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Spice & the army

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^^^^^what he said :x

I'm so sick of this fake cannabis bullshit. I know of two headshops where, every time i stick my nose in to take a look at local glass, the owners always rant and rave about how great these things are and how much they emulate weed and how stoned i'll be...

Fuck that shit :evil: , half the time I'm tempted to ask 'em if it'll get me more lifted than some beautiful homegrown ladies...sike
 
Smoking salvia mixed with other herds and inhalants???? huhhhhhhh Sounds like high school kids with guns.... wait it is high school kids with guns and ignorant generals behind desks.

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Despite the harsh penalties, Air Force officials urge anyone who needs help battling these drugs to seek help at any of USAFE’s mental health clinics.unquote

I have no battle with drugs MY BATTLE IS WITH IGNORANCE AND GREED I will fight on until........................

This is a sick joke that BLOWS my mind but its REAL.....Very disturbing is it just me this cycle seems to loop over and over............
I AM SICK OF IT. People dont like to think about disturbing truths but WE MUST CHANGE THESE THINGS!!

That requires thought of things unpleasant.

Embrace the Pain, Bite the Bullet, LETS CHANGE IT

When will we see?

Send people into the insanity of war and they self medicate to escape that is not surprising its a shame they have to be in a war huffing jet fuel.

War Pigs Black Sabbath
Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of deaths construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds, oh lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait till their judgement day comes, yeah!

Now in darkness, world stops turning
As the war machine keeps burning
No more war pigs of the power
Hand of God has sturck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees, the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings
All right now!



Its a sad war

PEACE
MV
 
SnozzleBerry said:
^^^^^what he said :x

I'm so sick of this fake cannabis bullshit. I know of two headshops where, every time i stick my nose in to take a look at local glass, the owners always rant and rave about how great these things are and how much they emulate weed and how stoned i'll be...

Fuck that shit :evil: , half the time I'm tempted to ask 'em if it'll get me more lifted than some beautiful homegrown ladies...sike
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Ehh, synthetic cannabinoids are at least worth researching.
 
Ehh, synthetic cannabinoids are at least worth researching.

or organic co conspirators BREAK OUT THE MANGO'S not sure about that one yet.:lol:

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This thread is drifting......off
maybe thats a good thing

I always enjoy a smile and joke after each serious comment.


PEACE
MV
 
Touche Guavera said:
Ehh, synthetic cannabinoids are at least worth researching.
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Sure, but spice IS NOT synthetic cannabinoids. While i'm personally not a fan of synthetics, and can count on my fingers the number of times i've used them, i'll agree, they do at least pose some interest/value to research and those who enjoy such substances...

HOWEVER, Spice is synthetic cannabinoids painted on to a mix of random vegetative matter which is then glued together to resemble buds. It's disgusting to even look at, I can't even imagine putting that shit into my body, there are all kinds of nasty chemicals in there. In fact, the packaging doesn't even tell you what the hell they use. It was only discovered to be a synthetic cannabinoid after Germany got curious, ran tests on them and found it to be CP-47497, a CB2 agonist, i think (benzyme correct me if i'm wrong). Who knows what other crap is in there in the form of "binding agents" or "preservatives".
 
^ JWH-018 was found to the the main active in Spice Gold and Spice Diamond.

The JWH series does have some gems in it, but I have yet to find anything that is as pleasant as some good MJ.
 
Acolon, didn't those come out after the initial ban on spice? I thought there was something along the lines of a ban on the original spice, so they switched the synthetic cannabinoid they were using and started releasing it again. One of the headshop owners i mentioned earlier was talking about how much better gold and diamond are compared to the original spice. I told him IMO, mother nature does it best, left it at that, went home and smoked a j of some OG Kush...lemme see some "spice" that can rival that high.
 
SnozzleBerry said:
Acolon, didn't those come out after the initial ban on spice? I thought there was something along the lines of a ban on the original spice, so they switched the synthetic cannabinoid they were using and started releasing it again. One of the headshop owners i mentioned earlier was talking about how much better gold and diamond are compared to the original spice. I told him IMO, mother nature does it best, left it at that, went home and smoked a j of some OG Kush...lemme see some "spice" that can rival that high.
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There never was a ban on Spice in the US. The company that made Spice refused to sell it in the US (smart). They didn't want their product to be analized and all the chems Scheduled.

US Customs claimed there was HU-210 in the Spice mix, a Schedule 1 (and non smokable) cannabinoid. I highly doubt there was, but they confiscated quite a shipment on those grounds.

A German company did an analysis on some legal smoking blends for the German Govn't so they could ban the specific chems in Spice. Their findings (which are somewhat controversial) were that JWH-018 was the main ingredient in Spice Gold, Genie, and Spice Diamond. I don’t' know if they tested other legal "smoke blends".

The CP cannabinoid may very well have been in the mix too, but it is not scheduled. I am not sure if they have changed their formula.

I no longer purchase Spice or any other legal herbal as I prefer to purchase the synthetic legal cannabinoids and smoke them with my own mix of legal herbs.

I will say that JWH-018 is powerful. It will lay you out quick, but it also has a nasty tendency to produce anxiety in larger doses.

JWH-073 is more like super high quality MJ. It has almost no body load, medium euphoria, and a very cerebral buzz. It is close, very close to good bud. However, it only lasts 1-3 hours.

I have yet to try JWH-200 but from research it is about as potent as THC. No idea on the quality of the experience.
 
Gotcha...

Additionally, wikipedia states that:

Wikipedia said:
On 20 April 2009, JWH-073 was claimed by researchers at the University of Freiburg to have been found in a "fertiliser" product called "Forest Humus", along with another synthetic cannabinoid C8 CP 47,497. These claims were confirmed in July 2009, when tests of Spice product seized after the legal ban on JWH-018 had gone into effect in Germany, were shown to contain the unregulated compound JWH-073 instead.
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Where/how did you fellas learn about all of this?

I've seen that "Spice" stuff for sale at 1 or 2 venders over time, but have never thought it was anything worthwhile, so I've never tried any.
Years ago I tried one of the "legal highs" from a local headshop & it was just some harsh, non-effective, dry-ass plant.
The only effect it gave was the harsh throat it left me with.

So that was the 1st & last time I tied one of those "legal high" blends.
Apparently there are a few that actually do something.


WS
 
^^ As an advocate for legalization of cannabis in the US, i search online news sources daily for "marijuana" and "cannabis". As a result of spice being compared to cannabis, it has popped up and through the news articles I was pointed in the right direction to do my own further research.

WS - I've seen some of the things you're talking about...They've got Damiana, mugwort, stevia, and a blend of other herbs in em to mimic cannabis. They're lame cuz they're shitty quality herbs. You can buy the same herbs online and make your own herbal smoking blend that'll beat the pants off the packaged shit, but still won't get you classically High/stoned.

I maintain that, even though the "spice" products "do something" they are a poor substitute for cannabis and have a variety of material I deem undesirable to put into my body (synthetic cannabinoids aside). I agree with acolon's actions, it's really not worth wasting the time/money. If you want an imitation weed high or just want to see what synthetic cannabinoids are like, buy some straight synthetic cannabinoids, they're generally unregulated/unscheduled (although, despite no prosecution yet in the us, I wonder if they'd try to get you with the analogue act? something worth thinking about.) so it's easy and legal (at the moment) to do so.
 
What exactly is a synthetic cannabinoid?

Is it a powder, or crystal, like an extract? Or is it a kind of plant?
Where does one get such a thing (link to suppliers section please)?
What does it cost?
Is there anyone who prefers this stuff over good 'ole fashion weed?


Just curious really...


WS
 
SnozzleBerry said:
If you want an imitation weed high or just want to see what synthetic cannabinoids are like, buy some straight synthetic cannabinoids, they're generally unregulated/unscheduled (although, despite no prosecution yet in the us, I wonder if they'd try to get you with the analogue act? something worth thinking about.) so it's easy and legal (at the moment) to do so.
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Fortunately the JWH series is not an analoge (per DEA definition of an analog) of any scheduled chem in the US, so until they ban one of the JWH series none of them are analogs.

I used to use Spice products when my wife and I quit smoking MJ for a while, so I did a lot of research on it during that time period.
 
WSaged said:
What exactly is a synthetic cannabinoid?

Is it a powder, or crystal, like an extract? Or is it a kind of plant?
Where does one get such a thing (link to suppliers section please)?
What does it cost?
Is there anyone who prefers this stuff over good 'ole fashion weed?
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Wikipedia Article on Cannabinoids said:
Historically, laboratory synthesis of cannabinoids were often based on the structure of herbal cannabinoids and a large number of analogs have been produced and tested, especially in a group led by Roger Adams as early as 1941 and later in a group led by Raphael Mechoulam. Newer compounds are no longer related to natural cannabinoids or are based on the structure of the endogenous cannabinoids.
Synthetic cannabinoids are particularly useful in experiments to determine the relationship between the structure and activity of cannabinoid compounds, by making systematic, incremental modifications of cannabinoid molecules.
Medications containing natural or synthetic cannabinoids or cannabinoid analogs:
Dronabinol (Marinol), is Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), used as an appetite stimulant, anti-emetic and analgesic.
Nabilone (Cesamet), a synthetic cannabinoid and an analog of Marinol. It is Schedule II unlike Marinol which is Schedule III.
Sativex, a cannabinoid extract oral spray containing THC, CBD, and other cannabinoids used for neuropathic pain and spasticity in Canada and Spain. Sativex develops whole plant cannabinoid medicines.
Rimonabant (SR141716), a selective cannabinoid (CB1) receptor antagonist used as an anti-obesity drug under the proprietary name, Acomplia. It is also used for smoking cessation.
Other notable synthetic cannabinoids include:
CP-55940, produced in 1974, this synthetic cannabinoid receptor agonist is many times more potent than THC
Dimethylheptylpyran
HU-210, about 100 times as potent as THC[27].\
HU-331 a potential anti-cancer drug derived from cannabidiol that specifically inhibits topoisomerase II.
SR144528, a CB2 receptor antagonists
WIN 55,212-2, a potent cannabinoid receptor agonist
JWH-133, a potent selective CB2 receptor agonist.
Levonantradol (Nantrodolum), an anti-emetic and analgesic but not currently in use in medicine.
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I dunno if there's any talk in the supplier thread, but you can google the specific cannabinoid and you'll get results in google shopping. They're relatively inexpensive, once again, google shopping will give you a good idea on that.

I have not heard of anyone substituting synthetic cannabinoids for weed long-term, more the kind of thing acolon mentioned. It's the same with Marinol, synthetic cannabinoids lack the holistic properties of the plants. They've found Marinol, across the board, to be less effective than actual cannabis for treating just about anything because even the mildly psychoactive cannabinoids contain unique properties and healing/psychoactive powers.

I know at this point i'm probably overstating it, but I'll say it again: I have yet to see humans outdo mother nature in the cannabis arena. Even when comparing indoor to outdoor grown cannabis that's properly maintained and cared for, Outdoor cannabis will always trump indoor cannabis. Indoor cannabis may look prettier, have nicer bud structures or trichome formations, but as for the high, mother nature knows whats up.
 
dread said:
Aren't the JWH chemicals possibly carcinogenic?
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quite the contrary! current research actually points on the other direction. I can't link to other forums, but if you search, you will find that at least JWH-018 is basically harmless, having passed a huge battery of tests.

As a personal note I found several of these products quite, quite remarkable. Not particularly Spice, specially Spice Diamond which leaves me totally prostrated for a very large number of hours. Just a pinch is enough to send me into "mongyland" for 4-5 hours, and even after I wake up I'm still floating over my feet. Other brands more based on JWH-018 (I know for I've tried "the real deal" in powder form) are exceptional. This substance can be amazing with just a tiny bit. 2-3mg of pure JWH-018 are enough to catapult me into the most intense experiences I've ever had on cannabinoids and very pleasant, full of incredible insights.

I've given these blends to several friends who have turned from skeptics to believers. Some of them have even quit MJ altogether and just use these legal blends. In my region all of this is legal, and as far as anyone can tell there is not an immediate danger of it becoming illegal
 
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