So was Terence right about things getting weirder and weirder?

[CommonConduit]

It feels pleasant to hold that ‘I’ lightly .. I feel.

To allow for the sensations, and not .. overstate the subject.

 

[Sakkadelic]

I still can't figure out if there's any solidity about Terence's Timewave Zero. He once said his calculations might be off by some years. I wonder, is it all baloney, or was he onto something... What do you think?

I think the concept behind Timewave Zero, the fractal nature of time/novelty, is probably true. but I don't think what Terence did with it, of mapping and fixing it to real world events is reliable. And the whole bit about the I Ching, I am not sure about that. instead of coming up with a function/model and try to map novelty onto it, it's maybe better to try and look for the fractal pattern in the data, now that we have much more powerful computers.

 

[🌺🔥🫧]

Time & Space are really so profoundly intertwined almost as to feel like one and the same to me. This insight is inspired by my relationship with LSD at the moment. I only have a little sense for it right now, which is also all I can handle for the moment!!! xD because, TIME/Space, is really something. Time on LSD truly just feels like a place in space to me. I haven't dipped myself into the timeless yet, because I wasn't ready for it, but I would like to soon. It's just a little shocking for me, since time can oftentimes be your escape route.

Even though I'm still sober and not a deep psychonaut, lol, reality does feel a little bit fractal to me, these days, since starting psychedelics. It's like a level of awareness. Because Time and Space feel like one entity to me, and space basically contains reality, when Terrence talks about fractal space and/or time I find it very interesting. When I start feeling my emotions in space, and re-LIVING things across time, it really knocks my socks off. It's very real. It's almost as if my body was always conscious and remembered everything, just that I'm traveling into what was now. almost as if I'd be going into my life, as it has manifested up until now, not across it to death.

And reality also feels holographic to me. Holographic in the sense that, I feel like I am interacting with something transcendent in a transitory way. Everything around me is constantly evolving as eyes and relationship to them evolve. Those things are becoming literally more real. There is more to sense about them. more size, more texture, color, detail, and focus, and relativity etc. Reality is manifesting into my mind. Even words, are manifesting, and becoming more real and more powerful. I could imagine that if some day I became really REALLY trippy, words would be their own universe portal, since my mind would have manifested it so much. This is similar in the way a zen kaon might be borderline meaningless to an 8 year old child, but those very same words might reflect profound meaning when it's older.

In addition to holographic, I felt a 'portal' nature to reality AFTER I was down from MDMA and LSD most recently. by portal, I felt and experienced reality to be what it is (just from a more elevated level of sensitivity like a lv1 trip), and when people spoke, I received them so deeply that their words and voices were literally like golden beauty out of which visual remembrance images were arising, as if everyone around me is a walking portal into golden spirit, and they all can remind me of parts of myself with their eyes and voice. It was wild. xD

I have no sense for 'novelty' myself so I'm curious what he means by novelty. Like is that a sense for him? My sense of space (and thus also time) is strong, but I have no idea what a sense of 'novelty', or not-novelty is. Maybe it's how 'manifesty' everything in the universe is, how actively evolutionary and flowy and morphing it is actively perceived to be? idk

Some of these things were more difficult to experience and relate to, since they changed what my reality was, FUNDAMENTALLY. I binged away many of these feelings, and intentionally lowered my energy lol so as to derealize my reality. But now I am actually looking forward to stepping back into these and exploring them. It's the not the psychedelic or the dose for me, as much as it is the emotional choice in some ways. I feel like, sometimes you never come back from LSD, or ayahuasca, if you go someplace so deep. That is one thing that needs to be respected in our psychedelic communities. Many people seem to have transient experiences, and dose-dependent experiences, but we are not all like that. for me, 200ug of LSD is not "200ug" of LSD. It's not a certain amount of hours. I am extremely sober going into these experiences and I engage with them, and I re-member them.

 

[MAGMA17]

That is precisely what's drawing me so strongly to this idea. Last time I was in a state of seeing yet not understanding was when I was a newborn, when the linguistic framework had not yet been draped over my perception and I was able to experience reality without attaching little labels and ideas and motes of understanding to everything my eyes saw. I yearn for that sensation of novelty and wonder again.

Note that I'm not saying experiencing such a reality would be necessarily pleasant or have a positive effect on my mental health. But again, the curiosity in me overpowers my self-preservation instincts. Or at least that's how it feels on paper.

I perfectly understand you in that maybe if I had read your post 1 minute earlier or later I would have responded like you.

I just like to add information to the table. I don't really know what I want or how I would react to anything at all. And I like that

 

[Nydex]

Time on LSD truly just feels like a place in space to me.

I resonate deeply with this. LSD has a peculiar way of putting one's perspective through a prism and by doing so, expanding it in a way that makes it possible to encompass notions and ideas that are otherwise incomprehensible to the sober mind. Space-time is a frequent element of internalized discernment for me during LSD journeys. To say I have reached any conclusive ideas about it, thought, would be to outright lie. It's still very much a process for me, and there's a lot of room for growth. It almost feels like the rate of expansion of that room outpaces my ability to grow, which from one perspective is terrifying, but from another is quite comforting in knowing that you will never know everything that there is to know.

if some day I became really REALLY trippy

What makes you think you aren't as trippy already? I find you pretty trippy, and I mean this in the kindest and most loving way possible.

I have no idea what a sense of 'novelty', or not-novelty is

I don't think there's one singular definition that says it all. The way I see it, novelty is as much a personal experience as it is an objective one. The level of novelty in a biosphere, for example, can be measured by the number of unique interactions by all living and non-living elements of that biosphere.

But for a person, the level of novelty might be expressed in the level of amazement and lack of understanding with relation to a concept, event or something else. At least that's how I see it. The less I understand how something works, the more it confuses and amazes me, the more `novel` I find it. This is what I alluded to earlier when I said I yearn for that sense of novelty that comes with the lack of a linguistic framework upon which to build understanding for the surrounding world, much like a newborn.

I may be completely off in my understanding of novelty, but does it really matter? I think it's pretty obvious the world is getting more and more complex, with new technologies emerging almost daily, and with an increasing severity and frequency of conflict between people for all kinds of reasons.

In any case, I'm as terrified about the future as I'm excited.

I perfectly understand you in that maybe if I had read your post 1 minute earlier or later I would have responded like you.

I just like to add information to the table. I don't really know what I want or how I would react to anything at all. And I like that

And you should like it. Living in this constant flux is a powerful stance to have upon life. It opens so many doors to amazement and growth.

 

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It almost feels like the rate of expansion of that room outpaces my ability to grow, which from one perspective is terrifying, but from another is quite comforting in knowing that you will never know everything that there is to know.

I feel so much respect and appreciation for other people who also engage with those moments

What makes you think you aren't as trippy already? I find you pretty trippy

If you think I'm trippy then we need some word to describe my future ibogahuasca self that is past the event horizon and just smiles at you like a vegetable xD

This is what I alluded to earlier when I said I yearn for that sense of novelty that comes with the lack of a linguistic framework upon which to build understanding for the surrounding world, much like a newborn.

Today in a rosicrucian meeting attended, which is kindof like a philosophy club, someone mentioned about being careful what you wish for in prayer. For instance, asking Spirit for a sign of inspiration to help your performance tonight, is wonderful, but it can also narrow your spiritual receptivity-focus down to that which you prayed or asked for, which is VERY exclusive. That prayer literally excludes the whole universe from presenting itself to you.

SO, what is it you want, or are trying to manifest? Could you be radically narrowing what the universe shows you by desiring? I do however see these desires in and of themselves as intrinsically valuable novelty experiences which will exhilarate you and then move on to the next. If you want to manifest novelty like a child
Negative wishes are also very much partnered up with positive wishes in my world. I see a lot of positivity pursued out of a complete coupling with negative influence. These negative emotions like "Away from here, Away from here, No No NO NO NO NO!!" is very much also a singularity mindset which excludes the whole world. We then seek out reflective positive singularities to palliate these negatives, it would seem to me.

So when your desires become so big and diffuse, as to be a part of almost everything of the world, perhaps you simply just desire WHAT EXISTS then, or 'realness' itself, ~ desiring connection with very universal qualities ~, then you might be introduced to much more novelty. We spend YEARS possessed by our desires. Even decades or lifetimes. It's fascinating to me, this evolution of your pursuit of novelty. What interests you? Everything? weird stuff. Sitting still, not moving my body to seek, or run away, with the psychedelics, is always so expansive for me. What a child-izing practice, in a way. I was literally running though the grass with like, doggies and butterflies after my lad lol. I really feel like the meditation with the psychedelics touches base with those childish eyes. Walking however through the forest is different because I get distracted and I can think so the sitting part does a lot for me. Yet even meditation on psychedelics is a very specific moment in your life. Maybe for me it's a necessary one to pass through.



luv

 

[Nydex]

SO, what is it you want, or are trying to manifest? Could you be radically narrowing what the universe shows you by desiring?

Albeit a bit paradoxical if looked at from this perspective, what I want is quite the opposite of a narrowing down. By temporarily abstracting away the linguistic framework, one removes a filter upon reality and is able to perceive things as they are, without attaching ideas, expectations, biases, emotions or anything else to what they are experiencing. Those moments are, for me personally, profoundly liberating, and also quite intimidating. The ego doesn't like to let go of understanding. It likes clinging to things, exerting control, surviving. And I am thankful to it for helping me survive and, in some ways, prosper. It serves its purpose. But from time to time, it needs to chill out, let go of the wheel, and just observe with eyes devoid of linguistic illusion. It's such a powerful state of being.

 

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OMG

 

[CommonConduit]

Albeit a bit paradoxical if looked at from this perspective, what I want is quite the opposite of a narrowing down. By temporarily abstracting away the linguistic framework, one removes a filter upon reality and is able to perceive things as they are, without attaching ideas, expectations, biases, emotions or anything else to what they are experiencing. Those moments are, for me personally, profoundly liberating, and also quite intimidating. The ego doesn't like to let go of understanding. It likes clinging to things, exerting control, surviving. And I am thankful to it for helping me survive and, in some ways, prosper. It serves its purpose. But from time to time, it needs to chill out, let go of the wheel, and just observe with eyes devoid of linguistic illusion. It's such a powerful state of being.

To no longer do what you want, but what ... God wants from you?

 

[Nydex]

To no longer do what you want, but what ... God wants from you?

My only God is Nature, and I believe myself to be a part of it just as much as it is a part of me. As such, what I want, and what my God wants, is the same thing. Follow me for more vague and barely comprehensible banter

 

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I’m gonna tear up

 

[CommonConduit]

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[rkba]

Follow me for more vague and barely comprehensible banter

I feel ya there! It's like floating in the Flux, redefining perception after perception, wondering where It may lead you. And not really knowing how to describe it, because the comprehension is so fluid and new. Undefined and beautiful.

In a sense the process is reclaiming the old magic from before reality was narrowed down by the Narration from outside. This time with a past reality that is disintegrating and a new one forming, defined from within yourself.

 

[CosmicRiver]

Last time I was in a state of seeing yet not understanding was when I was a newborn, when the linguistic framework had not yet been draped over my perception and I was able to experience reality without attaching little labels and ideas and motes of understanding to everything my eyes saw. I yearn for that sensation of novelty and wonder again.

Never happened to you with psychedelics? it can definitely happen. Even during meditation.

Anyway I always found this idea of Terence too Earth-centric to apply to the whole Universe. And even on Earth, I don't think humans are the most complex organisms. I think this is an outdated idea. If I remember correctly, Terence had this idea by looking at the exponential rate of technological advance, but I don't think it is correlated with the future of the Universe or approaching a singularity.

That being said, I just noticed how old the thread is and I felt that something started changing in late 2018, around the same time you noticed. And the most recent years have confirmed your prediction. But I felt that in late 2024 things have slowed down again, just a feeling though.

 

[Nydex]

Never happened to you with psychedelics? it can definitely happen.

Oh it has, but not having a linguistic framework is not the same as having it temporarily suppressed under the effects of psychedelics. It's still great, but subtly different.

And even on Earth, I don't think humans are the most complex organisms. I think this is an outdated idea.

Which organisms would you consider more complex than humans, and why? Not arguing, just curious. I personally find octopi and other cephalopods fascinating beyond words, and the same applies to mycelium.

That being said, I just noticed how old the thread is and I felt that something started changing in late 2018, around the same time you noticed. And the most recent years have confirmed your prediction. But I felt that in late 2024 things have slowed down again, just a feeling though.

I would say the same, but I also know that my perceived "speed of time" is directly correlated to how much is going on in my life. To a mind able to perceive everything, a single calendar year in which 1,000,000 significant events occur feels incomparably longer to, say, 100 years in which not a single significant event occurs.

During the time I started noticing this speeding up, my life was chaotic and I had huge things planned in my immediate future, with a ton of preparation and stuff I had to take care of before the deadline. Now, even though I still have quite a lot on my plate, my life is much slower and relaxed in many ways, which makes time feel like it's passing slower.

That's just how I see things though, your perspective might differ greatly.

 

[CosmicRiver]

Oh it has, but not having a linguistic framework is not the same as having it temporarily suppressed under the effects of psychedelics. It's still great, but subtly different.

Yes it could very well be the case but I don't remember how it felt like when I was a newborn unfortunately

Which organisms would you consider more complex than humans, and why? Not arguing, just curious. I personally find octopi and other cephalopods fascinating beyond words, and the same applies to mycelium.

It's very difficult to answer because I think that "complexity" is very subjective, so depending on how you define it humans could be the most complex or not. All life is equally complex but in a different way. It's not to be polite haha I really believe it. It's hard to choose.
But yes cephalopods are very complex and fascinating now that I think about it. I would probably say caterpillars because they can modify their whole organism to turn into another one.

I would say the same, but I also know that my perceived "speed of time" is directly correlated to how much is going on in my life.

Yes you're right. It happened the same to me too. Even if many impactful things happened in the world lately.

 

[CommonConduit]

All life is equally complex but in a different way.

I take McKenna's complexity/novelty to be some kind of poetry, not an actual physical ... accumulation inside the universe.

To me, this whole experience feels like it's one thing reconfiguring itself.

The novelty aspect may be the universe losing touch, more and more, until it short-circuits (or drops) into singularity, becoming conscious of itself again.

As an individual awareness, mind you.
Collective too? Who knows.

"Tell me, mother: how can I turn back old times
Maybe we are all asleep and die inside to taste
The urge to feel so much more
Closing all my windows to embrace"