I don't know why people choose to smoke the dried leaves. While potent, it’s such an inferior experience to what can be had by using a quid of freshly picked leaves...
I do, its easier...
Plus, most people do not have the patience or focus to deal with a giant mouth
full of strongly
bitter tasting leaves that then causes a flood of saliva that fills your mouth to
overflowing, this is not a desirable entry point for a lot of people. I mean, you've got to
chew on & hold that giant pile of fibers (15-to-30
large leaves!) in your mouth for a good 30-45 minutes for the full effects!
BTW, I
100% agree with you that Quiding with Salvia gives a totally different
& much more desierable effect than smoking the dried leaves does!!
Quiding seems like the "correct" way to consume Salvia,
for me anyway.
I've always compared smoked Salvia to being strapped to the hood of a truck, while speeding through a dark, psychedelic forest in the cold & rain!!
The branches & leaves are coming at you way too fast to make any sense of it & they are smacking & poking at you with no consent or control to be found!!
Interesting & something that one does not forget very soon.
But desirable? No,
at least not for me...
The other negative effect that I used to get from
smoked Salvia
but not a quid, is the
amnesia & forgetting that you have just taken a drug that put you in this state of mind.
Most times when I've smoked a full-on dose of dried Salvia leaves, I reach a point where I don't know
who I am, or
where I am, or
how I got there, or
when I got there etc... Then comes the panic!
The last time I
smoked Salvia (
around 2 yrs ago I think) I became "trapped" between 2 full-on realities!!
On the one side, I was reliving a totally enveloping & realistic, everyday life experience from my childhood.
On the other side, was a recent memory of my life as it is now!!
I was
seeing/feeling/smelling/thinking/touching/living, both of them in detail,
simultaneously but from a
third position, outside of both the old & now realities!!
This was very unsettling at first & eventually became
terrifying because both of these "realities" had a past, present & future that I could remember
in detail! All of the plans & memories, promises, appointments & other responsibilities I had to deal with in both of them, where all there.
I had no idea how to figure out which one was the "
correct" one to return to!!
Or for that matter, if either of them was the "
correct" one!!
After all, I also could not remember taking any drug to put me in this place,
outside of time. And who was I, where am I, & whats this "I" anyway etc...
When I get into a tense situation on most psychedelic chems, I am able to remind myself that "
this is a temporary effect of the substance I put into my body & if I just sit back & observe it, rather than trying to change it or make it stop, it will eventually run its course & change by itself".
Then I am able to watch the effects, rather than being caught up in them!
With smoked Salvia, I don't have that ability because I rarely remember that I'm just experiencing the effects of the Salvia that I smoked!! Much less remember who I am...
Then there is the physical,
cold-sweaty feeling.
No thanks!
Using a quid instead, makes for almost the opposite kind of effects! Mellow, slow & beautiful!!
have any of my family heard of Daniel Siebert or sagewisdom.org? while the man is certainly not going to win any congeniality contest (getting anything more than a one sentence response to a query....good luck), he does seem to know his shtuff concerning the plant. that being said, most of his sales via his website are dried leaves or something he calls "sage goddess emerald essence" tincture. any Swimmer tried this?
If I remember correctly (
& I may not...), Daniel was the first to identify & isolate the active chems from the Salvia Divinorum leaf,
Salvinorin A&B.
Before then, they knew Salvia Div. was active, but didn't understand how/why because it did not consist of the normal psychedelic compounds like the Tryptamine in DMT etc...
He was also one of the bigger pioneers & proponents of vaporizing (smoking) Salvia & is
one of the people responsible for Salvia extracts becoming somewhat more available & therefor more popular among "heads" in the last 3-to-5 years.
That being said, His on-line Salvia store is waaaaay over priced and there is
nothing out of the ordinary about the products he sells!! Unless you consider buying things from
semi-famous people to be worth more money...
I've tried his plain leaf, his "extra-strength" extract & the "Emerald Essence" tincture.
Nothing to write home about. Or to
re-order, as the case may be!
His leaf & extracts are just that, leaf & extracts. Just like every other leaf & extract you can get online for 1/2 the price.
As far as the "Sage Goddess Emerald Essence" tincture is concerned, it was one of the weakest & worst tasting tinctures I tried!! At the same time, it was one of the most expensive too!!:roll:
I only speak from experience here, around a year & a 1/2 ago I tried every tincture I could find online (
except Ebay), there where around 10 of them, ranging in prices from cheap to expensive.
Most were
complete crap & a total waste of money & time!!!
There was only
one that stuck out from the crowd & I reordered more of. Unfortunately, that one is no longer sold to the USA.
(If you are not in the USA, PM me if you'd like a link to this
"Elixir"...)
Other than that one commercial tincture (
or Elixir, as it were) only home made tincture's have ever been worth the pain in the mouth that results from taking enough to get full-on effects!!
Making a DIY tincture is really quite easy & can be made
much stronger than anything you can buy online!!
...just my 2 cents,
WS
