 2 hours
6. Added 400 ml of Naptha VM&P to flask.
7. Put a stopper on the flask, and tilted back and forth for 5 minutes to fully mix.
8. Waited till it separated, than decanted the light yellow Naptha layer into a mason jar.
9. Evaporated down to 1/4, added another decant of Naptha, evaporated again to 1/4
10. Put it in the freezer for a day, at -30C
11. Took it out, and evaporated the rest.
12. Scraped the white clumps from the side (first smoke of 0.1g), and chopped them up.
13. Scraped the hardened yellow stuff up, and chopped it up to sand like consistency.
14. After thorough drying, tried to smoke it. Used a lab scale for precise measurements.

 

[3rdIopen]

maybe your not smoking enough of it fast enough, look up something called "The Machine" supper easy to make pretty cheep also, the drill bit is a bit expensive tho, or you could pick up a meth pipe form a pipe shop for like $15. Also Acacia you should be doing a A/B not STB, so i've been tolled. Cool that it worked for you, i might end up trying a STB next time i get a Kilo with a 100g just to mess with and see how it is. I just think you need to get as much smoke as posable in the shortest amount of time while still holding it in though.

 

[3rdIopen]

maybe your not smoking enough of it fast enough, look up something called "The Machine" supper easy to make pretty cheep also, the drill bit is a bit expensive tho, or you could pick up a meth pipe form a pipe shop for like $15. Also Acacia you should be doing a A/B not STB, thats just what people say because theres a lot of fat and other alkaloids in Acacia. Cool that it worked for you, SWIM might end up trying a STB next time i get a Kilo with a 100g just to mess with and see how it is. SWIM just think's you need to get as much smoke as posable in the shortest amount of time while still holding it in though.

 

[TheUntamedSky]

Yeah, we were trying to get as much as possible, but it just wasn't turning into vape fast enough I think. Does the machine do that quickly? I sent him out to get a shooter to make one, just 10 minutes ago.

Also, any specific drill bit?

 

[3rdIopen]

shooter? a glass drill bit! if its not that the glass will crack on you.

 

[TheUntamedSky]

Yes, a shooter. As in, those little shots you can buy in mini bottles, for sampling alcohol.

Sounds good. So, does the machine make vape quickly? Also, is it ok for the DMT to be in crystal form for the machine?

 

[CatchThirtyThr33]

10 seconds isn't very long to hold it in. My rule of thumb is to hold it in till you feel like you're gonna explode :lol: and it's best to do this 2-3 times. One hit through a little glass pipe/tube probably won't get you there.

For next time, if you can, try smoking it through a bong. Much more efficient.
Simply sandwich it between a layer of herbs (cannabis works, but for me it tends to cloud the experience. I'd recommend mullein) and very carefully cherry the bowl and breathe deep. Make sure you don't torch the bowl too much, as it is easy to burn and destroy your spice.

good luck

 

[TheUntamedSky]

We kept taking it in till it was gone. I would guess, 4 times for 0.1g.

We will try it a different way next time. How fast must all of it be inhaled?

 

[3rdIopen]

The Machine works great for SWIM, he uses a old hot sauce bottle. crystals are fine just have to melt them down a little bit inside the mettle a bit. and make sure you not using copper and i would wash the mettle off with a little bit of your solvent first to make sure all the chemicals they put on it to not rust are off, and light it on fire a bitt to before using, just to be safe.

 

[3rdIopen]

Swims never been able to blast off with the pot sandwich, just makes things trippy for a little

 

[TheUntamedSky]

Hmmm, I would have to buy a bit, and a drill for this. Does anyone sell the machine for cheaper than it would cost for me to buy a drill and bit?

 

[CatchThirtyThr33]

We kept taking it in till it was gone. I would guess, 4 times for 0.1g.

We will try it a different way next time. How fast must all of it be inhaled?

Well for me I'll take the first draw, hold until I can't, and immediately after I exhale, go in for the second hit. Repeat for the third (if you can/need to).

When I smoke out of the bong I usually only need 2 medium sized hits inhaled deeply and I'm off. It takes me 20-30mg to breakthrough

 

[TheUntamedSky]

Just to be clear, is sandwiching the best method for bongs?

 

[Entheogenerator]

1. 1,500 ml distilled water was added to the flask
2. 150 g of pure Lye was added to the flask, and mixed till completely dissolved.
3. 100 g Hawaiian Acacia root bark was added to the flask.
4. Put a stopper on the flask, and tilted back and forth for 5 minutes to fully mix.
5. Waited 2 hours
6. Added 400 ml of Naptha VM&P to flask.
7. Put a stopper on the flask, and tilted back and forth for 5 minutes to fully mix.
8. Waited till it separated, than decanted the light yellow Naptha layer into a mason jar.
9. Evaporated down to 1/4, added another decant of Naptha, evaporated again to 1/4
10. Put it in the freezer for a day, at -30C
11. Took it out, and evaporated the rest.
12. Scraped the white clumps from the side (first smoke of 0.1g), and chopped them up.
13. Scraped the hardened yellow stuff up, and chopped it up to sand like consistency.
14. After thorough drying, tried to smoke it. Used a lab scale for precise measurements.

This procedure you have described is a STB extraction. Many people on the Nexus have tried STB extractions on acacia confusa rootbark, with poor results. You're going to have to try an acid/ base extraction.

When I first tried STB on acacia confusa, I yielded some fluffy, white crystals that looked like DMT. But, when vaporized they produced little effect. I don't know what these crystals were, but they were not DMT. It sounds like you are experiencing the same thing. 100 mg should be way more than you need to experience effects. I would go as far as to say that 100 mg is an excessive, and frankly reckless dose of DMT.

There is also a chance that you are burning the material. Vaporizing by conduction is extremely inefficient, and makes it really easy to burn DMT.

DMT should not leave black residue when vaporized, and 100 mg is a rediculously high dose.

 

[TheUntamedSky]

Ah, thank you. What tek specifically would you say is the best for this type of bark?

Sound like the same problem for both of us. I got the fluffy white crystals too.

The reason I used 100 mg, was because it was the first time. I was told that 100 mg would be a breakthrough hit, so that I should do that. What would you consider a good breakthrough hit?

Thank you guys for this advice. I hope I can find a way to help you guys out too. I've been thinking for a couple days of what I could do, just haven't figured something out yet. I figure my first good contribution will be a trip report.

 

[Entheogenerator]

I have developed my own procedure, so I can't say from experience, but I have heard of people getting rally good results using ACRB with Thick-Light's tek, Marsofold's tek, and Cyb's teks (Max Ion tek and ATB Salt tek).

As far as breakthrough goes it really depends, and dose isn't the only factor. Some people breakthrough from 25 mg, others need 50-60 mg. But I have never heard of anyone requiring even close to 100 mg. I really think your best bet would be to start low (5-10 mg) and work your way up slowly. There is really no need to strive for breakthrough on your first try. In fact, if you have never experienced DMT before, a breakthrough experience is likely to be overwhelming and uncomfortable. I really, really recommend starting small and working your way up in 5 or 10 mg increments. This is really the easiest way to find the dose that works best for you. This method is also good because it will allow you to perfect your vaporizing technique. Most people end up wasting a couple doses before they get it right, so it's better to waste 30 mg than it is to waste 300 mg.

 

[CatchThirtyThr33]

Just to be clear, is sandwiching the best method for bongs?

The BEST method for bongs would be Changa/enhanced leaf (DMT dissolved into leaf material), but the sandwich method is second best

 

[TheUntamedSky]

Thank you very much for the tips.

You probably just saved me from a horrifying experience, and for that, I am heavily grateful to you. If my breakthrough is actually at 25 mg, and I took in 100 mg of DMT...wow. Nobody has told me that before. Is there a way for me to refine the STB product into something actually usable?

About Changa, what is the best way to melt it into the leaves, without destroying it?