Stop using DMT

[the-flying-d]

Hi @all,

I'm fairly new to the spice and I experienced already a lot in hyperspace. Nevertheless until now, no real breakthrough.
However, I've heard and noticed, that a lot of explorers suddenly stop using it.
Of cause I know, that over time every "toy" is getting boring, even with all these possibilities of the spice.
Or sometimes it might also be just too much, what is happening on the journey, that people are (understandably) scared of it.

But are there other reasons?

best regards

the-flying-d

 

[deadseascrolls]

I believe correct use leads to timely unrestricted usage when the potential is not decreasing, but rather increasing. It usually demands acceptance of negative experiences and ability to listen to our higher self.

What is the basis for this belief though? It seems like a very loose psychology that posits in advance that one requires endless sessions (much like regular psychology) because one has defects, darkness, that has to be resolved.. what is the basis for that, where is the end point?

To me that approach is the one motivated by lust and not self-development. If it's not, then where are all the super healthy humans, enlightened individuals etc, within the psychonaut community?

They are all locked up in mental institutions or dead or faked ntheir own deaths to escape the long eye of the law.

I hate to speak for someone else (sake) but I'm going to interpret what pete666 said meant to me. Okinawa hear it ghost:

Smoking Dimitri can sometimes be eerily similar to reading a James Patterson novel. You get about two paragraphs per chapter and you don't bother caring how many there are at the end because the littles glyphs of chapters that seemed disjointed or wholey unrelated to begin with, near the end can be perceived as a whole image, instead of a sequential this and happened and then this and then therefore this. You don't learn math first you learn the language it is spoken in. Video games don't get easier the higher you ascend levels. Some information is impractically hard to explain, and that is what it truly means to know something. To think of a solution to a problem, you have to have a clear understanding of said problem.

To quote The Red Hot Chilly Peppers, : can't stop the spirits when they need you.
To me the Alan Watt's quote means: integrate your experience before taking another call. Otherwise you may find yourself on hold or getting shocks from imprudence. Gi e

 

[SpaceGandalf]

It seemed to me from the start the Hang Up The Phone metaphore is not really for users like us, and if I understand correctly Alan Watts smoked DMT only once, so it would make sense that he say that.

I really dont get that. If I had smoked DMT just once or twice I would know nothing about it, I would have missed all the best most unforgetable trips, I would not know the depth of it, the extense and scope. It seems to me the first dose or two you realize "Oh my god, the implications of this!" And that is just the start. And that when you stop when you think youve sort of seen what its capable, what its all about; an enigma wraped in an enigma wraped in a pardox!

In any case this whole persuit, much like the persuit of art and education, is based on curiosity and other, deeper and intangible things which are hard to put a word on.

I would state a few issues. Amongst long time users of DMT (as well as other psychedelics) there is a frequent reporting of the “endless rabbit hole” effect; which is to say that when seeking some “answer” they find that they are only provided with more questions and the further they go down that path, the more they feel like they are chasing something they will never actually be able to catch.

A lot of comments here suggest a concern about regular use being indicative of an abusive relationship with the substance. I think there is a widespread belief within the community that dmt shouldn’t be used “recreationally” and that it deserves more respect. Certainly orally active ayahuasca is very hard to imagine as being used “recreationally” (although I would point out that people do some strange things for “fun” like running marathon distances), smoked dmt is a very different beast though and it is not implausible for that an unhealthy relationship with the substance could be formed.

As I stated previously the eleusinian mystery was a once in a lifetime event for participants. Perhaps the belief was that to see beyond the veil once was enough and that to make our way through this life present in this world is more important than constantly returning to the other side, which might detract from full engagement with this life (it is likely that they believed regular submersion through psychedelics would make the experience become “mundane”)

A very interesting take on all this is the archaic Jewish psychedelic tradition. Not only was it reserved for initiates of the priesthood, who would get to undertake it was decided by the drawing of lots - suggesting that there was a need to mitigate the desire to participate.

While it’s fully right to consider dmt (and other psychedelics) both medicinal and spiritual, I think it’s important to be mindful that we humans are capable of turning ANYTHING into an unhealthy addiction.

 

[the-flying-d]

I'm actually overwhelmed by all these answers ... didn't expected this, eventhough I was reading in this forum for some time..

thank you very much