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So Far So Good? Please Advise

AnonymousMouse

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Just Another Freak, in the Freak Kingdom
Hello everyone. This is my first post here, and I write with the intention that it be accurately stated, respectful of your time, and well received. I have my very first extraction partially underway and just wanted to offer up my procedure thus far for review.

I have, so far, used 200g of powdered ACRB. This was added to a solution of very hot (post-boil) vinegar-water with a pH of 4. I did this in two batches, in all using about 1.2L of combined vinegar and water. This soup was then heated in a large jar, in a water bath, in a crock pot on low, for about 4 hours, then slowly cooled. Shaking/stirring occurred at intervals.

My intention is to complete the acid cook by letting it sit for the rest of the day and continue to do its thing. In about 15 hours I plan to strain, then prepare for the first basifying procedure. Do I need to process the (very finely powdered) ACRB material again with water/vinegar to ensure a good yield? Or is one relatively thorough heat/acid bath enough to get the DMT out? Also, is 1.2-1.5L enough volume of water/vinegar to fully contact all the ACRB particles? It took some stirring to fully suspend everything after the heat bath. I may add more water now as a final step to promote migration into the water/vinegar.

I plan to, once I'm sure this "acid cook" step is complete, proceed using half or 1/4 of the resulting solution, in each batch, to keep overall amounts of lye and naptha low. I'm more following indications of pH levels and basic principles than I am going by any one tek, I guess. I understand the principles involved well enough, but for every tek there's someone saying that it didn't work! Can someone give me a better sense of a sure-fire way to proceed? I was looking at the Boil n' Base 1.2 tek at first, but then I read something indicating that wasn't sound. At first, I was following an old Earthwalker 100g ACRB tek, but that was from 2014 and I wonder if the current state of the art differs. By all means, tell me what tek to utilize going forward!

Thanks in advance for anybody who took the time to read and respond. I'd really like some success on my first extraction, but I'm also willing to be persistent if things don't go to plan.
 
Hey MagickalMarty001, welcome!

1.2L is a bit on the low side for 200g but should work. I'd do at least a second water/vinegar treatment on the same bark. If you want to really find out how many you should do, you could process them separately and keep track of yield per acidic simmer, and keep doing them until nothing (relevant) comes out anymore. I think most teks recommend 3x acidic simmer.

As for how to proceed, the important parts are that you:
- bring it to high enough pH that it changes color
- use a solvent that evaporates without traces if you're gonna do freeze precipitation (as opposed to backsalting like you'd have to from eg. d-limonene)
- give the solvent and the soup enough contact area for a nice migration of the freebase, but don't agitate so heavily that you get a nasty emulsion
- separate the solvent from the soup cleanly - you want zero base soup droplets in your crystallisation dish when you put it in the freezer. If you're like me and can't achieve that with just a pipette, a good way is to pipette into one glass first, let it sit for some minutes there, then carefully transfer to the final dish. Any soup droplets will stick to the first glass.

You get better saturation in your solvent if you do the pulls warm/hot, at the cost of potentially also pulling more fats.

Speaking of fats, ACRB seems to have more of those than MHRB. So you might want to throw in a defatting step, ie. a solvent pull (that you'll discard) from the acidic tea, before you basify.
 
Thanks so much for your reply. I read you loud and clear on everything. I will adjust my process accordingly. I'll update with progress/results later.
 
So far all has gone great, I've got my stuff in the basifying solution now -- my question is, can I leave it in there overnight, at room temp, then warm and proceed tomorrow? I'm tired!
 
MagickalMarty001 said:
So far all has gone great, I've got my stuff in the basifying solution now -- my question is, can I leave it in there overnight, at room temp, then warm and proceed tomorrow? I'm tired!
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fractals4life said:
yes you can!
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Indeed, it will help break down the plant material so your yield should be good - but don't be surprised if your resulting crystals are a bit yellow and oily: Minimum Polymer

Polymorphic properties of DMT

Investigations into the polymorphic properties of N,N-dimethyltryptamine by X-ray diffraction and differential scanning calorimetry Alain Gaujac, James L. Ford, Nicola M. Dempster, Jailson Bittencourt de Andrade, Simon D. Brandt DOI:10.1016/j.microc.2013.03.009 The powerful psychoactive...
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The main tip I'd suggest here is to use a separate jug to collect your naphtha pull in before decanting it into the freeze precipitation vessel. This makes it a lot simpler to avoid getting base soup contamination in your final product. Some people include a bit of salt water or sodium carbonate solution in the jug to help catch stray droplets and give the naphtha a little wash.
 
Hey friends,
It took some twists and turns, and all was uncertain (and uncertain looking) until.. it wasn't. I am very pleased and I thank you all for your help and support!
 
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