I dunno it just seems to me that a lot of folks seem to have a negative attitude towards people who want to go experience it in the authentic setting. Its just a vibe im getting. I saw it in a similar conversation on a different thread that my member status did not permit me to comment on. Obviously facilities that charge a sum of money in order for you to experience this drug are reprehensible. But if i could somehow organize a visit to a tribe and participate in one of their ceremonies, i would very much like to do it. Hell i would even give them money if they would accept it, and maybe they could actually do something productive with it, unlike the quacks who are exploiting something sacred for their own personal gain. Im paraphrasing but certain people ive seen seem to think even that would be destroying their culture.ganesh said:
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Lizz said:
Don't let that put you off. Mind you, there is a lot to be said about doing your own research at home into your own problems, and taking steps to heal yourself at home. Different strokes for different folks.
I have to say, it seems to me there's a fair bit of Jealousy coming from those who poo poo the ones who actually travel and experience a healing centre and trained Curandero scenario.
:lol:
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ganesh said:
This does not say they had a prior grudge.
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Lizz said:
lol , been around the world 3x.......
those guys arent even on the circuit for a good party.
for the prices these guys charge,
i could fly in some natives , rent some potted plants,
order up some aya, and then put them next to the jugglers and belly dancers , in the foyer.
so they could welcome guests to a real party........
(id have suggested the main dining room, but we have seen they dont do well with silverware)
these guys are fast bux in the weeds, hardly a main showcase of psychedlia.
KillaNoodles, just out of curiosity; do you believe that all forms of travel between cultures and the sharing of rituals and customs among them is wrong, or just in regards to the Amazonian cultures. Do you believe that all cultures should remain seperated with no intermingling at all?
(I do agree with you that this ridiculous corporatism that Westerners are forced to comply with is very detrimental to almost everything it touches, but i also have faith that this will not remain the status quo for much longer)
(I do agree with you that this ridiculous corporatism that Westerners are forced to comply with is very detrimental to almost everything it touches, but i also have faith that this will not remain the status quo for much longer)
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ganesh said:
wouldnt matter,
craigslist and i get a whole pack of imposters and the band to go with it.
(for less than a plane fare, super easy, as i dont fly coach)
indians and a potion, isnt worth the commute, or the risk, even at low low prices.
the serious nexian, should be able to "brew thy own" IMO anyway.
im well known for a strong stand on " open source @ home" everything
those who cant travel, can still trip..........
i just have zero faith in aya tourism.
even if they used plastic cutlery...........
anne halonium said:
I don't blame you for thinking like that. But it's worth noting that drinking with a good Curandero is not the same as alone;Worlds apart. The Curandero has experience, icaros, and knowledge from plant dietas.
Personally i love travelling and so i have never travelled soley to drink, in fact i spent many years travelling before i bothered to do so. So if it wasn't good, i'd have not wasted on an airfare, etc. Just would have been another travel; experience.
Sadly this happened recently in the amazon.
I never felt comfortable with the idea to trip with total strangers even if it's guided and hosted with a shaman. You never know who you're facing let alone when under influence of a powerful substance.
Here's the article:
www.theguardian.com
I never felt comfortable with the idea to trip with total strangers even if it's guided and hosted with a shaman. You never know who you're facing let alone when under influence of a powerful substance.
Here's the article:
Briton stabbed to death by Canadian during 'bad trip' in Amazon spiritual ceremony
Witnesses told police Joshua Andrew Freeman Stevens killed Unais Gomes in self-defence after Gomes had ‘bad trip’ on hallucinogenic ayahuasca plant
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So according the the posted articles here they were friends. I thought they were strangers.
The idea of tripping with people I don't know doesn't make me feel comfortable at all. In this case it seems that the fact that they were not strangers might have contributed to this terrible situation.
It must be devastating for the guy to have to kill his friend out of self-defence.
It's so sad as these retreats are there to guide and protect people in the first place (not saying they're to blame).
The idea of tripping with people I don't know doesn't make me feel comfortable at all. In this case it seems that the fact that they were not strangers might have contributed to this terrible situation.
It must be devastating for the guy to have to kill his friend out of self-defence.
It's so sad as these retreats are there to guide and protect people in the first place (not saying they're to blame).
I'm in the UK and this was actually on our local news.
I visited the parents on the weekend and my mother also saw it, she knows about my plans to visit Peru next year. Needless to say, she questions my desires and started to worry that I wouldn't be safe over there.
Mass media; The brain rot of the 21st century.
I visited the parents on the weekend and my mother also saw it, she knows about my plans to visit Peru next year. Needless to say, she questions my desires and started to worry that I wouldn't be safe over there.
Mass media; The brain rot of the 21st century.
Lizz said:
It's funny I always found it was much more so the other way.
I have never been one to think less of the experience of another because I myself did not experience the same thing, so the best I can do is respect and listen. I've had encounters with a few people when the conversation of ayahuasca has come up and I have on a few occasions encountered people who have taken the journey to a shaman to use this medicine. It's quite common that they insinuate that my experience was null and void because it was not in the traditional setting. Generally I just externally agree with these people, but my attitude towards my experiences has not been changed by their input.
A Peruvian native who grew up in the jungle and drinks Ayahuasca in the jungle is going to have an extremely different experience to my lilly white ass, mosquito bite ridden, smouldering in the jungle heat in a completely 100% UNFAMILIAR environment. To me the fact I would be in a jungle setting for the experience would add nothing to the event but novelty. The emphasis on the psychedelic experience for myself is internal. My external emphasis is being as comfortable as I can be as to not distract what is going on inside.
I completely understand that some folk are way more outdoorsy than myself and I have read some amazing truly life changing reports of experiences in the traditional setting and I have much respect and admiration for those people, but I also feel this is not by a long stretch a one size fits all affair.
Do your research, do what's right for you and tailor your own experience.
Yeah, your mother is so right. Better stay in the UK and go to the pub. Much safer. Oh, wait... what!? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=UK+pub+stabbing+deathJaffster said:
Why the need for so much hostility? Someone died in a horrible way and still the discussion is about how people should experience psychedelics. Live and let live! Something like this can happen in most settings...while being on drugs or sober. It can happen and it will happen again.
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