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Ok, well I just read through that thread. Interesting,

It gave me more of an understanding of people's interests on here and where Spagyrics might intersect with the Entheogenic path.

Firstly I'll just say - that woman is/was a dick - coming on here and making judgements and being concerned about selling her product in an arrogant fashion. Personally as a spagyric alchemist I'm very suss on peeps who wanna sling their wares, I mean jeez. More relevantly though, she didn't really do ANYTHING to explore, explain or clarify (as in to share information, utilitarian-like) the ontology and rationale behind Alchemy and spagyric medicines and how it might relate or be complimented by that of the entheogenic. In the end her expertise meant nothing - she went on for a while but provided zilch, apart from a gem here and there in amongst the dross. This is the opposite of what I wanted to do here (and guess what - I aint selling anything!)

It raises a series of questions, but I guess the reason why I initially expressed (perhaps unsuitably) that skeptical materialist/scientific turseness wouldn't really have a place in this sort of discussion, was because the reasoning behind Alchemy and it's practice of spagyrics is quite metaphysical. It 100% includes all of the relevant scientific knowledge, and indeed scrutiny, but also extends it's rationale to realms further than modern chemistry 'has room for'. This is because it deals with the 'life force' of each plant, mineral and animal.

That might not be welcomed here - I presumed it wouldn't have been by Burnt - so it's really up to y'all if you're interested. I accept that you may not be. I'll explain further once I hear some response.

One last thing - yes, polytrip, an Entheogen is a molecule. But tell me, is the 'Theo' part of 'Entheogen' a molecule? Or indeed, is it 'matter'? This sort of philosophical discourse isn't really what I wanted to get into, and I have no interest in discussing or arguing such things as everyone is entitled to their opinion which is no business of mine.
 
I would be interested (or curious, at least) to know more about what you consider to be plants' lifeforce, how it all works and the relation between alchemy and herbalism.

Maybe you could start your own thread in the Through the Looking Glass section, wich is reserved for that kind of subject.
 
I'm wanting to keep it quite practical here, this is towards the preparation of tinctures and magisteries. The philosophy behind it is important, but not solely for rumination.

No one else seems to be interested?
 
I am extremely interested. If you do not feel like dealing with the skeptics you are more than welcome to PM me for my email address. Thank you kindly!
 
Hey Robert,

I know a guy who has been making spygyric ayahuasca. It works very well. You only need 50 grams of thin as little finger vine to fully potentiate a brew, when such thin vine would not normally carry the brew. The spygryic process appears to double the strength of the brew.
 
The burn phase of the spagyric practice is isolating a condensed portion of ORMES from the plant material in my opinion. You should be doing this with an alchemical furnace..meaning it is sealed..you burn to char the same way one would with bio char..or terra prete..

Amazonians were on to this way way back. Jungle Alchemy.

Because it is done in a metal furnace heated but with no actaul flame to burn it..it burns off the hydrogen I think..not the carbon. The mono-atomics will not oxidise and flip out of m-state..so the alchemist is left with this ash of the plant that contains fully intact m-state material that can then be further precipitated from the ash or used as is etc..

This is what I suspect anyway..and also what I think is going on with terra preta. Barry Carter and others have all said the same thing for a while.

I know that some do the burn step openly exposed to flames..but I think it is possible that is a degredation of this knowledge. Just think of the "alchemists furnace"...
 
I haven't tried spagyric caapi or Salvia, so I can't speak to their effects. I have made spagyric tinctures though, it's a worthwhile process for anyone interested in making their own.

The basic principle behind spagyric tincturing is to separate a plant into its individual components, purify and concentrate them, and then combine the parts back together at the end. Alchemists consider plants to have a soul (essential oil), a spirit (alcoholic extract) and a body (the ash or salt obtained from burning the plant).

A basic spagyric would be to make a tincture of a herb (which extracts the essential oils as well as whatever is soluble in alcohol), and then take the plant material at the end, dry it out and then burn it down until it is a fine white ash, then add the ash back to the tincture.

A more complex way to do it, would be to first steam distil the plant material (for the essential oils), then tincture the plant material (for the heavier alcohol soluble compounds), finally burn the plant material to ash and combine all three together. If you get really into it, you can also separate and purify the ashes into water soluble (eg sulphates and other salts) and insoluble portions (eg the silica content and some other minerals).

For most plant materials, raising them to a temperature of 500 degrees Farenheit, and holding there for about 6 hours, is enough to render a fine white ash.
 
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