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Spice Saturated D-limonene -> Spice Fumarate SUCCESS!

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Jokerst, would you be willing to do a detailed (or detailed enough) write up on this tek, just to sum it all up?

I'm pretty sure I'm following you through all this & any questions I may have had I can usually figure out.
But I'm a nerd & I'd love to read through the exact steps you might use...next time...having learned what you may have learned.

Like, did you mean that you where evaporating the 25ml of FASW after each pull?
Or where you doing 3 25ml FASW pulls & combining them together & evaping 75ml of FASW at a time?


Cheers,

WS
 
yeah i'll ask SWIM to write something up..and i'll post it..i may even start a new thread for it..but ill post it here first to see what you think
 
Jorkest's D-Limonene & Fumaric Acid Approach

This idea came around because we all hate the sticky and gooey DMT/Jungle Spice acetic salt. DMT acetate is hard to gather, it's hard to weigh, and it sticks to absolutely everything. But, DMT fumarate is solid and crystalline. Which is why SWIM wanted to figure out a way to salt out DMT & Jungle Spice from d-limonene. He then wanted to convert the DMT fumarate to the freebase.

The idea is that 630mg fumaric acid is soluble in 100ml of 25C(temp) water. Fumaric acid is also barely, if at all, soluble in d-limonene and DMT fumarate is soluble in water and not d-limonene. Also, d-limonene and water remain separate layers, which makes it easy to pull the Spice fumarate saturated water and leave behind the d-limonene.

This means if we make a fumaric acid saturated solution with water(Fumaric Acid Saturated Water=FASW), we can add this to the dmt & jungle spice saturated d-limonene and move all the spice into the water. The reason to do this is because d-limonene doesn't evaporate very well and almost always leaves an oily residue. It's not dangerous it just adds a very orangy flavor and keeps things from drying to well.

The technique that you are about to read is going to follow the lines of a STB technique, but the main part of this technique can be use in almost every known extraction process, including an A/B, DryTek and STB, but not limited to those. It can also be used for extracting from plants other than MHRB. This technique also does not call for any freezer crystallization.

Materials

80g MHRB
80+g Sodium Hydroxide
1200ml Water
150-200ml d-limonene
1g Fumaric acid(yeah, you wont use this much but whatever)
4g Sodium carbonate
Vinegar(neutralizing lye spills)
45ml MEK or acetone
anhydrous magnesium sulfate

Equipment

coffee grinder
1/2 gallon HDPE jug(half gallon milk jug works great)
1 large jar(one that can hold at least 1.5 liters)
3 smaller jars(1/2 pint will do)
small glass funnel
cotton balls
dehydrator/very very low setting on the stove(no more than 120 degrees) - a thermometer helps
stirring utensil
evaporation dish

The Process

Step 1 - Take your 80g MHRB and break it up into small pieces about 3/4 of an inch long and no more than 1/4 of an inch wide. The smaller the better.

Step 2 - Put about 25g into the coffee grinder and grind that stuff to powder. Do this for the rest of the root bark.

Step 3 - Fill your large jar with 1200ml of water and add 80g sodium hydroxide. Stir this until it becomes clear and then when it has cooled down, CAREFULLY pour this into your 1/2 gallon HDPE jug. Then stuff in your powdered root bark. Put cover on the gallon jug and HOLD THE CAP WITH YOUR THUMB and shake the piss out of it, so that everything mixes together real nice. Make sure your thumb is holding the cap down really good, you do not want lye all over yourself or your home!

Step 4 - Add between 75-100ml d-limonene to your 1/2 gallon jug with the lye tea in it. Shake the piss out of it. If the layers do not separate(like they are supposed to) add a few more grams of lye right into the jug. This should break any emulsions. Mix this stuff together for awhile, you want as much Spice to get into the d-limonene as possible. Also, adding a bit of heat should increase yields.

Step 5 - Suck up, pour off, or squeeze out the top layer of liquid, which will be the saturated d-limonene. Pour it first into one of the three smaller jars. SWIM always gets a little lye water when he does this, but the small amounts usually stick to the bottom. You should be able to get at least 50ml of the d-limonene off the mimosa tea.

Step 6 - Take your glass funnel and a piece of cotton ball. Stuff the small piece of cotton into the neck of the funnel. Pour the first jar of d-limonene through the funnel into the second small jar. Try to keep any lye water from going into the funnel, but if a little bit does, it should be caught by the cotton. Repeat steps 4-6 two more times and combine your d-limonene. Pour all of this through a filter one more time.

Step 7 - Get your third small jar and put around 75ml of WARM water in it. Add 450mg of fumaric acid to it. Stir this like crazy. There may be a few fumaric acid chunks in there but you can filter them out with a clean piece of cotton in the funnel. Pour the 75ml FASW into the filter funnel to filter out any excess fumaric acid.

Step 8 - Stir 25ml FASW into the d-limonene for at least 10 minutes. Then suck out the dmt fumarate saturated water, which will be the bottom liquid layer. SWIM usually cleans out the third small jar and puts this saturated water in it before putting the water on the evaporating plate. This is so that he can filter the water before it hits the evaporating plate. This keeps any traces of d-limonene out of the soon to be evaporated dmt water. Repeat this step two more times with 25ml fresh FASW each time.

Step 9 - Evaporate the 75ml saturated dmt water in the dehydrator or on a very very low oven setting, no more than 175F. This will result in the solid DMT fumarate. This stuff is HARD. It may be difficult to scrape up, but just use some muscle and it will come up.

Step 10 - Time to freebase. Depending on how much DMT fumarate you have been able to get, add two parts sodium carbonate. So, if you got 1g DMT fumarate, you would add 2g sodium carbonate. Then add 2-4ml of water, just enough to get it nice and wet. Stir this for awhile, it will probably bubble a little bit. Make sure any chunks get absorbed, this may take 5-10 minutes. Throw this into the food dehydrator until dry.

Step 11 - Once the freebasing is done and dried get say 45ml of MEK or acetone and add a dollop of magnesium sulfate anhydrous and stir around for a bit. This will remove any water. Then pour the MEK or acetone through a cotton filter a few times and then pour 15ml of the solvent onto your freebased spice/sodium carbonate/fumaric acid mix.

Step 12 - Pour off the solvent through a filter, try to keep any solids from getting into the filter because you want to wash them with the solvent again to make sure you got all the spice. Do steps 12 and 13 two more times with another 15ml fresh dry MEK or acteone. Throw this solvent in the dehydrator on your evaporating dish.

Step 13 - After the solvent has evaporated, your freebased spice may still look and feel gooey and honey like. What SWIM does is scrapes this gooey mess over and over and over again. Somehow this slowly makes it solidify and become a waxy tan material. It is not sticky but crumbly and dry.

Step 14 - Take a dose, melt it onto some herbs. Such as peppermint, caapi, salvia, and passionflower. Smoke that stuff! Hold it in! Hold it more!! SMILE and then exhale for a WONDERFUL trip down memory lane.

ENJOY!
 
Nice!! Thanks Man!!

I'm filtering the DMT-FASWater now & will be evaporating it over night.

*I did the same thing you detailed here except one thing, I did three D-Limo pulls on the bark solution, combined them & filtered 1 more time, with all the DMT-Limo together.

*Then I mixed up 75ml of FASW, using 450mg of fumaric Acid & did three 25ml FASW pulls on the DMT-Limonene.

*I'm going to filter the water a few more times, before pouring it into a glass dish & putting in the oven over night @ 110F Degrees.

I'll let you know how it turns out tommorrow.


Very easy & quick...here's a pic:


WS
 

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nice dude! the reason SWIM did everything so broken up was because he wasnt sure how it would turn out..and
he wanted to see the yields from every step..to make sure he wasnt losing anything..but yeah..combining everything together
would do just fine..

SWIM is glad everything went smoothly for you..cant wait to see how it went!
 
Jorkest said:
nice dude! the reason SWIM did everything so broken up was because he wasnt sure how it would turn out..and
he wanted to see the yields from every step..to make sure he wasnt losing anything..but yeah..combining everything together
would do just fine..

SWIM is glad everything went smoothly for you..cant wait to see how it went!
Me too!!:d
 
i edited the Tek with your recommendations...should make it easier and more straight forward..thanks for the tips!
 
hahahaha 8mg - now swiy knows how swim feels
unwashed
pull 1 - 1.2g
pull 2 - 360mg
pull 3 - 231mg

swim will weigh his fumaric acid before adding it to the pull water for the next set of pulls so he knows when its time to stop pulling.
Time to freebase this stuff.
jorkest swiy said "
SWIM's first FASW turned into beautiful feathers..the second one was like very tacky honey..that when scraped up solidified quite a bit..and the third one had a bunch of little crystals...half of it was fumaric acid and the other half was dmt fumarate..or so...
"
swims went the same.
This tek is the best - by far.
 
nice dude! cant wait to see what the freebase comes out to be!

i wrote up a nice tek for it..and made a new thread..see if i can get traveler to put it in the WIKI
 
2 questions

when freebasing - swim uses sodium carbonate but has heard of other using calcium hydroxide - is either better for any reason ?

when pulling off the freebase powder(the dried paste) with acetone - what shape vessel is best to use - test tube(and sucking up with a pippette) or bowl(and pouring off) ?
 
swims freebase pull has evaporated and the outcome is like goo - swims bark seems to have a lot of jungle - swim is thinking of doing a naptha wash and rextalization on it to see the amount of actual spice that comes out - swim has enough majic lemon honey goo for a while allready.
 
oh almost forgot - yeild from the first 3 sets of 3 pulls per set - 609mg freebase - this is off 40g mhrb - swim will do another 3 sets of 3 pulls then toss it out - omg this tek is brilliant -

edit - the mix seems to be rapidly xtalizing - maybe the naptha scene can be skipped.
 
yeah dude..dont crystallize...if you are getting goo...just scrape it over and over and over again..it will turn a nice
waxy consistency...also the reason to use sodium carbonate is because calcium hydroxide kinda floats a bit in acetone or MEK
thats why SWIM used sodium carbonate

awesome yield dude!!! wait till you try the stuff...its absolutely the BEST spice SWIM has ever smoked
 
swim massaged the honey until it became peanut butter - its in with some dessicant atm, seems to be like sticky stand - or dry fudge - simmilar color too.
 
yup..it will dry out...the later pulls get a bit more peanut buttery but..just work them a bit and they will dry out
 
Seriously, SWIM converts fumarate to freebase all the time. He always gets goo at some point, but he just lets it sit, rather than disturbing it. Very soon, it will dry out and crystallize into a wax. SWIM just leaves it on top of a high cabinet without desiccant, and it does it all by itself.
 
Ooh Fah Jokerst!!!

I have finally scraped up my evaporated FASWater, after letting it sit in the oven @ 110F degrees for an entire day.
I ended up having something to attend to yesterday, so I didn't get the chance to scrape up the goods until this morning & holy shit...there is a whole lot more DMT accumulated here than I was expecting!!
I only used a total of 450mg Fumaric acid, for three, 25ml FASW pulls. What you see in the pics was the yield from all three pulls combined together before I did the evaporating.
Also, I combined all three D-Limo pulls before doing the FASW step.

I could have scraped it up sooner, but did not have the time yesterday & I'm glad it worked out like that, as this was very easy to scrape off the glass dish too, it came right up!!
Whats in the picture there, is what I had, right after finishing the scraping, no "working" of the extract to help dry it out was necessary.
A few of you chaps had mentioned the 2nd & 3rd pulls being harder & harder to remove from the glass evap dish, because they were not as crystalline as the 1st pull & that mixing it around after getting it up, off of the glass, helped it to dry out entirely.
Well I can attest to just waiting until all the glossy sheen goes away before scraping it up at all. Unless your in a hurry, than that just isn't going to cut the mustard...

Anyway, I have not weight this out yet, I'll report back after weighing it, washing out the excess Fumaric acid with Acetone, basifying half of it & weighing again.

The pics down there are of before & after scraping up the goods, check out the before pic (sorry about the low res camera), it didn't look like there was much in there. But then it was scraped up & voila...a pretty pile!!


I'm very excited to try this extract mixed together with my combo of Harmalas in some orange juice!!
BTW, being that this is "Jungle Spice"-fumarate, not the pure DMT-fumaratre that I would normaly use, what kind of dose would you fellas recommend starting with orally?
I usually use 40-60mg DMT-Fumarate (or around 10mg less, if it's freebase DMT) to take orally with Harmalas...
If 8mg vaporized, rocketed you off like you said it did & that usually takes 30-50mg, it would probably be very easy to over do it orally...some advice please...


And I gotta say it one more time, thanks again Jokerst!!!
That's what now, 2 (or is it 3-4?) newer, greener, easier & safer extractions!!

VERY NICE INDEED!!

Wish I could buy you a beer, or smoke some kind with you to show my gratitude!!


Cheers!

WS
 

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swims came out kinda like a grated candle stick if not drier, its like a stickish powder.
Swim hasnt tested its potency yet.
 
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