Stories of gods/DMT release theory

[TrustLoveMan]

I have this theory that ancient gods of Egypt and before are connected to endogenous DMT experiences. I for one, believe that it is DMT that is released at the time of death or impending death. Many people see gods and hieroglyphics on DMT. Back when people didn't always know if they were going to have enough food and they thought anything could kill them at any time, life was extremely stressful. Amazing amounts of stress could possibly trigger a DMT release.

This may be why people back then saw gods and people today don't. This is a major talking point in religion on why god doesn't show himself today. Maybe we are too content in life to see beauty inside our own minds. People have near death experiences and see heaven. I bet back then, almost anything traumatizing, that they didn't understand, would have them thinking they're about to die. And that knowledge of impending doom could have caused them to release this spirit molecule.

 

[StrangeLoop]

Quite possible. Another related theory was put forth by Aldous Huxley in Heaven and Hell. He said that in previous times, our diet was not so well rounded and was definitely not consistent throughout the year. Deficiencies in vitamins, particular nicotinamide (I think that's the one) which is known to suppress psychedelic trips, would have caused people to have various levels of visionary experience. Self inflicted harm, through fasting or even flagellation, also caused heightened visionary states. When you think about the involuntary fast of winter, followed by the voluntary fast of Lent back in the Middle Ages, this explains the amounts of ecstasy and religious visions of angels/demons that were common around Easter time, the time of year with the most religious excitement.

I don't think Aldous Huxley knew about DMT but he believed the visionary experience to be a natural part of consciousness that was normally filtered about by the brain's reducing valve. Changes in diet (or administration of drugs) could override this filter and cause things to leak into consciousness that normally wouldn't be experienced.

 

[HipHopHed]

Interesting theory. If i may add to it, its also possible that people were unknowingly ingesting any number of plants that have some hallucinatory properties. That coupled with stress, and hunger could produce some intense experiences. I, for one, believe that humans believing in some kind of higher power or energy is just hard wired into us tho.

 

[jamie]

maybe but I dont know..mushrooms were always widely available and all those experiences can be had with psilocin as well..plus they had access to rue and acacias, they could have done all sorts of things like alcohol extracts of acacia they were smoking and brews with rue..

"This may be why people back then saw gods and people today don't. This is a major talking point in religion on why god doesn't show himself today"

Ok, Im not sure about this..you think that endogenous experiences are responciple for eqyptian beliefs, but thnyou say that is why people today dont see gods..ok but why? what makes us soo different, to the point that we dont have endogenous DMT experiences? That theory the way you put it forth has holes in it.

I will say that I have had endogenous DMT LIKE experiences..they were definatily tryptamine like, but not exactly like DMT and psilocin..always in the middle of the night, but while semi awake..even so I am nearly convinced that the egyptains were using psychedelics.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I for one, believe that it is DMT that is released at the time of death or impending death...Amazing amounts of stress could possibly trigger a DMT release.

Why? How? I get that this is a theory, but I'm curious if you have theorized mechanisms for this or if it "just happens". There's clearly a lot going on with dmt and I feel that theories that are able to unify physiological models of what's happening with spiritual/psychological/other models will help create a holistic understanding of what's happening.

 

[jamie]

"This is a major talking point in religion on why god doesn't show himself today"

What do you mean by that? Im confused..what do you mean by HIM? and if "he" does not show himself to us today, than how do you know he is a "he"?..also, how does god "show himself"? To me you either see it or you dont..there is no him or her..and god neither hides or shows itself..DMT or no DMT..it just is.

BTW, not trying to pick your post apart here, just trying to get you to think a bit more about it and try to clarify some things.

 

[TrustLoveMan]

I don't think Aldous Huxley knew about DMT but he believed the visionary experience to be a natural part of consciousness that was normally filtered about by the brain's reducing valve. Changes in diet (or administration of drugs) could override this filter and cause things to leak into consciousness that normally wouldn't be experienced.

That's really cool. I think I'm going to read heaven and hell.

"This may be why people back then saw gods and people today don't. This is a major talking point in religion on why god doesn't show himself today"

Ok, Im not sure about this..you think that endogenous experiences are responciple for eqyptian beliefs, but thnyou say that is why people today dont see gods..ok but why? what makes us soo different, to the point that we dont have endogenous DMT experiences? That theory the way you put it forth has holes in it.

I will say that I have had endogenous DMT LIKE experiences..they were definatily tryptamine like, but not exactly like DMT and psilocin..always in the middle of the night, but while semi awake..even so I am nearly convinced that the egyptains were using psychedelics.

What makes us different is we have a society that inflates our ego and makes us comfortable. Back then if you broke your arm, you cannot farm, no food, no money, your dead. Things like that.
I was also just putting our a couple theories at once. I said they could have been having an endogenous DMT trip and that's what they thought a god was. People today aren't as stressed or helpless. It's just a thought.
I have had one endogenous experience I was awake in the morning and looking at my eyelids and I saw faint lines that formed a 3d object in color. The whole time I was like wtf and moving on my bed, I'm sure I was awake.

I for one, believe that it is DMT that is released at the time of death or impending death...Amazing amounts of stress could possibly trigger a DMT release.

Why? How? I get that this is a theory, but I'm curious if you have theorized mechanisms for this or if it "just happens". There's clearly a lot going on with dmt and I feel that theories that are able to unify physiological models of what's happening with spiritual/psychological/other models will help create a holistic understanding of what's happening.

I believe that because I've read of Near death experience reports and they are similar to DMT experiences. I also believe that we trip inside the womb, basically because I remembered tripping in the womb on DMT. Also, many people have night terrors and this can cause alien abductions and also people have them just sleeping. I think this is a reaction of the brain thinking it's going down. I've read a couple bad trips that involved aliens. I think there is a mechanics to the universe but we are too small to understand it. We can't comprehend what's outside our universe.

"This is a major talking point in religion on why god doesn't show himself today"

What do you mean by that? Im confused..what do you mean by HIM? and if "he" does not show himself to us today, than how do you know he is a "he"?..also, how does god "show himself"? To me you either see it or you dont..there is no him or her..and god neither hides or shows itself..DMT or no DMT..it just is.

BTW, not trying to pick your post apart here, just trying to get you to think a bit more about it and try to clarify some things.

It's cool, I'm liking the discussion. I was kind of referring to muslim/jewish/christian beliefs in a one god scenario. I don't think "he" exists, I just think we are a part of something larger than ourselfs and we are all connected on a physical and metaphysical plane. I think we are god. All of us and the universe is one energy so we can somehow tap into that. But I'll update my beliefs based on psychedelic epiphanies.

 

[jamie]

Ive had sleep paralysis and "night terros"(i guess anyway, they tend to call these things night terrors) my entire life and they are NOTHING like DMT..totally different, weird in their own respect though..also I have had many many natural lucid dreams and astral projection type experiences and they are usually unlike DMT as well..more in line with what I read in reguards to ketamine and what I have experienced with caapi only brews..

 

[TrustLoveMan]

Ive had sleep paralysis and "night terros"(i guess anyway, they tend to call these things night terrors) my entire life and they are NOTHING like DMT..totally different, weird in their own respect though..also I have had many many natural lucid dreams and astral projection type experiences and they are usually unlike DMT as well..more in line with what I read in reguards to ketamine and what I have experienced with caapi only brews..

I just recently had a lucid dream after doing DMT. It was much different than the DMT though. In dreams I often think I'm drunk though and I stumble around. Or I think I'm really high and drunk and on bars and I'm like "I don't know what I took but I'm fucked up". That's pretty funny to me.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I for one, believe that it is DMT that is released at the time of death or impending death...Amazing amounts of stress could possibly trigger a DMT release.

Why? How? I get that this is a theory, but I'm curious if you have theorized mechanisms for this or if it "just happens". There's clearly a lot going on with dmt and I feel that theories that are able to unify physiological models of what's happening with spiritual/psychological/other models will help create a holistic understanding of what's happening.

I believe that because I've read of Near death experience reports and they are similar to DMT experiences. I also believe that we trip inside the womb, basically because I remembered tripping in the womb on DMT. Also, many people have night terrors and this can cause alien abductions and also people have them just sleeping. I think this is a reaction of the brain thinking it's going down. I've read a couple bad trips that involved aliens. I think there is a mechanics to the universe but we are too small to understand it. We can't comprehend what's outside our universe.

See, but this doesn't answer anything I was asking. Allow me to clarify; Is there a physiological route through which you believe this happens (i.e. can you show papers or research showing cause for your belief that DMT is released at death or research showing or allowing you to extrapolate a mechanism of action in the human body for releasing DMT in times of stress) or is it just a "gut feeling" you have that you are calling a "hypothesis"?

 

[TrustLoveMan]

It's a gut feeling founded on DMT trips. I'm no scientist. I don't KNOW anything..

 

[gibran2]

It's a gut feeling founded on DMT trips. I'm no scientist. I don't KNOW anything..

When it comes to DMT, none of us truly knows anything.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

For the subjective parts of what's going on, I completely agree. But, if stress could trigger a dmt release, there would need to be a mechanism for this to happen. I was wondering if you'd come across something to support that, is all. I know after my first experiences, I tried to get my hands on any piece of scientific dmt-related literature I could find.

And yea, what gibran2 said...

 

[StrangeLoop]

I actually don't think high levels of stress would release DMT, in fact that just seems ridiculous. A high amount of stress would release adrenalin and norepinephrine, making you very lucid and fighting for survival. Releasing a large amount of DMT seems like it would be detrimental to survival and weeded out evolutionarily.

I am still interested in endogenous DMT being involved in the mystical experience, particularly of the ancients. But it's also just as likely that the mystical experience is something the mind is already capable of, DMT just being a shortcut to reach that level by tinkering with the hardware that causes it instead of working with the software (ie meditation/religious practice)

 

[TrustLoveMan]

For the subjective parts of what's going on, I completely agree. But, if stress could trigger a dmt release, there would need to be a mechanism for this to happen. I was wondering if you'd come across something to support that, is all. I know after my first experiences, I tried to get my hands on any piece of scientific dmt-related literature I could find.

And yea, what gibran2 said...

I have read of stress being linked to DMT release but I'll have to look it up to remember. I think there are other chemicals that may play a role as well though. The pineal gland has a lot of other cool stuff inside it. I'll have to look up some research on that as well.

 

[Saidin]

This may be why people back then saw gods and people today don't. This is a major talking point in religion on why god doesn't show himself today. Maybe we are too content in life to see beauty inside our own minds. People have near death experiences and see heaven. I bet back then, almost anything traumatizing, that they didn't understand, would have them thinking they're about to die. And that knowledge of impending doom could have caused them to release this spirit molecule.

You can see God at any moment of any day if you choose to look. People back then saw God because they realized that the divine spark lies within each of us, and every time you greet another, you are meeting a reflection of yourself, the divine.

Namaste

 

[benzyme]

I have read of stress being linked to DMT release but I'll have to look it up to remember. I think there are other chemicals that may play a role as well though. The pineal gland has a lot of other cool stuff inside it.

now that may be, but the pineal gland has little to do with stress. it's more involved with circadian rhythms

and dmt isn't exactly released. dmt is synthesized, by a pathway that has been radioassayed in a 1972 study.
like snozz, i look at the research done, and pay less attention to new-age theories lumped together.
and near-death experiences have been systematically replicated in a scientific setting.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I have read of stress being linked to DMT release but I'll have to look it up to remember. I think there are other chemicals that may play a role as well though. The pineal gland has a lot of other cool stuff inside it.

now that may be, but the pineal gland has little to do with stress.

and, unless something has changed, little to do with endogenous dmt synthesis as it is lacking a necessary enzyme.

 

[Avatar in Oz]

hi there ,i think your way of track sorry,the ancients like the egyptians would have had more nutritional food then us many species of vegetables would have been taken from us over time.also they used to take dmt for spiritual journeys.i think its like this us taking dmt is like flying a spaceship with out looking at the manual i think back then they had the manual they knew what they were doing with this stuff we do not we are just discovering it.the knowledge was lost thoiusands of years ago,

i highly recomend you watch the pyramid code on you tube all 25vids
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cheers

 

[MooshyPeaches]

To see god you only need to look in the mirror

For sure the ancients had information that we lack today. Lost information, cycles of the universe, who knows. Maybe even the existence of people back then was dramatically different, even biologically, than we are today. Or reality itself didn't exist quite like this, were just looking back in the past and seeing it through our expectations based off of how we are today. We seem to know so much *now* about how everything is and always has been and how it all came about/works, but honestly we contain such little knowledge of the nature of reality and ourselves its dumbfounding. Especially the important information which can exist outside of objective/ scientific reasoning.

Also its very possible we know practically nothing of our existence and can only come to our own beliefs/ lack of beliefs and conclusions. bwhahahahaha.

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